Military Strikes on Iran Imminent

[baltimorened]

No - I’ve been against the war from the beginning and it’s become clear that Trump had no clear rationale for committing American lives and billions of dollars to this war..

So now that the stock/bond markets and economic outlooks are declining, he’s scrambling for a way to exit this pointless war and declare a Pyrrhic victory.

How is America better off after this war?

No one can predict how the war will end, so no one can predict how America will be better off after. But, If the past is any indication, before the revolution in 1979, Iran was a stellar ally if the US in the middle east.

Without this government we likely will see curtailment of the funding of proxies like the houthis, hezbolla, Hamas. Our forces in the mideast will be safer, and maybe we can bring them home. We won't have to be as concerned about Iran's proxies killing Americans.
Oil will flow more freely worldwide. The entire mideast will be more stable - according to mideast experts.

With all due respect, very few people have an exact idea of what Trump is thinking right now, I don't believe you're one of them. You can have an opinion, all of us do, but you can't possibly know what he's "scrambling" to do. This 5 day thing might just be a way to buy time in order to get the Marines in place for a ground incursion

 

[dpic73]

I think he's pointing out that it seems as if once again, Trump made an ill considered decision and is panicking when it is hurting his poll numbers and his personal finances.

This was a dumb war, that the Administration still hasn't presented a consistent and reasoned explanation for why it was necessary. It's even more shocking considering all of the attacks that Trump lodged against former presidents who went to war in the Middle East. He is literally doing the opposite of what he claimed in campaign speeches during the last election.

 

[baltimorened]

@depic73 any chance this guy is just voicing his opinion as a hobby, or you think he's making money too?

Who is this person, fine human being I'm sure, but just where is he getting his classified information from?

 

[dpic73]

@depic73 any chance this guy is just voicing his opinion as a hobby, or you think he's making money too?

Who is this person, fine human being I'm sure, but just where is he getting his classified information from?

He's literally repeating the talking points coming from our Con-mander in Chief

James O'Brien is an award-winning British journalist and LBC radio presenter known for his outspoken, challenging interviewing style. He hosts popular podcasts focusing on UK politics, social issues, and media, including "Full Disclosure" (interviews) and "James O’Brien Daily/The Whole Show" (catch-up from his live LBC phone-in show).

 

[baltimorened]

He's literally repeating the talking points coming from our Con-mander in Chief

James O'Brien is an award-winning British journalist and LBC radio presenter known for his outspoken, challenging interviewing style. He hosts popular podcasts focusing on UK politics, social issues, and media, including "Full Disclosure" (interviews) and "James O’Brien Daily/The Whole Show" (catch-up from his live LBC phone-in show).

I hear you, but he appeals to a specific audience...and I'd wager he's making a lot of money from people who agree with his perspective.

Also, he seems to put his emphasis on what is said...but we've already come to the conclusion that you can't trust what our con mander in chief says...so is trump now saying all that is truthful or is he putting out information he wants you to hear? I don't know, and I'd submit, neither does Mr Obrien.

My point, don't believe all someone on the outside of the knowledge and decision making is saying.

 

[dpic73]

I hear you, but he appeals to a specific audience...and I'd wager he's making a lot of money from people who agree with his perspective.

Also, he seems to put his emphasis on what is said...but we've already come to the conclusion that you can't trust what our con mander in chief says...so is trump now saying all that is truthful or is he putting out information he wants you to hear? I don't know, and I'd submit, neither does Mr Obrien.

My point, don't believe all someone on the outside of the knowledge and decision making is saying.

Yeah well, lots of people are saying the same thing, including members of his own family.

 

[tigres88]

I hear you, but he appeals to a specific audience...and I'd wager he's making a lot of money from people who agree with his perspective.

Also, he seems to put his emphasis on what is said...but we've already come to the conclusion that you can't trust what our con mander in chief says...so is trump now saying all that is truthful or is he putting out information he wants you to hear? I don't know, and I'd submit, neither does Mr Obrien.

My point, don't believe all someone on the outside of the knowledge and decision making is saying.

