Military Strikes on Iran Imminent

nytigerfan

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Will be ugly if that’s the case.





Trump just removed sanctions on Iranian oil that will be sold now and used to fund the war against our troops.

 

dpic73

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Trump just removed sanctions on Iranian oil that will be sold now and used to fund the war against our troops.

And hilariously, Iran says they don't have any surplus oil to help with supply. Can't make this sh*t up. Beclowment...


Spokesperson of the Iranian Ministry of Oil: "At present, Iran essentially has no crude oil left floating on water or surplus for supply in other international markets, and the statement by the US Treasury Secretary is merely aimed at giving hope to buyers and psychologically controlling the market."
 

ClemsonCO14

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The issues are escalating quickly and transforming into medium-to-long term concerns. I’d be shocked if Trump doesn’t TACO in the next week - he’s obviously searching for an off-ramp as evidenced by his postponement of energy infra attacks (for which his rationale was quickly debunked).

What a clown show that affects us all adversely..
 

TigerGrowls

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Iran's tyrannical supreme leader was blown into 100 pieces.

Their entire navy is at the bottom of the ocean.

Their three nuclear sites have been turned to rubble.

Their entire military has been decimated.

Their nuclear program has been set back for decades.

This is one of the most successful military missions of the last 50 years.
 
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President Trump says Iran reached out for talks and that the United States has been speaking to “a top person” in Tehran. Iran denies it. But the importance of this is not only about whether the talks are real. It is also about what Trump’s words are already doing.

By saying there has been contact, but not naming who is involved, Trump is creating doubt inside a leadership that is already under heavy pressure. Iran’s senior figures are in hiding. Command centres are damaged. Communication is limited. Trust is weak. In that kind of situation, a statement like this will make people ask: who is talking to Washington, and why? That doubt will not stay only at the top. It will spread down through the system, making lower ranks more nervous, more suspicious, and more unsure about what is happening.

At the same time, Trump is sending a message to the markets. By talking about a possible deal and delaying strikes on major Iranian power plants, he showed that the war may not move into a more dangerous stage right away. Oil prices fell immediately. So whether the talks are real or not, Trump’s statement is already having an effect: more mistrust inside Tehran and less panic in global energy markets.

Read more:
open.substack.com/pub/parpanchi
 

baltimorened

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The issues are escalating quickly and transforming into medium-to-long term concerns. I’d be shocked if Trump doesn’t TACO in the next week - he’s obviously searching for an off-ramp as evidenced by his postponement of energy infra attacks (for which his rationale was quickly debunked).

What a clown show that affects us all adversely..
so, just to be clear, you're against trump initiating war, and you're against trump ending war.
 

yoshi121374

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so, just to be clear, you're against trump initiating war, and you're against trump ending war.

I think he's pointing out that it seems as if once again, Trump made an ill considered decision and is panicking when it is hurting his poll numbers and his personal finances.

This was a dumb war, that the Administration still hasn't presented a consistent and reasoned explanation for why it was necessary. It's even more shocking considering all of the attacks that Trump lodged against former presidents who went to war in the Middle East. He is literally doing the opposite of what he claimed in campaign speeches during the last election.
 

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This. Where are have all the magas who were in this thread gone? They were so mad when Obama unfroze Iranian funds to get them to stop pursuing nuclear weapons. Now Trump does this, and it’s ******* crickets.

@fatpiggy @TigerGrowls @MTTiger19 @ANEW @baltimorened
President Barry appeased Iran and sent them piles of $$ so that they could further their ballistic missile, drone, and nuclear bomb programs. President Trump and the us military are now dealing with that problem to the best of their ability by kicking the crap out of all of that and their navy, air force, and leadership as we speak. If you can't see and understand the difference, i don't know what to tell you.
 

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I think he's pointing out that it seems as if once again, Trump made an ill considered decision and is panicking when it is hurting his poll numbers and his personal finances.

This was a dumb war, that the Administration still hasn't presented a consistent and reasoned explanation for why it was necessary. It's even more shocking considering all of the attacks that Trump lodged against former presidents who went to war in the Middle East. He is literally doing the opposite of what he claimed in campaign speeches during the last election.
I don't disagree with your thought. But let me add a little different perspective. First of all, as I posted earlier, during the initial conversations with Iranian leadership back in February, they told our negotiators that they had enough enriched uranium for 11 bombs. So unless you believe that they accomplishes that since Trump cancelled the Obama deal, they've been lying about their activities on that front. Next, they have been telling us for years that they do not have long range ballistic missiles....they just shot 2 that went 2000 miles, which means that they can hit just about every European capitol.

