We Have Turned On Each Other

[UKAlum84]

Money can't solve everything but as Zig Ziglar would say "It Does make it easier to breath."

I wish we could find a happy medium, throwing money at the top players only goes so far. I bet you anything the big spenders on players end up with complacent players who underperform. I bet this year a team makes it to elite 8 or final 4 who did not have to spend big bucks to make a great team.

 

[Anon1768287303]

No, it’s the same way in reverse. When we win the happy at all time posters make the same comments to the people who are unhappy. It goes both ways. But in the end everyone would be happy if we had the program we should have.

I get that... Respectfully, my question to what you said in your post is, when UK wins why would any UK fan not be happy?

 

[Monday Nitro]

Money can't solve everything but as Zig Ziglar would say "It Does make it easier to breath."

I wish we could find a happy medium, throwing money at the top players only goes so far. I bet you anything the big spenders on players end up with complacent players who underperform. I bet this year a team makes it to elite 8 or final 4 who did not have to spend big bucks to make a great team.

I sat down next to a guy a bar recently while traveling and he told me to call him "Captain". He was probably 65. He kept showing me pictures of a boat he used to have, hotties in the boat on the lake, etc. I asked him what he was up to now. He was broke and living in "a room". It was pathetic. They used him up and probably made him pay to gas up hiw own boat everytime they went out, lol.

 

[Woodrow24]

yeah, and of course, according to this board, there would be a massive boycott of the SEC tournament this year. My friend was there and said that there were very few UK fans.....Oh wait....that is not what my friend said. My friend said it was full of UK fans.

Who cares if someone on here said fans were boycotting? Anyone knows uk fans travel the best. SMH We got beat again and you’re flexing about fan numbers. That’s weird

 

[ComebackCats98]

Bottom line, not one single UK fan on here is happy about the state of affairs. Nobody is happy with the losing, the injuries, the substitution patterns, the recruiting and getting swept by Florida, but why attack those that are not foaming at the mouth and are doing nothing but hoping Pope figures it out?

I gotta tell you guys, you fire Pope and don't get Pearl/Oats/Otzelberger etc… we'll be rolling the dice on another guy that could be worse than Pope. Be careful what you wish for. Sorry, but the guys that are proven, aren’t coming here.

One thing I don’t understand is you mention being a big supporter of firing the hall of fame national championship coach with 6 SEC tournament titles (that’s not a knock on you most people were over it), but then you say we can’t get rid of the 12 and soon to be 14 loss coach that hasn’t finished in the top 5 of the SEC in two seasons because we could end up with a worse coach. I don’t get the logic there. You were okay risking it with Cal, but not Pope that had been mediocre

 

[Moopyj]

Its the nature of message boards to start chit and disagree. Itd happen regardless

 

[FatCatMan]

One thing I don’t understand is you mention being a big supporter of firing the hall of fame national championship coach with 6 SEC tournament titles (that’s not a knock on you most people were over it), but then you say we can’t get rid of the 12 and soon to be 14 loss coach that hasn’t finished in the top 5 of the SEC in two seasons because we could end up with a worse coach. I don’t get the logic there. You were okay risking it with Cal, but not Pope that had been mediocre

There’s no way we could end up with a worse coach than Pope unless they go after Pelphrey or Ford.

 

[FatCatMan]

yeah, and of course, according to this board, there would be a massive boycott of the SEC tournament this year. My friend was there and said that there were very few UK fans.....Oh wait....that is not what my friend said. My friend said it was full of UK fans.

So the fanbase is full of delusional Pope fans? Well ain’t that concerning. I’ve been pretty firm in my opinion that a large amount of the fanbase is huffing the Pope cope pretty hard right now. It may very well be enough to kill Kentucky for good.

 

[preacherfan]

Who cares if someone on here said fans were boycotting? Anyone knows uk fans travel the best. SMH We got beat again and you’re flexing about fan numbers. That’s weird

Some were claiming that fans were not going to show up to see UK play and it was claimed that there would be no NIL money for next year and that we would have a horrible season. Yeah, I thought that was weird too! Lots of delusion on this board.

 

[Buckwheat Otay Is Dead]

That's just the way of the world now.

