Trending in the right direction with Stokes
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Yea at that point you gotta let the Kentucky kid go be another random player somewhere else. Watching his expressions lately…. If he doesn’t enter the draft i could see him transferring. And I wouldn’t be upset. The whole team besides Chandler and Williams could leave.
I’ve said Moreno is a future pro. And he is. But give me a center with a little more speed and aggression. And one that can shoot. If they can’t shoot they better play like baby Shaq over there at Georgia. Hell I’d swap even with them. He was almost a cat anyway. Give me a center that can jump and block shots. Jump and catch lobs.
You may be right but 21 posts in 8 years? Smells like a troll job to me.
So based on that update, he doesn't really want to play here? But we might end up getting him of he doesn't get the offer he wants from Kansas. Doesn't exactly inspire optimism about his willingness to go 100% for us next year even if we get him. But, who knows if that report is even true.
I’d take Cyril in addition to Moreno. As a defensive specialist and enforcer. But no way I’d trade them. Moreno’s potential is much higher IMO. I hope he busts his *** this summer on conditioning and strength training. He’s gonna be a good one.
I’m not convinced Pope even wants Stokes. I can see him running back with what he has and fills departure holes with 4* portal guys that “fit his style”.
Which of course would be another disaster.
Which of course would be another disaster.
Then what is the purpose of the 22 million rev share cap?
I don’t think getting portal guys that fit his system is definitely a mistake. Part of the problem this year seemed to be, even when healthy, it was gonna be a tough to run the offensive system Pope has always run. Pope has to recognize that and get pieces that fit. I know a lot of people blow off the successes of the first year. But that team was really good at full strength. Just get a little better pieces that fit and depth to overcome what seems to be the inevitable injuries and they could be good again.
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The $$$ figure came from the settlement. A certain % of revenue was to paid to the athletes. They were trying to get away from the pay for play by all schools having the same amount . They set up the NIL clearinghouse to make sure anything besides rev share was legit business deals. I think they thought that would stop collectives but it hasn't. This fall schools were bypassing the whole NILgo and paying their players lol. I think that's why UK did the JMI deal. But they quickly found out nobody else was playing by these rules .
Last fall the the ruling wasn't in place yet. After that ruling money can either come from the rev shap cap of 22 million OR real NIL deals that are paid by a business. Now whether schools are doing other things such as giving money to a company to then pay to a player for an advertisement or something is irrelevant to my point to the other poster of how the rules have changed.
It went into effect 7/1. The rev share cap was just the total amount the school could give to student athletes. There isn't a limit on NIL deals. Theoretically UK could spend 50 million on basketball players next year if we wanted.
Ok lol . I don't know how else to explain how it works. Bless your lil heart. As much arguing as you do here, it would be cool if you knew what you were talking about.
And for years before that we paid NBA tryout kids to come here and worry about their draft stock instead of Kentucky. Hey I’m with you on getting the best kids but Stokes doesn’t want to be here so why should we want him here? It’s something I hope they figure out so we can get back to winning instead of an embarrassment. It definitely needs to be a mixture of the right guys who can actually play instead of what being brought in here.
"And for years before that we paid NBA tryout kids to come here and worry about their draft stock instead of Kentucky"
different coach
I get your point. I like Moreno. He might be happy here. Just looks out of it imo. His potential might be better but I’m not worried about what they will be in 5/6 years from now. Moreno might end up being a lottery pick. I doubt it but I want who’s going to produce next year. Cyril is a monster who moves his feet and can jump out of the gym. He’s so powerful he can man handle Moreno and foul him all game without getting called for fouls. It’s because he plays with an amount of agggresion that Moreno doesn’t know exist.
I love Kentucky basketball. But I got to admit. I could give two farts about the Kentucky kid thing. I look at players for what they are. Moreno is what he is. Being a Kentucky boy adds no value to me as a fan.
I’m all for watching them transfer to another sec school like Perry and then kicking the dog crap out of them. I want Kentucky to win big. If Kentucky boys are helping do that then that’s great.
As college players… and obviously just an opinion.. Cyril is much more productive than Moreno. I was upset when he decommitted because if I’m a head coach he is my dream center. I’m sorry I just love dirty aggressive players with a F U attitude. Moreno seems like a great kid. Almost to good for my liking. I need a little aggression and attitude from a big man.
The only reason that some players are playing 38 mins is because we have 2 people out and 1 that never really played. If you do the math and other guys were still playing then OO, DA and Chandler mins all go down by 10 to 15 mins each. The only reason we had the run we had is because it is harder to screw up subs when you have less people in the mix. Probably lost at least 3 more games if those guys still playing.
This is exactly right but there is revenue sharing now too
There is not a coach in America more desperate for a recruiting win than Mark Pope. Stokes’ agent knows this.
I am not sure if we overspend for him, like spend that for 2 studs and go portal hunting. I know he seems great on paper, but is he another John Wall or Anothony Davis? I doubt it.
Of course he’s not AD or J Wall. He’s literally right in between them. Not a center or pg but a forward big enough to play down low or good enough handles to control the ball.
We’ve never had a player like him in my lifetime. Maybe Mashburn is the closest thing I can think of.
but maybe you’re right. It’s a big risk taking the unanimous number one player in the country. Let’s go get a couple 6th men portal studs. What are we doing even wasting our time on baby LeBron.
Pope .mght give him Dybansta money just to get that 1 star recruit. Issue is I dont think hes him or Caleb - hes good though. Sadly I think k Pope throws out big money but Stokes still says no - likely tryibg to up offers from others.
Well get 6-7. Tier 2 portal guys everyone will gush over n expect greatness to only come crashing back to reality by mid Jan. Imo
Well get 6-7. Tier 2 portal guys everyone will gush over n expect greatness to only come crashing back to reality by mid Jan. Imo
No you are confused. The rev share cap is only for what the “SCHOOL” can provide. Players can still get unlimited NIL opportunities as long as they are approved by the clearinghouse which apparently approves almost anything. Jordan smith Jr will be getting 3 million at Arkansas so 4-5 for stokes is about where I expect him to be.
Yes I completely understand that. That is exactly what I have said in this thread. I'm talking about the people saying "UK could pay 50 million in NIL next year if they wanted to". No they cannot, they have a cap of 22 million and that is for all sports combined. The NIL deals outside of that, that come from business are unlimited.
Those people aren’t getting technical with it like you are. They are saying UK as in pope and the program with nil collective and all.
If he is not wanting to play here send him on his way. Think this kid is a head case. Tired of those
Collins didn’t like the language in the JMI agreement about them supposedly restricting who they could go get deals from. JMI is good for football with that philosophy and bad for basketball players. Most top bball players don’t need jmi to find deals. I also think he always wanted to stay west.
