*** Official Team USA / Caitlin thread ***

Conn53victor

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The question is not whether Angel can regularly get a double double. The question is at what cost to offensive efficiency. It is also ugly and boring basketball.
So there needs to be a stat for what happens after a player gets a rebound. If Reese's offensive mebounds ultimately result in a made basket, that's a good thing. If her defensive rebounds result in a turnover from dribbling up the court, that's a bad thing. So there could be a RaR (Result after Rebound) stat broken down for offensive and defensive rebounds.

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Max Rebo

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pablow

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So there needs to be a stat for what happens after a player gets a rebound. If Reese's offensive mebounds ultimately result in a made basket, that's a good thing. If her defensive rebounds result in a turnover from dribbling up the court, that's a bad thing. So there could be a RaR (Result after Rebound) stat broken down for offensive and defensive rebounds.

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She's a lousy teammate too. Even Marina Mabrey wanted out of the AR **** show in Chicago.
 

Kceasthawk@77

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Like Clark, Reese’s game is pretty well understood at this point. One game by either player is not going to materially change that. Clark going through a 1-31 3Pt shooting slump does not change her earned reputation as a good shooter.

Reese is a WNBA career double double player (approx 15/12 IIRC). She already holds multiple WNBA records (including most consecutive DDs). She is on a path to shatter multiple REB records (already holds season REB record IIRC).

“”menounds”” lol - they can’t stop her from rebounding her missed shots. Everyone knows she’s a lousy shooter and they can’t stop her. When did ORBs become a negative state? “Do not rebound your misses” said no coach ever.

I don’t care at all for AR’s personality and hate all the drama she generates but you can’t deny what she does on the court.
And what was the Chicago Sky's record in two years amongst locker room turmoil of lots of players playing for themselves? Mabry was THRILLED to get the heck out of Chicago....
 

Kceasthawk@77

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These clips of Angel deliberately icing Caitlin tell the story. Coaches didn't even pull AR out of the game to explain to her she is not the point guard. This is not basketball, it's politics. And, it's driven by Lawson, White, and Bird.
I have to think that some of Angels antics were caused by CC's tremendous game yesterday. Already back and she's grabbing the spotlight effortlessly.
 

nu2u

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And what was the Chicago Sky's record in two years amongst locker room turmoil of lots of players playing for themselves? Mabry was THRILLED to get the heck out of Chicago....
Exactly. The ego and drama is too much. I don’t know - I highly doubt - that she will ever be able to reign it in. Nevertheless, she will be sought after by other teams thinking she will/can.
 

DukeSlater

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Is it bad that I have no desire to watch when Caitlyn is on the bench.
Is it bad that I have no desire to watch when Caitlyn is on the bench.
No, not at all. I'm the same way. CC is the only female basketball player worth watching who doesn't wear a Hawkeye jersey. They literally could not pay me to walk across the street to watch women's basketball unless CC or the Hawkeyes were playing.
 

DukeSlater

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I mean, Howard was named player of the game. She hit those three's but she was almost as bad as Copper who shot or drove EVERY time she touched the ball in the first half. Meanwhile Clark nearly matched Howard with 17 points and then there's those 12 assists. Hmmm...
Well, that's just plain BS. Player of the Game . . . LOL
 

DukeSlater

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You did not know that women play professional basketball before Caitlin Clark came along?
That is correct. Or maybe I knew there was a league of some sort, but I just didn't give a damn. Yah, I think that was it. And if you look at the numbers, nobody else knew or gave a damn either. Most people never heard of a thing called the WNBA until Caitlin came along. It's well-documented. You could look it up.

And as I've said in other threads, you couldn't pay me to watch the WNBA unless CC were playing. And when she retires, I will return to mowing the lawn or painting the house rather than wasting my time watching that joke of a league.
 