That’s no excuse for being rude

 

[preacherfan]

So the fanbase is full of delusional Pope fans? Well ain’t that concerning. I’ve been pretty firm in my opinion that a large amount of the fanbase is huffing the Pope cope pretty hard right now. It may very well be enough to kill Kentucky for good.

We survived Sutton and survived Billy G and we survived Tubby's refusal to make changes and we survived a ton of other adversity. UK will be fine. I have no idea if Pope or another coach will get us back on top but considering how many coaches have won titles at UK I haven't quit looking forward to a bright future.

 

[theGspot_rivals175609]

That’s no excuse for being rude

Why do you need an excuse to be rude?

 

[FatCatMan]

We survived Sutton and survived Billy G and we survived Tubby's refusal to make changes and we survived a ton of other adversity. UK will be fine. I have no idea if Pope or another coach will get us back on top but considering how many coaches have won titles at UK I haven't quit looking forward to a bright future.

No one defended Tubby or BCG like they do Pope. You people are in a freaking cult.

 

[Woodrow24]

Some were claiming that fans were not going to show up to see UK play and it was claimed that there would be no NIL money for next year and that we would have a horrible season. Yeah, I thought that was weird too! Lots of delusion on this board.

I wish I could have bet with someone saying that about fan attendance. Idk about next year, hard for anyone to predict at this point when we haven’t even signed anyone yet

 

[preacherfan]

No one defended Tubby or BCG like they do Pope. You people are in a freaking cult.

You are completely delusional or too young to remember. Tubby had diehard supporters who continued to cry long after he was gone. There was a BCG thread entitled, "Post here to show your support for the coach" or something like that. I refused to sign on to that thread and was called out by even some of my chat board friends. Nothing is true about your post, nothing.

 

[FatCatMan]

You are completely delusional or too young to remember. Tubby had diehard supporters who continued to cry long after he was gone. There was a BCG thread entitled, "Post here to show your support for the coach" or something like that. I refused to sign on to that thread and was called out by even some of my chat board friends. Nothing is true about your post, nothing.

Yeah, I remember them, they were nowhere near as hardcore or as plentiful as the Pope cult. Whether it’s because of the rise Facebook/Twitter/Reddit has made them louder or because they just like him more for some reason, I don’t know.

 

[preacherfan]

Yeah, I remember them, they were nowhere near as hardcore or as plentiful as the Pope cult. Whether it’s because of the rise Facebook/Twitter/Reddit has made them louder or because they just like him more for some reason, I don’t know.

There is no reason to call Pope supporters a "cult." Why can't you be civil in discussing a different perspective. I agree that this year has been bad. I just don't think Pope is a bad as you do. I even think he can turn this around. If he doesn't, yeah, he will be gone in due time. That isn't anything we can affect. We are just fans on a chat board.

 

[RunninRichie]

Do we really want Oats? Half this board wants nothing to do with him.

We crush Pope for being a terrible defensive mind, Oats is worse, way worse.

Pope’s best defensive team, was either #34 or #37. Oats has been in the mid teens to early 20s a few times, in defensive efficiency. So no, Oats is not way worse.

 

[crashtestdummy_rivals61973]

Speaking of the ignore button.....

Oh no, say it ain't so..........Another cuck that got their poor wittle feelwings damaged. Beta's everywhere.........

 

[rivercatinfl]

What makes you so sure about that? Guy can't even land 1 top recruit.

He's made comments about guys. Nothing specific but that makes sense to me.
Hey, we'll see what happens.
Would live to add TP as GM. I agree Pope needs some help. Make or break year for us and Pope.

 

[kyjeff1]

Here's the thing, you go to the Kentucky fan Subreddits and you’ll find that anyone who is remotely negative gets dogpiled on and downvoted for even implying that Pope isn’t going to work. Not to mention crazy threads implying “Pope is the perfect coach for the job and poops ice cream” when everything so far has proven on the contrary.

That isn’t including Facebook crazies or the Twitter nuts where many have the same level of delusions.

How do you deal with people who refuse to see what is in front of you? Right now we finished 9th in the SEC after finishing 6th last year. Neither cases did we make it beyond Friday in the SECT.