This energy would be great if you ever applied it to your right leaning brethren on this site- I appreciate ya Ned, but if we're talking posting propaganda, anecdotal evidence, or talking points that are inherently biased, the right/MAGA's on this board beat the liberals on this board by a mile.

 

[fatpiggy]

Sounds like that's a wrap fellas.

Spoiler

its a joke before dpic gets his panties in a wad.

 

[baltimorened]

Yeah well, lots of people are saying the same thing, including members of his own family.

she forgot we don't need help...why aren't they helping?

 

[fatpiggy]

 

[fatpiggy]

 

[nytigerfan]

I hear you, but he appeals to a specific audience...and I'd wager he's making a lot of money from people who agree with his perspective.

Also, he seems to put his emphasis on what is said...but we've already come to the conclusion that you can't trust what our con mander in chief says...so is trump now saying all that is truthful or is he putting out information he wants you to hear? I don't know, and I'd submit, neither does Mr Obrien.

My point, don't believe all someone on the outside of the knowledge and decision making is saying.

Come on Ned, come on. It doesn't matter who this guy's audience is. He's accurately stating what we've all heard with our own ******* ears. Trump and his minions have been all over the place on this war, from objectives to results to what's going to happen, what's not going to happen. What they say they knew about versus what they do then say they didn't know about. Trump himself has been all over the place. Come on, man.

 

[fatpiggy]

 

[baltimorened]

Come on Ned, come on. It doesn't matter who this guy's audience is. He's accurately stating what we've all heard with our own ******* ears. Trump and his minions have been all over the place on this war, from objectives to results to what's going to happen, what's not going to happen. What they say they knew about versus what they do then say they didn't know about. Trump himself has been all over the place. Come on, man.

Oh, I don't disagree that Trump has been all over the place. trump is always all over the place....$2000 tariff bonus, no tax on social security, we'll provide insurance for tankers....he has no filter. He says what's on his mind...we don't need help from allies, what aren't allies helping. Is this time different?

You guys talk often about you can't believe anything that comes out of his mouth and then when he says something and it doesn't happen you (generic you) get upset about something he says when you didn't believe it in the first place. . I just have a hard time getting upset or worked up over his words. For example do you believe that Iran leadership has agreed to "no nuclear weapons ever"? First of all who is "Iran" we don't even know who's in charge and second, never is a long long, long time. So, I don't believe him and I do believe him..but I'm in a "trust but verify" mode.

Trump has his ways. I listen to @LafayetteBear when he says Trump has been like this forever. He's not going to change at this stage of his life. So pointing out inconsistencies in what he says, or what he says not happening is the way for the next 2 1/2 years. Serenity now!!!

 

[yoshi121374]

Oh, I don't disagree that Trump has been all over the place. trump is always all over the place....$2000 tariff bonus, no tax on social security, we'll provide insurance for tankers....he has no filter. He says what's on his mind...we don't need help from allies, what aren't allies helping. Is this time different?

You guys talk often about you can't believe anything that comes out of his mouth and then when he says something and it doesn't happen you (generic you) get upset about something he says when you didn't believe it in the first place. . I just have a hard time getting upset or worked up over his words. For example do you believe that Iran leadership has agreed to "no nuclear weapons ever"? First of all who is "Iran" we don't even know who's in charge and second, never is a long long, long time. So, I don't believe him and I do believe him..but I'm in a "trust but verify" mode.

Trump has his ways. I listen to @LafayetteBear when he says Trump has been like this forever. He's not going to change at this stage of his life. So pointing out inconsistencies in what he says, or what he says not happening is the way for the next 2 1/2 years. Serenity now!!!

So we should all be just fine with our president being a lying conman since that's who he always had been is what you are saying?

We shouldn't believe anything that the President of the US says because everyone knows he isn't truthful?

At what point should we hold him accountable for his words?

 

[baltimorened]

So we should all be just fine with our president being a lying conman since that's who he always had been is what you are saying?

We shouldn't believe anything that the President of the US says because everyone knows he isn't truthful?

At what point should we hold him accountable for his words?

well, hold him accountable..I certainly wouldn't stand in the way...

 

[firegiver]

A lot of what is interesting in these negotiations is that Western influencers, Trump and the media keep saying: Talks are happening, while on the Iranian side, they've said repeatedly. There are no direct negotiations. Iran will not forefit their ballistic missle capability as a part of the ceasefire. thats a non starter for example.

