OT: Bitcoin, Altcoins, NFT's & All Things Crypto

Rutgers Chris

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Great market summary from someone who has played the last 2-3 years about as good as you possibly could have (mid six figures into $sol at $10-12, rotations into memecoins before they exploded, cashed out 8 figures).

Horrific, depressing and red price action for the past few weeks/months. I’ll share my personal view, as objectively as I can. No hopium or doom posting, just how I currently see it.

Macro / higher-timeframe view
- Given how the market LOOKS right now, it’s increasingly likely BTC marked its ATH around $126k and we’re transitioning into a typical crypto bear market.
- BTC topped roughly within the expected 4-year cycle window.
- A major headwind this cycle has been consistent selling from OG BTC whales once price entered six figures. Over time, supply simply outweighed demand.
- At the same time, equity markets have been extremely strong, repeatedly making new all-time highs. This gave capital little incentive to rotate into crypto when stocks were rewarding dip buyers and holders.
- Last cycle, crypto had explosive, attention-grabbing moves that pulled in TradFi and retail participants. This cycle lacked sustained momentum, so broader participation never really arrived, aside from a few short-lived periods.

Altcoin reality
- Most participants don’t hold much BTC and were positioned for a traditional alt szn blow-off move.
- That never materialised, likely due to the demand issues above.
- It’s hard to blame this purely on “macro liquidity” when equity markets are at ATHs and consistently recover after corrections.
- The hard BTC selling and the 10/10 crash almost certainly muted any chance of an end-of-year blow-off.
- As a result, many portfolios are down heavily even though BTC followed a fairly “textbook” cycle.

So… is it over?
- There isn’t a clean yes/no answer.
- From a higher-timeframe perspective, it does look like the bull phase is over.
- From a short/medium timeframe perspective, crypto is crypto. Bear-market rallies are likely.
- BTC can still do +20–40% moves.
- Alts can still do +50–200% moves.
- The danger is these rallies go just high enough to convince people we’re back, before rolling over harder. Selling “the next bounce” is much harder to execute in reality.

What should you do now? (the hard part)
- This isn’t about what I would do, it’s about what you can emotionally and financially tolerate.
- If you’re holding for a short/medium-term rally to improve your position, you must accept it may not happen or it may happen briefly and reverse violently.
- If you choose to wait, you have to fully own that decision and accept the outcome either way.

Looking further out
- In a traditional bear market, BTC correcting 50–70% from ATH puts us roughly in the $40k–$63k range.
- If the bear market low forms toward late 2026, relative to that timeline we’re not actually that far away, even though it feels like it.
- That’s why I expect a lot of chop and “fuckery” in between, including random rallies.
- As always, things are obvious in hindsight, and it’s very hard to execute big decisions in real time and stay okay with them.

Personally, I’m able to hold out in these conditions. I sold enough several times this year, and I did encourage this during the mini blow off moves we had. Many were more focused on sharing portfolio screenshots than taking profits! 😬 A big mistake I picked up on was taking profits, then reinvesting them into dips, a pattern that can often hit a portfolio hard. I hope this has been a major learning curve and that anyone who took heavy losses can reset and apply those lessons in future cycles (if you choose to play on).

Unfortunately, there’s no straightforward perfect answer on the exact right way forward. There are simply too many factors involved but I hope you can reflect on my thoughts which will at least should help you moving forward somewhat.

PS. One may joke and see this post as a bottom signal for now. Let's see how things play out and as always, may the odds forever be in your favour 💙
 

Scarletnut

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13 billion in Bitcoin options between 100k and 120k will be expiring on 12/26. That could mark the bottom before the next price rise.
 
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T2Kplus20

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13 billion in Bitcoin options between 100k and 120k will be expiring on 12/26. That could mark the bottom before the next price rise.
Wow, that's a lot of leverage. I'm happily only holding my BTC and using my remaining COIN cash playing around with GLD and silver futures. I'm watching the major alts but assume they have a long way to go before bottom.
 

T2Kplus20

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Great market summary from someone who has played the last 2-3 years about as good as you possibly could have (mid six figures into $sol at $10-12, rotations into memecoins before they exploded, cashed out 8 figures).

Horrific, depressing and red price action for the past few weeks/months. I’ll share my personal view, as objectively as I can. No hopium or doom posting, just how I currently see it.

Macro / higher-timeframe view
- Given how the market LOOKS right now, it’s increasingly likely BTC marked its ATH around $126k and we’re transitioning into a typical crypto bear market.
- BTC topped roughly within the expected 4-year cycle window.
- A major headwind this cycle has been consistent selling from OG BTC whales once price entered six figures. Over time, supply simply outweighed demand.
- At the same time, equity markets have been extremely strong, repeatedly making new all-time highs. This gave capital little incentive to rotate into crypto when stocks were rewarding dip buyers and holders.
- Last cycle, crypto had explosive, attention-grabbing moves that pulled in TradFi and retail participants. This cycle lacked sustained momentum, so broader participation never really arrived, aside from a few short-lived periods.

Altcoin reality
- Most participants don’t hold much BTC and were positioned for a traditional alt szn blow-off move.
- That never materialised, likely due to the demand issues above.
- It’s hard to blame this purely on “macro liquidity” when equity markets are at ATHs and consistently recover after corrections.
- The hard BTC selling and the 10/10 crash almost certainly muted any chance of an end-of-year blow-off.
- As a result, many portfolios are down heavily even though BTC followed a fairly “textbook” cycle.

So… is it over?
- There isn’t a clean yes/no answer.
- From a higher-timeframe perspective, it does look like the bull phase is over.
- From a short/medium timeframe perspective, crypto is crypto. Bear-market rallies are likely.
- BTC can still do +20–40% moves.
- Alts can still do +50–200% moves.
- The danger is these rallies go just high enough to convince people we’re back, before rolling over harder. Selling “the next bounce” is much harder to execute in reality.