We have fans aggressively pushing that other fans with higher expectations should settle. That “no one wants to coach here.” That somehow out of 360 Division 1 coaches, only Pope accepted the job. It doesn’t even make sense. Between that and people desperately pushing the comparison between Pope and Hurley/Golden and it becomes exhausting.

Something Pope fans can’t accept is that none of it is very realistic. Pope likely won’t lose fewer 10 games a year. He likely won’t finish in the top 4 of the SEC and probably won’t make it further than Friday of the SECT or the Sweet 16 in the tournament. Because that’s been results of Pope’s entire coaching career.

What’s even more unrealistic is expecting boosters to continue to spend over $20 million a year when the results are nowhere close to expectations. Pope will likely continue to lose NIL spending the longer he is here and will likely have worse results because of it. At some point fans need to be realistic. No not realistic in the sense that we all have to accept Pope as our Lord and Savior. But realistic that Pope is doomed to fail because people with money will not continue throwing money into failure.

Wait, you think the Pope haters are the ones getting punked?

 

[kyjeff1]

One thing I don’t understand is you mention being a big supporter of firing the hall of fame national championship coach with 6 SEC tournament titles (that’s not a knock on you most people were over it), but then you say we can’t get rid of the 12 and soon to be 14 loss coach that hasn’t finished in the top 5 of the SEC in two seasons because we could end up with a worse coach. I don’t get the logic there. You were okay risking it with Cal, but not Pope that had been mediocre

Because the coach that you're referring to, the one that won 6 SEC titles, left a long time ago and we let him hold the program hostage for 5 years. We gave him way too much respect.

If Cal had 3 of his 5 starters out injured, he would have gotten more leeway.

But also, let me know when pope loses at home to UNCW and Evansville and let me know when Pope loses in the NCAAT to Oakland and Saint Peters with 10 times the talent.

 

[kyjeff1]

No one defended Tubby or BCG like they do Pope. You people are in a freaking cult.

LOL, what?

 

[kyjeff1]

Pope’s best defensive team, was either #34 or #37. Oats has been in the mid teens to early 20s a few times, in defensive efficiency. So no, Oats is not way worse.

LOL, his defense is ranked 67th right now. Pope's is 27th.

 

[Woodrow24]

Do we really want Oats? Half this board wants nothing to do with him.

We crush Pope for being a terrible defensive mind, Oats is worse, way worse.

How is he way worse defensively as a coach when he’s won the conference twice in the regular season, finished 2nd twice, won 2 SEC tournament championships, and been to an elite 8 and final four at a football school? He’s won the MAC conference Coach of the year twice and the SEC Coach of the year once. Pope hasn’t done anything like that. You can’t be that bad of a defensive coach and accomplish all of that.

I’m not even an Oates fan but he’s a better coach so far than pope ever thought about being.

 

[kyjeff1]

How is he way worse defensively as a coach when he’s won the conference twice in the regular season, finished 2nd twice, won 2 SEC tournament championships, and been to an elite 8 and final four at a football school? He’s won the MAC conference Coach of the year twice and the SEC Coach of the year once. Pope hasn’t done anything like that. You can’t be that bad of a defensive coach and accomplish all of that.

I’m not even an Oates fan but he’s a better coach so far than pope ever thought about being.

Uh, plenty of teams have made the FF, or won league titles with subpar defenses. Oats is and always will be the poster child for poor defensive efficiency.
Just go on over to Kenpom and see for yourself. It’s not hard to do.

 

[CatPride1964]

Money can't solve everything but as Zig Ziglar would say "It Does make it easier to breath."

I wish we could find a happy medium, throwing money at the top players only goes so far. I bet you anything the big spenders on players end up with complacent players who underperform. I bet this year a team makes it to elite 8 or final 4 who did not have to spend big bucks to make a great team.

I haven’t heard some reference zig ziglar in 3 decades.

 

[Woodrow24]

Uh, plenty of teams have made the FF, or won league titles with subpar defenses. Oats is and always will be the poster child for poor defensive efficiency.
Just go on over to Kenpom and see for yourself. It’s not hard to do.

