Why didnt Fl coach play his zone press against the hawks on their last possession.

[uihawk82]

You all saw that the hawks had to pass the ball around a few times to get it past half court. Fl could have been in a 2-1-2 zone trap press, let the hawks inbound the ball in the backcourt and trap and make us pass the ball a couple times or attempt a long pass after inbounding the ball.

They could have done a 5 on 4 man to man press just keeping the themselves between the ball and our basket. We use one guy to inbound the ball and when we drive the ball you double team toward the sideline.

When I saw them in man to man and stirtz standing at half court I thought for sure he was coming back to get the ball but it was a great coaching call to have him wheel around that screen.

 

[CRHAWK]

You all saw that the hawks had to pass the ball around a few times to get it past half court. Fl could have been in a 2-1-2 zone trap press, let the hawks inbound the ball in the backcourt and trap and make us pass the ball a couple times or attempt a long pass after inbounding the ball.

They could have done a 5 on 4 man to man press just keeping the themselves between the ball and our basket. We use one guy to inbound the ball and when we drive the ball you double team toward the sideline.

When I saw them in man to man and stirtz standing at half court I thought for sure he was coming back to get the ball but it was a great coaching call to have him wheel around that screen.

I was just shocked they were face guarding Stirtz. Its hard to believe that was a reigning national champion coach

 

[eyesofhawk]

You all saw that the hawks had to pass the ball around a few times to get it past half court. Fl could have been in a 2-1-2 zone trap press, let the hawks inbound the ball in the backcourt and trap and make us pass the ball a couple times or attempt a long pass after inbounding the ball.

They could have done a 5 on 4 man to man press just keeping the themselves between the ball and our basket. We use one guy to inbound the ball and when we drive the ball you double team toward the sideline.

When I saw them in man to man and stirtz standing at half court I thought for sure he was coming back to get the ball but it was a great coaching call to have him wheel around that screen.

Golden was awaiting your suggestion. But it wasn't received in time, so he just went with something

 

[AnonymousNolonger]

In this instance, Golden could’ve used someone’s advice.

The way he played that last Iowa possession has been widely criticized.

 

[Hawksfor3]

In this instance, Golden could’ve used someone’s advice.

The way he played that last Iowa possession has been widely criticized.

That's the majority of what I've heard today.

 

[iahawkeyes17]

In this instance, Golden could’ve used someone’s advice.

The way he played that last Iowa possession has been widely criticized.

Then after the game he was trying to claim they were going to foul so they had last shot or go to OT is the biggest load of BS ever and weakest excuse for him messing up with the defensive assignment at the end.

 

[eyesofhawk]

That's the majority of what I've heard today.

Yeah you're not going to hear people out there praising Golden on a day like today. That's not how the "news" industry operates.

That's why boards like this are a setup for multiplying negativity in the community, rather than positivity. That's why boards like this contribute a net negative to Hawkeye athletics. It's a setup

 

[AnonymousNolonger]

Golden was awaiting your suggestion. But it wasn't received in time, so he just went with something

With only 8.9 seconds left in the game, the defense Golden called allowed Iowa to hit Stirtz in stride, with a wide open path down the court and resulted in the Hawks getting a wide open 3 point shot.

Meanwhile, you had most of the Florida players trailing the play, instead of being between Stirtz and the Iowa basket.

Golden got absolutely schooled by Ben on that last possession. And it was sweet Karma that Alvaro got to drive the stake through Florida’s hearts.

 

[eyesofhawk]

With only 8.9 seconds left in the game, the defense Golden called allowed Iowa to hit Stirtz in stride, with a wide open path down the court and resulted in the Hawks getting a wide open 3 point shot.

Meanwhile, you had most of the Florida players trailing the play, instead of being between Stirtz and the Iowa basket.

Golden got absolutely schooled by Ben on that last possession. And it was sweet Karma that Alvaro got to drive the stake through Florida’s hearts.

Seems pretty likely that the defense Golden wished to use was not executed properly.

But either way, what's your point?

 

[AnonymousNolonger]

Point is, he earned every bit of criticism he is getting.

Getting a good look at a 3 pointer with 8.9 seconds left in a game is not supposed to be that easy.

He f’ed up.

