Military Strikes on Iran Imminent
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I thought Hegseth and Trump said Iran did not have a Navy at this point. How are the Iranians laying mines? If we can blow up fast boats plying the wide open waters of the Caribbean with cocaine, surely we can blow up Iranian boats in the rather confined geography of the Strait of Hormuz. ??!!
And Iran mining the Straight of Hormuz would qualify as a "major escalation?" We've already bombed the crap out of them, killed their head of state, and killed most of their leaders. Short of launching a nuclear missile at us, I'm trying to think of anything that the Iranians could do that would constitute an escalation of this war.
That's just dumb and incorrect. Do you like saying stupid things?
The Iranians have hundreds if not thousands of fast small boats. While they can only put down a couple at a time, it will be very difficult for us to catch all or even many of them.
It’s an escalation because if they lay mines we have to send in minesweepers after a ceasefire. They’ve basically poisoned the straights
Because we didn’t fund Iran. Obama secured peace with Iran and Trump ripped it up. Iran is going to get a nuclear weapon now
You are 100% wrong. Obama sent billions in cash to Iran and its a stone cold fact. Wake up man.
And whose money was that ...
You can't help echoing lies. I honestly feel bad for you. How does it feel to see that all of us were right and Trump was Trump first, not America? How do you like all these new wars? How do you like high gas prices and collapsing stock prices? How do you like seeing he has no actual plans?
Here is the breakdown of the source and context of the funds:
The Original $400 Million: This money was part of a trust fund established by the Shah of Iran in the late 1970s to purchase U.S. military equipment. After the 1979 Iranian Revolution, the equipment was never delivered, and the U.S. froze these assets.
The $1.3 Billion Interest: This portion represented a negotiated settlement regarding the interest owed on the principal $400 million over 35 years of litigation at the Hague Tribunal.
The "Judgment Fund": Because this was a legally binding settlement, the money was paid out of the U.S. Treasury’s Judgment Fund. This is a permanent, indefinite fund managed by the Treasury that Congress previously approved for settling litigation against the U.S. government.
Why Cash? The U.S. paid in foreign cash (Euros, Swiss Francs) because strict sanctions still in place meant that direct electronic banking with Iran was illegal, and it was the only way to deliver the payment, according to the Obama administration.
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Key Distinction:
This $1.7 billion transaction was separate from the estimated $100 billion to $150 billion in Iranian oil revenue assets that were released to Iran as part of the 2015 JCPOA nuclear deal. Those funds were already Iranian assets held in foreign banks, which were unfrozen when sanctions were lifted.
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Once again, can't you acknowledge we literally gave Iran back their own money? It cost us nothing to have a peace, yet Trump enraged his idiot followers with lies and you bought it.
What a load of nothing yoshi. My statement is correct. Obama sent them billions. You are just now quibbling over the source of the funds.
Then explain how Obama giving them their money, which cost the US nothing, in exchange for getting inspectors into the nuclear plants was bad?
Now explain how your Lord and Savior Trump wasn't lying when he said we had completely obliterated the nuclear capabilities of Iran just a few months ago, but now we had to attack the country to keep them from attacking us with nuclear weapons?
Explain how you are fine with another middle Eastern war, when you literally,multiple times stated you supported Trump because he wouldn't get us into a middle Eastern war.
Are you just cool with him lying to you?
Yoshi...your TDS is alarming. Please go get a head exam bro. Trump is winning no matter how much fake news yall get.
I answered already. Obama gave Iran billions.......period.
Amazing you would try to call someone out for TDS.
There were also restrictions on how their money could be used.
"There were strict, legally mandated restrictions on how Iran could use the money released as part of the 2015 nuclear deal (JCPOA) and subsequent, smaller, related agreements. The funds were not provided by the U.S. government but rather were Iran’s own assets previously frozen in foreign banks due to U.S. sanctions.
Here are the specific restrictions on the money:
- Limited to Humanitarian Goods: The released funds were restricted for use only on non-sanctionable items, primarily humanitarian goods such as food, medicine, and agricultural products.
- Third-Party Transfers: The money did not directly enter Iran's banking system. It was transferred to restricted accounts in third-party countries (such as Qatar) and paid directly to vetted vendors for goods, ensuring it did not "touch Iranian hands".
- Strict U.S. Oversight: The U.S. Treasury Department monitored the transactions to ensure compliance, with the capability to freeze the accounts if it was determined the funds were being misused.