DukeSlater

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That lineup was not good. In 4.5 minutes they ran one cohesive play that resulted in an easy bucket. Otherwise a lot of hero ball. Angel ball hogging it several times is just straight dumb. CC forced a bad 3. Bad spacing on a few possessions. And the ball wasn’t moving enough on offense. CC gives the ball up and may as well get back on defense as her teammates aren’t giving it back to her.
That's why CC has forced some shots. Either she shoots or she'll never see the ball again. Quite a "team" they have there.
 

DukeSlater

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Like Clark, Reese’s game is pretty well understood at this point. One game by either player is not going to materially change that. Clark going through a 1-31 3Pt shooting slump does not change her earned reputation as a good shooter.

Reese is a WNBA career double double player (approx 15/12 IIRC). She already holds multiple WNBA records (including most consecutive DDs). She is on a path to shatter multiple REB records (already holds season REB record IIRC).

“”menounds”” lol - they can’t stop her from rebounding her missed shots. Everyone knows she’s a lousy shooter and they can’t stop her. When did ORBs become a negative state? “Do not rebound your misses” said no coach ever.

I don’t care at all for AR’s personality and hate all the drama she generates but you can’t deny what she does on the court.
"What she does on the court." :rolleyes: AR is a dime a dozen. She gets a lot of rebounds off her own missed shots. She's as overrated as they come. Combine her limited skills with her attitude and, well, she can go to . . .
 

DukeSlater

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The written comments are stupid but watch the video.

It's pretty clear Caitlin does not like Angel.


What a bunch of bullshitt. Most decent humans know that CC has been bullied by the Black racists in the WNBA since day one. They can't stand that their game has been pulled out of the anonymous gutter by a White girl from Iowa. The WNBA was unknown to almost everyone until CC and her unmatched skills came along. Suddenly, the WNBA is a thing, and the envy and jealousy of most of the Black players has been as obvious as the physical attacks on CC.

As for AR, no decent person likes her. She's a prima donna who came to national attention not for anything positive she did on the court, but for mocking CC. That's her claim to fame. That and being tall. AR is a horrible human being and an egomaniac on the level of the dictator in DC.
 

Hawksfor3

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Mostly because her teammates aren't seeing the open lanes. CC gets the ball where it should go, but the other players are too stupid to understand the game and get into position. Not all TOs are the same.
When she first joined the Fever, you could see this happening a lot. After playing there awhile, her 'mates finally began to anticipate passes and get into favorable positions to catch them. From what I've seen in my limited viewership this year of women's pro ball, is that there are a few vets that actually are getting into good position for her passes, but not many. I'd have to go back and look for greater accuracy. But generally speaking, they just need time to play together and adjust IMHO.
 

WDSMHawk

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What a bunch of bullshitt. Most decent humans know that CC has been bullied by the Black racists in the WNBA since day one. They can't stand that their game has been pulled out of the anonymous gutter by a White girl from Iowa. The WNBA was unknown to almost everyone until CC and her unmatched skills came along. Suddenly, the WNBA is a thing, and the envy and jealousy of most of the Black players has been as obvious as the physical attacks on CC.

As for AR, no decent person likes her. She's a prima donna who came to national attention not for anything positive she did on the court, but for mocking CC. That's her claim to fame. That and being tall. AR is a horrible human being and an egomaniac on the level of the dictator in DC.

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Like Clark, Reese’s game is pretty well understood at this point. One game by either player is not going to materially change that. Clark going through a 1-31 3Pt shooting slump does not change her earned reputation as a good shooter.

Reese is a WNBA career double double player (approx 15/12 IIRC). She already holds multiple WNBA records (including most consecutive DDs). She is on a path to shatter multiple REB records (already holds season REB record IIRC).

“”menounds”” lol - they can’t stop her from rebounding her missed shots. Everyone knows she’s a lousy shooter and they can’t stop her. When did ORBs become a negative state? “Do not rebound your misses” said no coach ever.

I don’t care at all for AR’s personality and hate all the drama she generates but you can’t deny what she does on the court.
A rebound can result in points. An assist does result in points scored. It's easy to see which one is more significant.
 