 

[fatpiggy]

A lot of what is interesting in these negotiations is that Western influencers, Trump and the media keep saying: Talks are happening, while on the Iranian side, they've said repeatedly. There are no direct negotiations. Iran will not forefit their ballistic missle capability as a part of the ceasefire. thats a non starter for example.

Yeah

Trump either lied or masterfully sowed doubt in the Iranian leadership, or both. Who was he talking to? It appears now that there were talks, so maybe he wasn’t lying. Iranian regime is scared and in chaos. No one wants to step up because they know they will be killed if they are loyal to the old regime.

 

[dpic73]

Trump declares Iran war ‘won’ as Tehran denies claims of peace talk progress​

The president said that peace negotiations with representatives from Iran were ongoing: “They want to make a deal so badly.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2026/03/24/us-iran-peace-talks-pakistan-turkey-egypt/

 

[baltimorened]

A lot of what is interesting in these negotiations is that Western influencers, Trump and the media keep saying: Talks are happening, while on the Iranian side, they've said repeatedly. There are no direct negotiations. Iran will not forefit their ballistic missle capability as a part of the ceasefire. thats a non starter for example.

according to new reports this evening Iran has admitted that talks are happening. But maybe they're lying and trump is lying with means talks really are happening

But I have no idea. Christiane Amanpour wouldn't lead us astray. Would she??

 

[ANEW]

But I have no idea. Christiane Amanpour wouldn't lead us astray. Would she??

The modern, "war *****". Making a living off conflict/war/death. I remember in afghan in 2003 we got rumor that she might be coming (to our location) and we started planning an op so we could maybe avoid having to host her. It ended up not being necessisary, Then we heard of *****, then senator, clinton coming to afghanistan looking for a photo op. Yeah, on that, we decided an extended combat patrol was better than being around for a photo op with her ***.

 

[TigerGrowls]

January 17, 2016, Obama sent $400 MILLION in cash stacked on wooden pallets in the back of an unmarked cargo plane to the hostile foreign nation of Iran. This was only the first installment of a $1.7 BILLION total.

Most of this money went to terrorist organizations including ISIS which former CIA Director John Brennan and Obama had a large hand in the creation of. Obama literally funded terrorists, and he knew it.

There is nothing normal about a U.S. president sending cash to a hostile foreign nation. America was played. Imagine if President Trump sent cash on pallets in the back of an unmarked cargo plane to Iran that funded terrorism directly against the United States and other countries?

 

[UrHuckleberry]

January 17, 2016, Obama sent $400 MILLION in cash stacked on wooden pallets in the back of an unmarked cargo plane to the hostile foreign nation of Iran. This was only the first installment of a $1.7 BILLION total.

Most of this money went to terrorist organizations including ISIS which former CIA Director John Brennan and Obama had a large hand in the creation of. Obama literally funded terrorists, and he knew it.

There is nothing normal about a U.S. president sending cash to a hostile foreign nation. America was played. Imagine if President Trump sent cash on pallets in the back of an unmarked cargo plane to Iran that funded terrorism directly against the United States and other countries?

So instead, DJT is sending them 14B? I guess due to Biden’s inflation?

 

[fatpiggy]

So instead, DJT is sending them 14B? I guess due to Biden’s inflation?

He sent a bomb up their *** too.

 

[TigerGrowls]

So instead, DJT is sending them 14B? I guess due to Biden’s inflation?

??? No idea what you are referencing.

 

[UrHuckleberry]

??? No idea what you are referencing.

Not terribly shocking your news sources haven't shared this with you, though I think it's been mentioned in this thread a number of times:

Why Are We Injecting $14 Billion into Iran’s War Effort . . . Against Us? | National Review

This is the opposite of maximum pressure.

www.nationalreview.com

 

[TigerGrowls]

Not terribly shocking your news sources haven't shared this with you, though I think it's been mentioned in this thread a number of times:

Why Are We Injecting $14 Billion into Iran’s War Effort . . . Against Us? | National Review

This is the opposite of maximum pressure.

www.nationalreview.com

Ok. Think about this Huck. Trump is doing this for the same reason he lifted sanctions on some Russian oil for now and it's to increase supply and try to help on prices. Very obvious.

