Worst hire than Billy G. If true (Posted April 2024)

kygent2

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I can tell you why he's right and why you're wrong.

You're arguing a straw man, that BCG was a worse COACH. Gent is arguing that Pope is a worse HIRE. There's a distinction, even a difference. You live by the technicalities, you die by them.

BCG was fired after going 22-14 in year 2. Pope won't be, despite going...wait for it...22-14 in year 2. Why? Because Barney gave Pope a STUPID, MONSTROUS BUYOUT.

That makes this a WORSE hire. We have to CONTINUE this path to hell. At least BCG's failure was terminated.

You're also trying to use stats to discredit a TWO-YEAR-OLD prediction post where you called it "dumb post of the year."

You might be trying to argue that his hyperbole is factually questionable, but YOURS is off the charts ridiculous.

So you lose.

Find your sack and take L
Right, he is ridiculous, probably was bullied as a child.
 
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Ash Williams

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  1. I don't think you know what "straw man argument" means, because you are making a straw man argument about it being a worse hire.
  2. You compared records of going 22-14 in year 2 of Pope to the same for BCG. Well Pope was a 7 seed in the real tournament - and lost his starting PG, a backup wing, had Oweh hurt with turf toe, and whatever was going on with JQ - and still made it to the round of 32. Billy G had a full squad until the very end of the season in a crap SEC and made the NIT. So an honest assessment is that in Year 2, Pope did better. And he definitely did better in year 1.
  3. You can't argue that Billy G was a better hire because we got to fire him after two years. Why? Because a) you all didn't have the contract details in place during the initial post, and b) the original focus had no discussion on the buyout of Pope's deal vs Billy G's. Worth noting, Billy G didn't sign the contract, which prevented him from getting his $6M buyout (he got half), and that was in 2009 dollars (around $9M today). Pope's buyout is $13M. It will go down a third after next year.
  4. Take the L
#1 - No, I'm not.
#2 - You're now arguing a straw man. The OP said worse HIRE, not worse COACH. You're still doing it.
#3 actually strengthens my argument, thanks for that. Barnhart did a MUCH WORSE job hiring Pope and giving him an astronomical buyout which, as you just ADMITTED, is millionS more than BCGs.
#4 - Nice try, fail
 
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I can tell you why he's right and why you're wrong.

You're arguing a straw man, that BCG was a worse COACH. Gent is arguing that Pope is a worse HIRE. There's a distinction, even a difference. You live by the technicalities, you die by them.

BCG was fired after going 22-14 in year 2. Pope won't be, despite going...wait for it...22-14 in year 2. Why? Because Barney gave Pope a STUPID, MONSTROUS BUYOUT.

That makes this a WORSE hire. We have to CONTINUE this path to hell. At least BCG's failure was terminated.

You're also trying to use stats to discredit a TWO-YEAR-OLD prediction post where you called it "dumb post of the year."

You might be trying to argue that his hyperbole is factually questionable, but YOURS is off the charts ridiculous.

So you lose.

Find your sack and take the L.

  1. I don't think you know what "straw man argument" means, because you are making a straw man argument about it being a worse hire.
  2. You compared records of going 22-14 in year 2 of Pope to the same for BCG. Well Pope was a 7 seed in the real tournament - and lost his starting PG, a backup wing, had Oweh hurt with turf toe, and whatever was going on with JQ - and still made it to the round of 32. Billy G had a full squad until the very end of the season in a crap SEC and made the NIT. So an honest assessment is that in Year 2, Pope did better. And he definitely did better in year 1.
  3. You can't argue that Billy G was a better hire because we got to fire him after two years. Why? Because a) you all didn't have the contract details in place during the initial post, and b) the original focus had no discussion on the buyout of Pope's deal vs Billy G's. Worth noting, Billy G didn't sign the contract, which prevented him from getting his $6M buyout (he got half), and that was in 2009 dollars (around $9M today). Pope's buyout is $13M. It will go down a third after next year.
  4. Take the L
Respect to the both of you for articulating your arguments very well. Need more of this on here. Good job.
 
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Mdnerd

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#1 - No, I'm not.
#2 - You're now arguing a straw man. The OP said worse HIRE, not worse COACH. You're still doing it.
#3 actually strengthens my argument, thanks for that. Barnhart did a MUCH WORSE job hiring Pope and giving him an astronomical buyout which, as you just ADMITTED, is millionS more than BCGs.
#4 - Nice try, fail
Go have a drink and chill. You seriously need to relax and find that grip on reality.
 
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This is absolutely ridiculous .
If hired to keep 1 player onboard ridiculous.
We will never get another 5 star.
If you wanted a ex Kentucky player, there were plenty of more in front of him.
He better hire Derrick Anderson or Winston Bennet
This is a total failure.
You are a big stupid moron.
 