 

[HawksRule73]

Golden had the benefit last year of a bunch of great players so he just needed to stay out of the way. Now that their guard court is challenged and they need a coach with good in game acumen, he’s showing his true colors.

My guess is he lasts about 3 more years there, max, and ends up on the trash heap of history of coaches that lucked into a Natty (ie Chizik in football).

 

[uihawk82]

Seems pretty likely that the defense Golden wished to use was not executed properly.

But either way, what's your point?

If the Gator guarding Stirtz, Bland I think, takes the route behind that screen he can probably cut off stirtz who has the ball and slow him down. but Iowa's screener on that play was flashing up the other side of the court. Iowa was going to have a 2 on 1 or 3 on 2 at or near the rim I think no matter how FL played it

 

[Hawk_4shur]

Point is, he earned every bit of criticism he is getting.

Getting a good look at a 3 pointer with 8.9 seconds left in a game is not supposed to be that easy.

He f’ed up.

Actually only took 4.7 seconds. Amazing!

 

[Rifler]

This Gator team has been talented enough to collect wins with limited coaching input,.. When they needed it, it wasn't there.

 

[eyesofhawk]

If the Gator guarding Stirtz, Bland I think, takes the route behind that screen he can probably cut off stirtz who has the ball and slow him down. but Iowa's screener on that play was flashing up the other side of the court. Iowa was going to have a 2 on 1 or 3 on 2 at or near the rim I think no matter how FL played it

Golden was awaiting your suggestion. But it wasn't received in time, so he just went with something

Yes, I get all of that. But it doesn't have anything to do with my post that you originally responded to, which I have also attached here for convinience.

Clearly, my post delegitimizes all fan complaints of decisions coaches make for their own team.

Fans have zero inside information. They might be able to, in hindsight, recognize that a play could have worked better. But they don't know that it wasn't the correct call at the time it was made. Again, it could have been misexecuted.

Or maybe it was bad coaching to call a play that wasn't going to be executed. Maybe it was a bad call from the start. Maybe Golden got outcoached all game. That doesn't give any legitimacy to fan complaints about the performance of someone getting paid millions for his expertise.

Golden doesn't care about what some guy in Iowa posts on the internet. He's confident in the work he puts into his craft and understands that mistakes happen.

You make mistakes at your job. And I guarantee you don't give one crap about what Todd Golden has to say about it

 

[iahawkeyes17]

Yes, I get all of that. But it doesn't have anything to do with my post that you originally responded to, which I have also attached here for convinience.

Clearly, my post delegitimizes all fan complaints of decisions coaches make for their own team.

Fans have zero inside information. They might be able to, in hindsight, recognize that a play could have worked better. But they don't know that it wasn't the correct call at the time it was made. Again, it could have been misexecuted.

Or maybe it was bad coaching to call a play that wasn't going to be executed. Maybe it was a bad call from the start. Maybe Golden got outcoached all game. That doesn't give any legitimacy to fan complaints about the performance of someone getting paid millions for his expertise.

Golden doesn't care about what some guy in Iowa posts on the internet. He's confident in the work he puts into his craft and understands that mistakes happen.

You make mistakes at your job. And I guarantee you don't give one crap about what Todd Golden has to say about it

Yeah it actually does give fans, analyst, media etc the right to complain. Tell me what Barkley and rest of the guys in studio said wasn’t wrong and it’s what majority of fans agree with. Why else does he get compensated the way he does or mean he’s never wrong. That creates expectations and when you don’t meet them and fall short it gives all of them I mentioned above the right to question why he did it what he did. No one is immune from criticism.

It’s just like in every other profession. You don’t meet standards or make head scratching decision that effects your job people will question you. Be it you are the top paid salesman and finishing middle of the pack to the new CEO who sees their stock dropping.

 

[Hawk48]

Then after the game he was trying to claim they were going to foul so they had last shot or go to OT is the biggest load of BS ever and weakest excuse for him messing up with the defensive assignment at the end.

IMO the guy is a narcissist, but JMO

 

[eyesofhawk]

Yeah it actually does give fans, analyst, media etc the right to complain. Tell me what Barkley and rest of the guys in studio said wasn’t wrong and it’s what majority of fans agree with. Why else does he get compensated the way he does or mean he’s never wrong. That creates expectations and when you don’t meet them and fall short it gives all of them I mentioned above the right to question why he did it what he did. No one is immune from criticism.