Now think again. Iran's military has been mostly destroyed. This money will just eventually be used for the rebuild. You libs and haters tickle me though with the attempts to criticize Trump in any and every way possible.

This is another non story.

 

[UrHuckleberry]

Ok. Think about this Huck. Trump is doing this for the same reason he lifted sanctions on some Russian oil for now and it's to increase supply and try to help on prices. Very obvious.

Now think again. Iran's military has been mostly destroyed. This money will just eventually be used for the rebuild. You libs and haters tickle me though with the attempts to criticize Trump in any and every way possible.

This is another non story.

So there are reasons that would make sense to release sanctions on Iran, giving them billions in cash, that would make sense and not equal Trump just giving them cash?

The cognitive dissonance here is wild man.

 

[TigerGrowls]

So there are reasons that would make sense to release sanctions on Iran, giving them billions in cash, that would make sense and not equal Trump just giving them cash?

The cognitive dissonance here is wild man.

To say Trump is giving them cash is totally false. Cognitive dissonance from you and the loony libs is amazing. Now Obama directly sent pallets of cash to Iran. Just the facts.

 

[UrHuckleberry]

To say Trump is giving them cash is totally false. Cognitive dissonance from you and the loony libs is amazing. Now Obama directly sent pallets of cash to Iran. Just the facts.

They are the same thing.

Obama released Iran's own cash as part of an exchange on a deal for a strategic gain.

Trump is releasing Iran's own oil, resulting in almost 10 times the cash, while we are in a conflict with them, for a different but only one time strategic gain (slight potential change in oil prices).

That you want to keep harping on Obama without even being aware of Trump's decision is pretty wild hypocrisy.

While I don't know that I truly have all the facts or understanding of global oil prices, how this will affect them, what we are really gaining, etc, on the surface Trump's decision doesn't make sense to me. But I'm willing to admit there could be factors I'm not privy to, so whatever. But the right's insistence on talking about pallets of cash without a single sliver of nuance is just hilarious to me. But carry on in your stubbornness. I share because self awareness is a virtue. So hoping you could potentially learn some.

 

[ANEW]

The modern, "war *****". Making a living off conflict/war/death.

i don't normally quote myself, but hey i gotta call a spade a spade... to be fair, that first sentence that i typed, come to think of it, pretty much applied to me too since i was a cog in the big green machine for most of my life. Lol. However, I like to think of myself as one of the good guys.

 

[TigerGrowls]

They are the same thing.

Obama released Iran's own cash as part of an exchange on a deal for a strategic gain.

Trump is releasing Iran's own oil, resulting in almost 10 times the cash, while we are in a conflict with them, for a different but only one time strategic gain (slight potential change in oil prices).

That you want to keep harping on Obama without even being aware of Trump's decision is pretty wild hypocrisy.

While I don't know that I truly have all the facts or understanding of global oil prices, how this will affect them, what we are really gaining, etc, on the surface Trump's decision doesn't make sense to me. But I'm willing to admit there could be factors I'm not privy to, so whatever. But the right's insistence on talking about pallets of cash without a single sliver of nuance is just hilarious to me. But carry on in your stubbornness. I share because self awareness is a virtue. So hoping you could potentially learn some.

Let's agree to disagree.

 

[fatpiggy]

What was that about the strait of Hormuz? We couldn’t hear you?

 

[baltimorened]

Let's agree to disagree.

here's the present Iran sent..they're going to rename the strait of Hormuz to start of trump (only jesting)

 

[firegiver]

What was that about the strait of Hormuz? We couldn’t hear you?

is it over? did we win?

Trumps going to declare victory at some point. Whats going to be funny is all these chuds will agree with him, no matter what the outcome of the war was.

 

[fatpiggy]

is it over? did we win?

Trumps going to declare victory at some point. Whats going to be funny is all these chuds will agree with him, no matter what the outcome of the war was.

Far from over. Did we win? In the traditional military war sense, yes. But that isn't the only way a war is waged, Iran is fighting back economically and ideologically, not just militarily.