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Ash Williams

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Was not meant as a joke. Never use "bro" and didnt tell you to get help.
Oh, you're still going? You're like a dog with a bone, you don't know when to let go.

Conversation's over. Want the last word? Go ahead. You're a waste of time. Blocked.
 
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When was this thread started, Einstein? 2024! Billy G was a better recruiter than Pope. Patrick Patterson, Darius miller, Deandre Liggins, Josh Harrellson, and Daniel Orton. And that was without the portal. And guess what, Gillispie sucked at recruiting too. Cool you even admit you’re an arrogant jerk too. That’s hilarious 😂 😂😂😂😂

You come across as an arrogant jerk.
 

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Thread is a perfect example of people reacting on feelings vs results.

Lot of low IQ posters blasting the OP only to look stupid

I was blasting the hire in HOB but also had several more saying same thing.

There are still several singing the praises of Pope
 

*Bleedingblue*

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The difference is that BCG embarrassed UK both on and OFF the court. At least Pope isn’t spending his evenings getting slobbery shitfaced drunk in public while pursuing girls far too young for him.

Pope is certainly struggling on the court, but he’s still a far better hire than BCG.

Mark Stoops is that you?
 

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  1. I don't think you know what "straw man argument" means, because you are making a straw man argument about it being a worse hire.
  2. You compared records of going 22-14 in year 2 of Pope to the same for BCG. Well Pope was a 7 seed in the real tournament - and lost his starting PG, a backup wing, had Oweh hurt with turf toe, and whatever was going on with JQ - and still made it to the round of 32. Billy G had a full squad until the very end of the season in a crap SEC and made the NIT. So an honest assessment is that in Year 2, Pope did better. And he definitely did better in year 1.
  3. You can't argue that Billy G was a better hire because we got to fire him after two years. Why? Because a) you all didn't have the contract details in place during the initial post, and b) the original focus had no discussion on the buyout of Pope's deal vs Billy G's. Worth noting, Billy G didn't sign the contract, which prevented him from getting his $6M buyout (he got half), and that was in 2009 dollars (around $9M today). Pope's buyout is $13M. It will go down a third after next year.
  4. Take the L

Swear I remember Meeks being out for the year in Billy Gs first year with a strained groin or something like that. And PPat had broken his foot in sec play and missed the rest of the year.
Dont forget Alex Legion and his crazy mom. He left during the season.
They did finish 12-4 in the sec.
Seems I remember in his second year guys not playing as well.
But he recruited way better than Pope.
If it wasnt for Pope paying players to play for him who would he have? Probably a team full of Perry's and Noah's.
 
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Mdnerd

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Swear I remember Meeks being out for the year in Billy Gs first year with a strained groin or something like that. And PPat had broken his foot in sec play and missed the rest of the year.
Dont forget Alex Legion and his crazy mom. He left during the season.
They did finish 12-4 in the sec.
Seems I remember in his second year guys not playing as well.
But he recruited way better than Pope.
If it wasnt for Pope paying players to play for him who would he have? Probably a team full of Perry's and Noah's.
😬 sleeping during the recruiting years of BCG i see... really didnt expect anyone to claim he was doing a better job recruiting.

Pope brought in division 1 players. The bar set by BCG is lower than that somehow.
 
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Pope’s team this year was also much better than any BCG team at UK. The SEC was a two bid league in BCG’s last season, with the highest being a 8 seed. It was verging on midmajor in terms of competitiveness with other leagues.
 
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You come across as an arrogant jerk.
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Tim0808

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Always had more respect for you. If you think Pope is worse than BCG, I seriously question your intelligence.

This year was not good, but far better than BCG and ended better than Cals last 5 plus.

We need better, but this thread is still utterly stupid.
BCG is a better basketball coach than Pope. BCG just isn't a better person than Pope.
 

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#1 - No, I'm not.
#2 - You're now arguing a straw man. The OP said worse HIRE, not worse COACH. You're still doing it.
#3 actually strengthens my argument, thanks for that. Barnhart did a MUCH WORSE job hiring Pope and giving him an astronomical buyout which, as you just ADMITTED, is millionS more than BCGs.
#4 - Nice try, fail
Some educated people have absolutely no common sense whatsoever. You’re seeing that with these nerds being jerks to people in the thread. No point in even trying to talk to people like that. He was being a jerk to the OP when the thread started and gonna finish it that way.
 
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Looking at Billy G's track record, I can't believe anyone in his right mind would have hired him at UK.

Frankly, Pope is the same way,
 

Tim0808

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Looking at Billy G's track record, I can't believe anyone in his right mind would have hired him at UK.