It’s just like in every other profession. You don’t meet standards or make head scratching decision that effects your job people will question you. Be it you are the top paid salesman and finishing middle of the pack to the new CEO who sees their stock dropping.

No one said anything about rights. Let's not make this into too many different things.

Studio analysts are paid to give their opinion for entertainment purposes. But even they only have so much inside information. They aren’t in the gym with these guys on a day to day basis.

Media these days is a melting pot of reporters, columnists, reporter/columnists (journalists), TV and radio anchors and personalities, and anyone with an opinion on social media and podcasts that wants to free-load neverending content.

And nobody gives a crap about what any of them have to say. At least Todd Golden doesn't.

Again, even if Golden got outcoached the entire game, what's the point of anybody's complaint? What does anybody want done about the possibility that Golden missed a call? These people have no point.

Are they suggesting Golden get fired? Because again, a lot of people out there would consider him worth millions.

And again, for most of these people to claim he should be fired, they would be doing so with so with zero inside information and zero expertise.

Again, these people's opinions are meaningless, as they have no point to their complaint. Just as Todd Golden's critique of your job performance would carry absolutely no significance with you

 

[onionman1]

No one said anything about rights. Let's not make this into too many different things.

Studio analysts are paid to give their opinion for entertainment purposes. But even they only have so much inside information. They aren’t in the gym with these guys on a day to day basis.

Media these days is a melting pot of reporters, columnists, reporter/columnists (journalists), TV and radio anchors and personalities, and anyone with an opinion on social media and podcasts that wants to free-load neverending content.

And nobody gives a crap about what any of them have to say. At least Todd Golden doesn't.

Again, even if Golden got outcoached the entire game, what's the point of anybody's complaint? What does anybody want done about the possibility that Golden missed a call? These people have no point.

Are they suggesting Golden get fired? Because again, a lot of people out there would consider him worth millions.

And again, for most of these people to claim he should be fired, they would be doing so with so with zero inside information and zero expertise.

Again, these people's opinions are meaningless, as they have no point to their complaint. Just as Todd Golden's critique of your job performance would carry absolutely no significance with you

How long have you and Golden been together? Sounds like you make a great couple.

 

[iahawkeyes17]

No one said anything about rights. Let's not make this into too many different things.

Studio analysts are paid to give their opinion for entertainment purposes. But even they only have so much inside information. They aren’t in the gym with these guys on a day to day basis.

Media these days is a melting pot of reporters, columnists, reporter/columnists (journalists), TV and radio anchors and personalities, and anyone with an opinion on social media and podcasts that wants to free-load neverending content.

And nobody gives a crap about what any of them have to say. At least Todd Golden doesn't.

Again, even if Golden got outcoached the entire game, what's the point of anybody's complaint? What does anybody want done about the possibility that Golden missed a call? These people have no point.

Are they suggesting Golden get fired? Because again, a lot of people out there would consider him worth millions.

And again, for most of these people to claim he should be fired, they would be doing so with so with zero inside information and zero expertise.

Again, these people's opinions are meaningless, as they have no point to their complaint. Just as Todd Golden's critique of your job performance would carry absolutely no significance with you

Then I have to ask using your own words when asking the question why do you post your comments on here so much. I mean what you said speaks volumes when it comes to yourself…. Just saying. I mean god forbid people are entitled to voice their opinion on something.

“These peoples opinions are meaningless, as they have no point to their complaint.”

 

[eyesofhawk]

How long have you and Golden been together? Sounds like you make a great couple.

Read better

 

[eyesofhawk]

Then I have to ask using your own words when asking the question why do you post your comments on here so much. I mean what you said speaks volumes when it comes to yourself…. Just saying. I mean god forbid people are entitled to voice their opinion on something.

“These peoples opinions are meaningless, as they have no point to their complaint.”

Again, this has nothing to do with entitlement or rights.

I'm not ripping coaches and players on here. I'm ripping people who rip coaches and players.

I'm not arguing into someone else's field of expertise. I'm calling out the meaningless and pointlessness of those who do. And defending the expertise of those who have it.