Not sure it's fair to judge winning and losing on a short timeline. For a long time many thought we won the Iraq war, but did we really win? I think it's fair to say we militarily dominated them, but did we leave Iraq in a better place? That takes decades to determine in my opinion.

 

[bdgan]

is it over? did we win?

Trumps going to declare victory at some point. Whats going to be funny is all these chuds will agree with him, no matter what the outcome of the war was.

What's a "win"?

I don't think the USA faced a direct imminent threat but the IAEA said that Iran had a lot of uranium enriched well beyond what is needed for energy. Iran said they had enough for 10 bombs. So what should we do? Wait until Iran unleased their first nuclear bomb? Should we say bombs in the Mid East and Europe aren't our problem? Should we say Iran killing tens of thousands of their own citizens isn't our problem? Should we stick with the "DON'T" strategy? I don't know the answer but I know it's not an easy answer.

I've been skeptical about this war from the beginning because I never saw an end game. Trump never said regime change. He said he hoped that Iranian's would take this opportunity to take control of their country. The problem is they've been neutered and don't have the capacity to do that.

I don't know the exact numbers but I'm sure we spend more than $20 billion every year in skirmishes precipitated by Iran or their proxies. If we spend $100 billion on this but spend $10 billion less each year going forward it won't have been a huge financial loss. That's a big "IF".

The one thing I' pretty sure of is that Trump made a horrible political move during an election year. I don't see any way this doesn't add to the affordability problem for several months. From a pure political standpoint I think he would have been better off waiting until after the election. I can't help but to wonder if he wants to be membered as the president who brought peace to the Middle East.

 

[yoshi121374]

What's a "win"?

I don't think the USA faced a direct imminent threat but the IAEA said that Iran had a lot of uranium enriched well beyond what is needed for energy. Iran said they had enough for 10 bombs. So what should we do? Wait until Iran unleased their first nuclear bomb? Should we say bombs in the Mid East and Europe aren't our problem? Should we say Iran killing tens of thousands of their own citizens isn't our problem? Should we stick with the "DON'T" strategy? I don't know the answer but I know it's not an easy answer.

I've been skeptical about this war from the beginning because I never saw an end game. Trump never said regime change. He said he hoped that Iranian's would take this opportunity to take control of their country. The problem is they've been neutered and don't have the capacity to do that.

I don't know the exact numbers but I'm sure we spend more than $20 billion every year in skirmishes precipitated by Iran or their proxies. If we spend $100 billion on this but spend $10 billion less each year going forward it won't have been a huge financial loss. That's a big "IF".

The one thing I' pretty sure of is that Trump made a horrible political move during an election year. I don't see any way this doesn't add to the affordability problem for several months. From a pure political standpoint I think he would have been better off waiting until after the election. I can't help but to wonder if he wants to be membered as the president who brought peace to the Middle East.

This is a pretty solid post. I would suggest that if the messaging was more consistent it would give more confidence that this was needed. As stated many times, nobody on here likes Iran, but to claim emphatically as Trump did 6 months ago that their nuclear capability was obliterated for years to come, and then we suddenly had to act because they can now make 10 bombs doesn't give me a lot of confidence.

 

[bdgan]

This is a pretty solid post. I would suggest that if the messaging was more consistent it would give more confidence that this was needed. As stated many times, nobody on here likes Iran, but to claim emphatically as Trump did 6 months ago that their nuclear capability was obliterated for years to come, and then we suddenly had to act because they can now make 10 bombs doesn't give me a lot of confidence.

I agree but I don't think many rational people believed that Iran's nuclear capability was totally wiped out. I'm sure that the sites that were bombed were severely damaged but it only makes sense that Iran would store their enriched uranium in more than one location.

I'm also sure that in the absence of a new regime Iran will rebuild it's military capability after this war is over. It might take them a decade to do so and that's worth something.

 

[UrHuckleberry]

Likely my biggest complaint is the lack of clear messaging. I have no idea what a win looks like. What is our ultimate objective? Is it regime change? Is it full obliteration of their nuclear facilities or something? Almost a month has passed and there are like 7 different things that have been stated, but the opposite of all of them has also been stated.