So, just based on a national security construct, do we want Iran to have a nuclear missile capability that could reach Europe? Now if the answer to that is "yes", than you are 100% correct. But if your answer is "no", then something has to be done to both eliminate enriching uranium and/or eliminating the missile program. So when do you do that? When they have the capability or before they have the capability. Most people would think "before". So if you think that way, when would be the best time to take it out? Now or after they have built up their ability to lob more missiles or drones at their adversaries. (they were said to be producing 1000 missiles /month), God knows how many drones.

I don't profess to know the right answer. It does seem that Trump supporters totally favor "NOW", and, not surprisingly, those anti trump say "NOT NOW".

I personally don't think trump is as worried about his personal finances - I don't think he invests in stock market, he's got $$billions - I think he more concerned about the damage being done, or might be done to the economy. He knows that the election is in November and if democrats take over either House or Senate his agenda is over. He only has about 4 months, at the most, to put all the pieces back together. JMO
 

nytigerfan

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President Barry appeased Iran and sent them piles of $$ so that they could further their ballistic missile, drone, and nuclear bomb programs. President Trump and the us military are now dealing with that problem to the best of their ability by kicking the crap out of all of that and their navy, air force, and leadership as we speak. If you can't see and understand the difference, i don't know what to tell you.

yes, the difference is Trump is trying to give Iran money while we are ******* fighting them. If you can’t understand that, I don’t know what to tell you.
 
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yes, the difference is Trump is trying to give Iran money while we are ******* fighting them. If you can’t understand that, I don’t know what to tell you.
As opposed to sending them money and lifting sanctions while not destroying their ability to project power or enrich uranium. I got it.
 

nytigerfan

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As opposed to sending them money and lifting sanctions while not destroying their ability to project power or enrich uranium. I got it.
They were being monitored, willingly. We can go back and forth on the effectiveness of that. Obviously, you're going to say it didn't work at all. I'm going to disagree.

But what you cannot disagree with me on this fact. Trump is trying to fund the regime that we are currently fighting. Meaning that if Iran did sell that oil that he has lifted the sanctions on, all future bullets, missiles, etc hitting our troops would have been partially funded by Trump's political decision.
 

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As opposed to sending them money and lifting sanctions while not destroying their ability to project power or enrich uranium. I got it.
I was very skeptical of the IRAN deal Obama put into effect. However, everything I've seen now shows it was the right move. Unless you are Israel and you want to destory every nearby country and invade it and claim it as your own. See Lebanon.
 
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yoshi121374

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I don't disagree with your thought. But let me add a little different perspective. First of all, as I posted earlier, during the initial conversations with Iranian leadership back in February, they told our negotiators that they had enough enriched uranium for 11 bombs. So unless you believe that they accomplishes that since Trump cancelled the Obama deal, they've been lying about their activities on that front. Next, they have been telling us for years that they do not have long range ballistic missiles....they just shot 2 that went 2000 miles, which means that they can hit just about every European capitol.

So, just based on a national security construct, do we want Iran to have a nuclear missile capability that could reach Europe? Now if the answer to that is "yes", than you are 100% correct. But if your answer is "no", then something has to be done to both eliminate enriching uranium and/or eliminating the missile program. So when do you do that? When they have the capability or before they have the capability. Most people would think "before". So if you think that way, when would be the best time to take it out? Now or after they have built up their ability to lob more missiles or drones at their adversaries. (they were said to be producing 1000 missiles /month), God knows how many drones.

I don't profess to know the right answer. It does seem that Trump supporters totally favor "NOW", and, not surprisingly, those anti trump say "NOT NOW".

I personally don't think trump is as worried about his personal finances - I don't think he invests in stock market, he's got $$billions - I think he more concerned about the damage being done, or might be done to the economy. He knows that the election is in November and if democrats take over either House or Senate his agenda is over. He only has about 4 months, at the most, to put all the pieces back together. JMO

What you say is mostly true, except for the small fact that we were assured, and very aggressively by Trump that Irans nuclear capability was obliterated for decades only 6 months ago.

 

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I don't disagree with your thought. But let me add a little different perspective. First of all, as I posted earlier, during the initial conversations with Iranian leadership back in February, they told our negotiators that they had enough enriched uranium for 11 bombs.
It's not just the Iranian leadership. The IAEA reported where uranium enriched to up to 60% purity, close to the 90% of weapons grade, has been stored underground.
 