My posts have a point. The point is people can become better fans, even if for none other than selfish reasoning

 

[iahawkeyes17]

Again, this has nothing to do with entitlement or rights.

I'm not ripping coaches and players on here. I'm ripping people who rip coaches and players.

I'm not arguing into someone else's field of expertise. I'm calling out the meaningless and pointlessness of those who do. And defending the expertise of those who have it.

My posts have a point. The point is people can become better fans, even if for none other than selfish reasoning

You do know how message boards work? Place for people to voice their opinions. And those “experts” aren’t always right and lot of times wrong. I mean god forbid any one who was critiquing Todd lickliter when he was the coach here.

And get off your self entitled high horse opinion of yourself. Your post “have a point”. Guess what lot of us disagree with that take as seen by responses to them. Or I guess we could all post 0-0 or run the ball for the 1000th time still thinking it is so witty or funny when it wasn’t even the 1st go around.

 

[eyesofhawk]

If the Gator guarding Stirtz, Bland I think, takes the route behind that screen he can probably cut off stirtz who has the ball and slow him down. but Iowa's screener on that play was flashing up the other side of the court. Iowa was going to have a 2 on 1 or 3 on 2 at or near the rim I think no matter how FL played it

Sorry, I see now it wasn't you that responded to my original post. My bad.

After watching the play again, it basically comes down to a great play drawn up by Iowa.

Yes, Bland going under the screen would have given him a containment angle vs Srirtz post-catch. But there's really no reason for that option to have ever crossed his mind.
1. As Bland starts in a face-guard, I'm sure his responsibility is to not allow an easy catch, to a degree, as the ball is probably "allowed" to be inbounded to Stirtz once deep in the backcourt.
It's interesting, because Bland initially bites on Stirtz's fake cut toward Iowa's basket. It's possible, in that situation that he's coached to error on that side. Regardless, when he tries to recover, to at least cause a deep backcourt catch, Sage picks him as Stirtz curls it to the opposite side of the court.
2. The genius of the play is Fland really isn't expecting a screen for Stirtz to cut to that side of the court because the basket could have obstructed any pass with an arc to that side of the court. So Koch was to run the baseline to create the angle (which was little) for the pass. That's what made the play.

They not going to play a zone. It's too risky to be vulnerable to undefined matchup responsibility. And a trap is way too risky, as it allows numbers over the top.

Barkley completely whiffed on his comments. Bland's brief lunge for the steal was irrelevant, as he was already trailing the action. Every team, if not at least giving token pressure in this situation, tries to force a deep in-bounds catch. No team just sits their D in the front-court.

I love Barkley. But with as opinionated as he is, lazy investigation will cost him at times. He knows ball. All he had to do was watch the play again.

That said, he was spot on with his praise for Iowa, other than the omission of that play design

 

[eyesofhawk]

You do know how message boards work? Place for people to voice their opinions. And those “experts” aren’t always right and lot of times wrong. I mean god forbid any one who was critiquing Todd lickliter when he was the coach here.

And get off your self entitled high horse opinion of yourself. Your post “have a point”. Guess what lot of us disagree with that take as seen by responses to them. Or I guess we could all post 0-0 or run the ball for the 1000th time still thinking it is so witty or funny when it wasn’t even the 1st go around.

Yes, he can voice his opinion. And I can tell him that his opinion doesn't matter. I think that's a fact. But if not, it's my opinion.

If people were publically critiquing Lickliter, as Hawkeye fans, they were very shortsighted.

You disagree that my posts have a point? So you disagree that people can become better fans?

"Team record" and "run the ball" posts aren't meant to be witty or funny. They are my thoughts. "It’s like, my opinion, man!", exclaims The Dude. This is a message board, right?

 

[iahawkeyes17]

Yes, he can voice his opinion. And I can tell him that his opinion doesn't matter. I think that's a fact. But if not, it's my opinion.

If people were publically critiquing Lickliter, as Hawkeye fans, they were very shortsighted.

You disagree that my posts have a point? So you disagree that people can become better fans?

"Team record" and "run the ball" posts aren't meant to be witty or funny. They are my thoughts. "It’s like, my opinion, man!", exclaims The Dude. This is a message board, right?

If you can’t tell the difference between a fact and opinion that speaks volumes… Your schtick is tired and old. The worst part is you never think your wrong and ALWAYS have to have the last word and reply to every post directed towards your way like a petulant child as if thinking you have the last word makes you right.