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A few easy baskets and mebounds, mixed in with a few good rebounds. Otherwise cosplayed as LeBron - unsuccessfully - showing just how selfish and/or dumb she is. And this isn’t about her antics in college. I don’t care about that anymore. This is her directly negatively impacting team USA and Caitlin.


Reese wants to be Caitlin so bad. Wants to be able to shoot, wants to be able to drop dimes, wants to bring the ball up and be the floor general. Anything CC does really, really well, Angel wants to be able to do. Lol. It's pretty bad and very selfish play.
 
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Kceasthawk@77

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AR has always been a prima donna. Nobody ever heard of her before she acted like a little baby and mocked CC. That's one way to get famous--or infamous--I guess.
Okay so lets at least be honest and not crap fans because we don't like the girl. The "nobody ever heard of her" just isn't true, and frankly it helps feed the narrative that Iowa fans are hicks that only care about Clark and not the growth of the game. When Clark game out of high school the ranking were Paige #1, and then depending on which service, Cardosa, Clark, Brink, and Reese were basically the top 5 players. (Reese was certainly a key figure in LSU's run after her dismissal from Maryland) , (and was an AA there), so to say "nobody had ever heard of her" is just silly. YES, she got A LOT of media attention as the black hat in the CC22 saga, but she was certainly a well known player to people who follow the women's game. She was also on the USA junior national teams that Paige, Clark, and Van Lyth played on back 2018-19. She's a dynamic rebounder, but her offensive skill really hasn't improved at all in her years in college or the W
 
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Never forget that the sold out arenas & increase in TV viewership is because of Angel, too!

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Gonzo_Bloor

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Like Clark, Reese’s game is pretty well understood at this point. One game by either player is not going to materially change that. Clark going through a 1-31 3Pt shooting slump does not change her earned reputation as a good shooter.

Reese is a WNBA career double double player (approx 15/12 IIRC). She already holds multiple WNBA records (including most consecutive DDs). She is on a path to shatter multiple REB records (already holds season REB record IIRC).

“”menounds”” lol - they can’t stop her from rebounding her missed shots. Everyone knows she’s a lousy shooter and they can’t stop her. When did ORBs become a negative state? “Do not rebound your misses” said no coach ever.

I don’t care at all for AR’s personality and hate all the drama she generates but you can’t deny what she does on the court.
I wouldn't say "negative" stat but in AR's case definitely a "dubious" stat. It's inflated because she shoots 42% from within 5 feet of the basket. That's pathetic. And of course she's going to have an edge getting her own rebounds, she's missing little bunnies close to the rim and already has the perfect position to get the board.
 
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Game against Italy is listed at 3:45 pm tomorrow, but if it's anything like the first 2 I expect a bunch of ******** for 15 minutes and a 4:00 pm tip. I don't think Italy has a chance, even if they do it like their baseball team and have a bunch of 4th-generation Americans on their roster. USA 96-49
 

Ludd

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Caitlin Clark holds the WNBA record for most turnovers. turnovers are a cost to offensive efficiency. Still, a coach would have to be a complete idiot to try to change her style of play.

I’m not a big fan of Angel Reese. There is no scenario where a franchise would take Reese over Clark. Clark is unquestionably superior. At the same time, I’m willing to at least acknowledge that Reese may be the greatest rebounder in WBB history.
I would bet CC has a low turnover percentage compared to how much she touches the ball…probably one of, if not the lowest in the league.
 

Gillh2o

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What a bunch of bullshitt. Most decent humans know that CC has been bullied by the Black racists in the WNBA since day one. They can't stand that their game has been pulled out of the anonymous gutter by a White girl from Iowa. The WNBA was unknown to almost everyone until CC and her unmatched skills came along. Suddenly, the WNBA is a thing, and the envy and jealousy of most of the Black players has been as obvious as the physical attacks on CC.

As for AR, no decent person likes her. She's a prima donna who came to national attention not for anything positive she did on the court, but for mocking CC. That's her claim to fame. That and being tall. AR is a horrible human being and an egomaniac on the level of the dictator in DC.
Another TDS thread?