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They were being monitored, willingly. We can go back and forth on the effectiveness of that. Obviously, you're going to say it didn't work at all. I'm going to disagree.
The IAEA said Iran was not allowing them access to many areas. In fact Iran was censured for non compliance. Iran also refused to allow inspections of bombed military sites.
 

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I was very skeptical of the IRAN deal Obama put into effect. However, everything I've seen now shows it was the right move. Unless you are Israel and you want to destory every nearby country and invade it and claim it as your own. See Lebanon.
Most people can't imagine what it's like to live in Israel where their neighbors say they have no right to exist and bomb sirens often chase them into underground shelters.

Israel attacked Lebanon because they were attacked by Hezbollah (and Iranian proxy). Their retaliation included taking control a security zone as an act of self defense. It's not an attempt to take over the country.
 

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Most people can't imagine what it's like to live in Israel where their neighbors say they have no right to exist and bomb sirens often chase them into underground shelters.

Israel attacked Lebanon because they were attacked by Hezbollah (and Iranian proxy). Their retaliation included taking control a security zone as an act of self defense. It's not an attempt to take over the country.
Israel claims it wants to rule from the river to the sea. They have terrorized the Gazans from the start. Excluding that fact and ignoring that Israel is an apartheid state is pure Israeli propaganda.
 
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Israel claims it wants to rule from the river to the sea. They have terrorized the Gazans from the start. Excluding that fact and ignoring that Israel is an apartheid state is pure Israeli propaganda.
Wow! Israel 20+ years ago Israel dismantled their settlements and left the Gaza Strip. Hamas took over and started attacking Israel. "From the river to the sea" is a rallying cry for Palestinians who think Israel has no right to exist and must be destroyed. Palestine refuses to accept 1967 borders or a 2 state solution. Hamas's charter explicitly calls for Israel's destruction and rejects any permanent peace.

FWIW Palestinians are free to live, and come and go, and exercise their faith in Israel.
 

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Wow! Israel 20+ years ago Israel dismantled their settlements and left the Gaza Strip. Hamas took over and started attacking Israel. "From the river to the sea" is a rallying cry for Palestinians who think Israel has no right to exist and must be destroyed. Palestine refuses to accept 1967 borders or a 2 state solution.
Palenstine was never allowed elections again after Hamas was elected. BIBI funneled money to Hamas to ensure they would remain in power.

You cannot excuse the genocide. Because it is a genocide. And it is an Apartheid state.

Its not true that Palenstine didn't want a two state solution. You have got to read something besides Israeli news.
 
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so, just to be clear, you're against trump initiating war, and you're against trump ending war.
No - I’ve been against the war from the beginning and it’s become clear that Trump had no clear rationale for committing American lives and billions of dollars to this war..

So now that the stock/bond markets and economic outlooks are declining, he’s scrambling for a way to exit this pointless war and declare a Pyrrhic victory.

How is America better off after this war?
 

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Palenstine was never allowed elections again after Hamas was elected. BIBI funneled money to Hamas to ensure they would remain in power.

You cannot excuse the genocide. Because it is a genocide. And it is an Apartheid state.

Its not true that Palenstine didn't want a two state solution. You have got to read something besides Israeli news.
Historical records document multiple two-state proposals rejected by Palestinian leadership since 1937. The Peel Commission, UN Partition Plan, Camp David 2000, and Olmert 2008 offer were all declined, showing a consistent pattern of rejecting peaceful coexistence solutions.

The Hamas charter was issued in 1988. The Charter identified Hamas as the Muslim Brotherhood in Palestine and described its members to be god-fearing Muslims raising the banner of Jihad (armed struggle) in "the face of the oppressors". The 1988 charter defines the struggle to be against the Jews and calls for the eventual creation of an Islamic Palestinian state in all of former Mandatory Palestine, and the obliteration or dissolution of Israel.
 
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Most people can't imagine what it's like to live in Israel where their neighbors say they have no right to exist and bomb sirens often chase them into underground shelters.

Israel attacked Lebanon because they were attacked by Hezbollah (and Iranian proxy). Their retaliation included taking control a security zone as an act of self defense. It's not an attempt to take over the country.

Israel is the size of New Jersey. From a area standpoint 33 Israels would fit into Texas. They literally have a warning time of pending attack that is in the minutes. Their air force maintains a QRF that can be airborne in 15min, or so i read, and during times of hightened tension that can include pilots strapped into plaenes ready to go in 5min or even less.

An October 7th equivalent in the US woud be 40,000 deaths!!!! and over 8,500 kidnapped!!!! (9/11 for us was just under 3,000 deaths)