 

[eyesofhawk]

If you can’t tell the difference between a fact and opinion that speaks volumes… Your schtick is tired and old. The worst part is you never think your wrong and ALWAYS have to have the last word and reply to every post directed towards your way like a petulant child as if thinking you have the last word makes you right.

Word.

People not having strong enough positions to back with a response is not my fault

 

[oldxbbc]

Just saw a clip of final seconds that I had not seen. Hawks had a player in each corner and Florida had one defender under basket. He did not “cheat” to the side Stirtz was dribbling up the floor initially. Good thing for Hawks!

 

[hawkeyebob1962]

The thing EVERYONE knew--Florida, Iowa, fans, etc--happened. Stirtz was going to get the ball.

Still, somehow, Stirtz was cruising upcourt, nobody in front of him. Everything after that could be predictable. Except...most assumed Stirtz would also be taking the shot.

Pure genius.

 

[uihawk82]

Sorry, I see now it wasn't you that responded to my original post. My bad.

After watching the play again, it basically comes down to a great play drawn up by Iowa.

Yes, Bland going under the screen would have given him a containment angle vs Srirtz post-catch. But there's really no reason for that option to have ever crossed his mind.
1. As Bland starts in a face-guard, I'm sure his responsibility is to not allow an easy catch, to a degree, as the ball is probably "allowed" to be inbounded to Stirtz once deep in the backcourt.
It's interesting, because Bland initially bites on Stirtz's fake cut toward Iowa's basket. It's possible, in that situation that he's coached to error on that side. Regardless, when he tries to recover, to at least cause a deep backcourt catch, Sage picks him as Stirtz curls it to the opposite side of the court.
2. The genius of the play is Fland really isn't expecting a screen for Stirtz to cut to that side of the court because the basket could have obstructed any pass with an arc to that side of the court. So Koch was to run the baseline to create the angle (which was little) for the pass. That's what made the play.

They not going to play a zone. It's too risky to be vulnerable to undefined matchup responsibility. And a trap is way too risky, as it allows numbers over the top.

Barkley completely whiffed on his comments. Bland's brief lunge for the steal was irrelevant, as he was already trailing the action. Every team, if not at least giving token pressure in this situation, tries to force a deep in-bounds catch. No team just sits their D in the front-court.

I love Barkley. But with as opinionated as he is, lazy investigation will cost him at times. He knows ball. All he had to do was watch the play again.

That said, he was spot on with his praise for Iowa, other than the omission of that play design

Good points, but if you remember FL was using a half pressure zone press a lot to make Iowa use time in the backcourt and maybe make a bad pass. And that press was working as it was taking the hawks about 8 seconds to get over half court.

You dont give up a long pass as you shadown close enough to the opponent. It is easy to trap in the backcourt and make your opponent waste time with 8.9 seconds left. And maybe make your opponent, Iowa in this case, to force a long pass that doesnt work well.

 

[eyesofhawk]

Good points, but if you remember FL was using a half pressure zone press a lot to make Iowa use time in the backcourt and maybe make a bad pass. And that press was working as it was taking the hawks about 8 seconds to get over half court.

You dont give up a long pass as you shadown close enough to the opponent. It is easy to trap in the backcourt and make your opponent waste time with 8.9 seconds left. And maybe make your opponent, Iowa in this case, to force a long pass that doesnt work well.

Yeah, those things are possible.

But Iowa could have a special play against the zone for that moment.

Again, zone is too risky in that moment, as a special play can confuse the matchup and blockout responsibilities, allowing a player to run free.

There's a reason nobody uses zone in this spot

 

[doughuddl2_rivals]

The thing EVERYONE knew--Florida, Iowa, fans, etc--happened. Stirtz was going to get the ball.

Still, somehow, Stirtz was cruising upcourt, nobody in front of him. Everything after that could be predictable. Except...most assumed Stirtz would also be taking the shot.

Pure genius.

The Florida player guarding Fulgaris left him to meet Stirtz at the 3pt line.

Lots of perfect execution on the play.

Sage with the screen.

Koch with the pass hitting Stirtz as he turned up court.

And Stirtz to Al in the corner.