Uh, Pope isn’t better than oats at anything at this point. I mean you’re going around trying to insinuate he’s better than oats and Calipari as a coach it sounds like. If that’s the case idk how you can justify it whatsoever. Matter fact, the year that Alabama went to the final four they were 3rd in the nation in defensive efficiency. Google it if you don’t believe me. When has Pope done that Jeff?

 

[BigRedMachineBigBlueNation]

The toxic positivity crowd is turning BBN into IU fans.

 

[Woodrow24]

The toxic positivity crowd is turning BBN into IU fans.

That’s what I hate about having an ex player as a coach. People start making up crazy stuff to justify things when they don’t work out because they liked them as a player. Pope playing on a team 30 years ago has nothing to do with his coaching at this point in time. We’re not even close to being where we should be as a program.

 

[BigRedMachineBigBlueNation]

The Pope supporters on here are the ones attacking others. Multiple threads being dig up to gloat, attack others. I’ve tried to have conversations with some but it’s impossible.

meanwhile they cry “why can’t we all just get along” like they’re the ones being attacked. Like the worlds ending because we don’t kneel at Pope’s every command.

 

[Kingslayer07]

What in the hell is there to be positive about this program right now.

 

[Woodrow24]

The Pope supporters on here are the ones attacking others. Multiple threads being dig up to gloat, attack others. I’ve tried to have conversations with some but it’s impossible.

meanwhile they cry “why can’t we all just get along” like they’re the ones being attacked. Like the worlds ending because we don’t kneel at Pope’s every command.

They like him as an ex player and person is why. They want him to succeed really bad and I get it. But outrageous stuff is being said that makes absolutely no sense to justify things at this point. Like in this thread when it’s being insinuated that Nate Oats is a bad coach when he’s been successful at a football school that doesn’t really care much about basketball. He’s a “horrible defensive coach” when he’s had one of the best statistical defenses in the country in the past. Jeff tried to say pope is a better defensive coach and that’s embarrassing.

 

[BigRedMachineBigBlueNation]

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They like him as an ex player and person is why. They want him to succeed really bad and I get it. But outrageous stuff is being said that makes absolutely no sense to justify things at this point. Like in this thread when it’s being insinuated that Nate Oats is a bad coach when he’s been successful at a football school that doesn’t really care much about basketball. He’s a “horrible defensive coach” when he’s had one of the best statistical defenses in the country in the past. Jeff tried to say pope is a better defensive coach and that’s embarrassing.

or the attacks at Golden. Yeah he’s a dick. A dick with a championship!

 

[Woodrow24]

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or the attacks at Golden. Yeah he’s a dick. A dick with a championship!

Golden is a prick, but most good coaches are unfortunately.

 

[BigRedMachineBigBlueNation]

Y'all don’t even realize how much this forum has become Hoosier Hoops lately with the “support our coach at all costs” toxic positivity, and the “Coach ___ is a dick/mean/douchebag” posts, and worst of all the moral victory posts.

 

[BigRedMachineBigBlueNation]

What in the hell is there to be positive about this program right now.

Pope is amazing! He’s such a good guy!

We won two tournament games
We almost beat Florida (again!)
We’d be so much better without injuries
We swept Tennessee!
Pope is Hurley is disguise!
Pope is also Pitino in disguise!

Guys just admit it, POPE is not they guy.

 

[Phil_The_Music2]

No one defended Tubby or BCG like they do Pope. You people are in a freaking cult.

There is no way you are a real UK fan. Tubby had more defenders than Pope could ever dream of having. Hell, there's still people mad that "we ran him off." Stop being an idiot to try to push your narrative.

 

[Woodrow24]

There is no way you are a real UK fan. Tubby had more defenders than Pope could ever dream of having. Hell, there's still people mad that "we ran him off." Stop being an idiot to try to push your narrative.

It’s easy to forget about what you’re talking about I guess. Some fans on here may be too young to remember that as well. What you said is true though. If we can get stokes and some good players out of the portal people will get in a little bit of a better mood. Pope just has to improve a lot next season. UK fans are ready to be elite again and I’m sure if Pope doesn’t get it done they will find someone that will

 

[Artlaibesghost]

We are losing this is what happens when UK loses.