Frankly, Pope is the same way,
I would not have hired him either. I said during his introductory press conference that he had drinking issues. However, I will say at least Billy G had won his conference and made a run in the NCAA tournament. Two things Pope had never done.
 

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I would not have hired him either. I said during his introductory press conference that he had drinking issues. However, I will say at least Billy G had won his conference and made a run in the NCAA tournament. Two things Pope had never done.
  1. Let's tap the breaks on "making a run" in the NCAA tournament. Billy G made it to the Sweet 16 as a 3 seed. The year before that he made it to the round of 32.
  2. Pope's best year at BYU was cancelled due to COVID, so perhaps that year his team actually wins a game.
  3. But Billy G was a downright stupid hire. Pope did a good job his first year at UK. People are forgetting that.
  4. Year 3 is the make or break season for him.
 

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  1. Let's tap the breaks on "making a run" in the NCAA tournament. Billy G made it to the Sweet 16 as a 3 seed. The year before that he made it to the round of 32.
  2. Pope's best year at BYU was cancelled due to COVID, so perhaps that year his team actually wins a game.
  3. But Billy G was a downright stupid hire. Pope did a good job his first year at UK. People are forgetting that.
  4. Year 3 is the make or break season for him.
1. Texas A&M to sweet 16 was a run for that program. Multiple schools was trying to hire Billy G.
2. Pope had multiple years to win a conference tournament or an NCAA game and he never did either. Why would I expect to him to win the year it was canceled.
3. I think the difference is you think last year was a good job. Last year was a C performance at best.
4. Year 3 is the final for him at UK and it will be 3 years too long.
 

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1. Texas A&M to sweet 16 was a run for that program. Multiple schools was trying to hire Billy G.
2. Pope had multiple years to win a conference tournament or an NCAA game and he never did either. Why would I expect to him to win the year it was canceled.
3. I think the difference is you think last year was a good job. Last year was a C performance at best.
4. Year 3 is the final for him at UK and it will be 3 years too long.
I totally agree, 3 years too long, but the ones who want too keep Pope alive, will through another season of mediocrity and still not admit they were wrong
 

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3. I think the difference is you think last year was a good job. Last year was a C performance at best.
No offense, but this a buffoon level take. Pope was hired on April 12. He had no team left. Many players had committed to their schools already. NIL had allowed other schools to lock up key players. He built a brand new team over a few months, finished 12th in the nation, earned a 3 seed, and made it to the Sweet 16 - all while losing one of his best scorers (Robinson) and being without his PG for a lot of the year. Also, the SEC had one of its best years ever - so the competition was ridiculous. UK finished better than UConn and Baylor that year - the two coaches we went after first.

Compare that to Calipari's first year. In his first year here, was hired on April 1, was able to switch over some of his recruits, and built a top 3 team. They stayed healthy all year, and he made the Elite 8. I'd argue that was an A year (would have been an A+ had he not blown it against WVU). The SEC sucked that year as only 4 teams made the tournament. Now compare that to Calipari's last year. 10 losses. First round exit to Oakland with a bunch of NBA players on the team.

I don't know who you think we could have gotten and how they could have done better last year.
 
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No offense, but this a buffoon level take. Pope was hired on April 12. He had no team left. Many players had committed to their schools already. NIL had allowed other schools to lock up key players. He built a brand new team over a few months, finished 12th in the nation, earned a 3 seed, and made it to the Sweet 16 - all while losing one of his best scorers (Robinson) and being without his PG for a lot of the year. Also, the SEC had one of its best years ever - so the competition was ridiculous. UK finished better than UConn and Baylor that year - the two coaches we went after first.

Compare that to Calipari's first year. In his first year here, was hired on April 1, was able to switch over some of his recruits, and built a top 3 team. They stayed healthy all year, and he made the Elite 8. I'd argue that was an A year (would have been an A+ had he not blown it against WVU). The SEC sucked that year as only 4 teams made the tournament. Now compare that to Calipari's last year. 10 losses. First round exit to Oakland with a bunch of NBA players on the team.

I don't know who you think we could have gotten and how they could have done better last year.
You cannot compare first year of Cal and Pope. The transfer portal makes it too easy to build a roster these days. No offense either, but Pope is the worse men's basketball coach at UK in my lifetime. As Barkley says, TURRIBLE!!!
 

kygent2

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You gave more prroof that there are a TON of “I’m right” “fans” on here that would like to see him fail so they can bump their old posts. Just sad. “Gent” my azz
Well if my post made him fail, then he shouldn't be coaching, especially at Kentucky, well atleast the Im Right fans are not wavering from day one, can you say the same, well Im sure your big tuff guy self behind your keyboard is to boneheaded to admit he is a failure...