- Preventing Misuse: The goal was to allow Iran access to its funds for the benefit of its people while preventing the money from being used to fund terrorism, the Revolutionary Guard, or the ballistic missile program, which remained under U.S. sanctions.
We clearly have no plans for how to "defeat" Iran and effectively end the war, so I feel like there is a decent chance this ends with a Iranian strategic victory
the only problem with that, was simply that the deal ended after 10 years and then we'd be right back where we were.
War should be a last resort...we started negotiations and I don't know if trump team was right in saying that Iranians weren't serious, but I do accept that the Iranians said they have enough enriched uranium for 11 bombs. A world with a nuclear Iran would not be good IMO
why would you believe that we have no plans for how to defeat Iran...and what does defeat Iran really mean? Just because the government hasn't told us their plan (why would they) doesn't mean they don't have one.
The administration had a closed door meeting/briefing with congressional leaders and the unclassified info they were able to share after was "there is no real plan."
-No plan to take out Iranian nuclear capabilities
-No plan for regime change
-If Iran rebuilds their missile and drone capacities we will just go back to bombing
-No plan to really open the SOH
We haven't defined what defeating Iran looks like. We have no strategic goal we are clearly working towards. Our goals keep changing and have included: picking Iran's leaders for them, destroying Iranian nuclear abilities, helping the Iranians overthrow the regime, making sure Iran can't project power in the region, and now revised down to stuff like "make sure they can't launch missiles and drones or make them".
Our bombing campaign here is making the same mistakes we made in Vietnam. We are measuring the efficiency of our strikes, not the effectiveness. "Oh we dropped X number of bombs, shot down Y number of drones and missilies, ran z number of strikes." Cool but that doesn't tell me we are progressing towards any strategic goals.
Yeah, that's a puzzler because @scotchtiger is usually not disingenuous or wrong about everything.
It will 100% end that way, if we're lucky. It's a bunch of drunken idiot pedophiles vs the oldest civilization on the planet. The U.S. will limp away from this diminished in every way imaginable.
“.. An ongoing military investigation has determined that the United States is responsible for a deadly Tomahawk missile strike on an Iranian elementary school, according to U.S. officials and others familiar with the preliminary findings.”
We literally blew up a school full of children.
No no no, Iran somehow stole a Tomahawk missile, which only 3 other non-US countries have, and fired it at their own school and/or they took the frozen bodies of school girls they killed in January out of storage and planted them
@TigerGrowls says sh it like this unironically 5-7 times a day lol
Ok so turns out pretty much all of the plans we had for conflict with Iran and the SOH were based on Iran being the aggressor and us going in with a large coalition. Instead we're doing a YOLO conflict with Bibi and we don't have the buy in necessary to do what needs to be done in the SOH
well, I'm not part of the current operational planning - obviously....But from experience I can say that every operation with the military I was involved in there was a paragraph specifically calling out "objective" so that everybody understood where we were going and the outcome desired.
Now, I'd be surprised if this time it's different. On the other hand, if we're referring to a person or party members'opinions, that I can understand.
I think our strategic planning for this wasn't very good. There was a tail wagging the dog element with CENTCOM and overall planning.
If I was Iranian and in charge over there, I would also be laying mines in the Strait of Hormuz. And doing so as assiduously as possible.
The Iranians can't fight the U.S. in any conventional military sense. The imbalance of military strength is just too profound. What they can and should do is try to make the continuation of the U.S. bombing campaign as costly as possible for the U.S. and other countries, in the hopes that Trump will feel pressure to desist with the bombing. Mining the Strait of Hormuz and putting world oil markets in chaos is sound strategy from the Iranian perspective.
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The term "billions" is a plural term. It necessarily indicates a multiple number of billions (i.e., at least $2 billion). We sent them a total of $1,7 billion, which is less than $2 billion. So you are wrong on the face of it, TG.
You'd be comign from deep off the bench and being advised on that decision by a random assortment of people. Probably making the decision harder/ slower. But it's probably the biggest, last card that they have to play at this point. 100% guaranteed to piss off everyone in one way or another.
I've been looking but not surprisingly can't find a definitive list of what mine laying assets we belived to be operational and how many of each we have destroyed,.
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Video from a Chinese cargo ship which shows an Iranian Shahed-136 striking an oil tank at the Port of Salalh in Oman.
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