What should you do now? (the hard part)
- This isn’t about what I would do, it’s about what you can emotionally and financially tolerate.
- If you’re holding for a short/medium-term rally to improve your position, you must accept it may not happen or it may happen briefly and reverse violently.
- If you choose to wait, you have to fully own that decision and accept the outcome either way.

Looking further out
- In a traditional bear market, BTC correcting 50–70% from ATH puts us roughly in the $40k–$63k range.
- If the bear market low forms toward late 2026, relative to that timeline we’re not actually that far away, even though it feels like it.
- That’s why I expect a lot of chop and “fuckery” in between, including random rallies.
- As always, things are obvious in hindsight, and it’s very hard to execute big decisions in real time and stay okay with them.

Personally, I’m able to hold out in these conditions. I sold enough several times this year, and I did encourage this during the mini blow off moves we had. Many were more focused on sharing portfolio screenshots than taking profits! 😬 A big mistake I picked up on was taking profits, then reinvesting them into dips, a pattern that can often hit a portfolio hard. I hope this has been a major learning curve and that anyone who took heavy losses can reset and apply those lessons in future cycles (if you choose to play on).

Unfortunately, there’s no straightforward perfect answer on the exact right way forward. There are simply too many factors involved but I hope you can reflect on my thoughts which will at least should help you moving forward somewhat.

PS. One may joke and see this post as a bottom signal for now. Let's see how things play out and as always, may the odds forever be in your favour 💙
Great stuff, thanks for posting.

I watch Ben Cowen and his Cryptoverse channel. He's a TA expert and thinks we are officially in the next BTC bear market. He stated many times that the alts never pumped this year because retail never got back into crypto (like past cycles). He thinks that chart says BTC will likely bottom around the high 60s (I guess based on the long-term moving average). Any thoughts on this?
 

Rutgers Chris

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Great stuff, thanks for posting.

I watch Ben Cowen and his Cryptoverse channel. He's a TA expert and thinks we are officially in the next BTC bear market. He stated many times that the alts never pumped this year because retail never got back into crypto (like past cycles). He thinks that chart says BTC will likely bottom around the high 60s (I guess based on the long-term moving average). Any thoughts on this?
I think definitionally we are in a bear market. We are >30% down, though it’s only been two months, so not sure that’s considered sustained yet. I think we are in for a little bit less volatility in both directions moving forward. $60k wouldn’t shock me, but I’d be surprised if we see it go too much below that.
 

T2Kplus20

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I think definitionally we are in a bear market. We are >30% down, though it’s only been two months, so not sure that’s considered sustained yet. I think we are in for a little bit less volatility in both directions moving forward. $60k wouldn’t shock me, but I’d be surprised if we see it go too much below that.
Definitely agree on the lower vol with BTC moving forward. Ben Cowen also talked about the possibility of things speeding up.....as in, hitting bottoms or tops quicker. This means, BTC would still go through cycles, but maybe not 4 year anymore due to institutional money and ETFs.

I got stopped out of my FBTC holdings, which was fine since I made plenty of money on them, so I only have my Fidelity Crypto BTC. Did you ever get into Fidelity's service?
 

Rutgers Chris

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Definitely agree on the lower vol with BTC moving forward. Ben Cowen also talked about the possibility of things speeding up.....as in, hitting bottoms or tops quicker. This means, BTC would still go through cycles, but maybe not 4 year anymore due to institutional money and ETFs.

I got stopped out of my FBTC holdings, which was fine since I made plenty of money on them, so I only have my Fidelity Crypto BTC. Did you ever get into Fidelity's service?
I did, I’m custodying my bitcoin with them now. No more ledger stress for bitcoin at least
 
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T2Kplus20

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I did, I’m custodying my bitcoin with them now. No more ledger stress for bitcoin at least
Great! I really like the service. Sure, it is not as flexible as the big crypto sites, but I trust Fidelity and value having my BTC on the same platform as some of my traditional accounts. It also added SOL for future use (then again, the staking ETFs are probably the best option for SOL).
 

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I would be shocked to learn that one of crypto’s biggest black swan events was actually engineered by a prestigious Wall Street firm. It’s funny, the lawsuit drops and the algorithmic bitcoin selling every day at 10 am suddenly stops too. Bitcoin up >10% since.

 

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I would be shocked to learn that one of crypto’s biggest black swan events was actually engineered by a prestigious Wall Street firm. It’s funny, the lawsuit drops and the algorithmic bitcoin selling every day at 10 am suddenly stops too. Bitcoin up >10% since.


TradFi is going to do everything possible to protect TradFi, even tank the Clarity Act so they can keep ripping off the consumer.
 
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I would be shocked to learn that one of crypto’s biggest black swan events was actually engineered by a prestigious Wall Street firm. It’s funny, the lawsuit drops and the algorithmic bitcoin selling every day at 10 am suddenly stops too. Bitcoin up >10% since.


The joys of so-called decentralization
 

RUAldo

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I’d be equally shocked to learn that they do it across asset classes
A basic tenet of capitalism is fraud and corruption. Crypto is just the latest flavor, or perhaps worse, because retail has no clue what it’s all about. Buying something they don’t understand.
 

RUfromSoCal?

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Mt Gox to FTX - it never changes -- just one scam after another and someone explaining "no you don't understand...."
 

Rutgers Chris

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Just like Wall Street. Humans and humans.

Enron to WorldCom, Tyco International, Lehman Brothers, Bernie Madoff, Wells Fargo, Archegos Capital Management, Barings Bank, Stanford Financial Group, AIG, Freddie Mac, Goldman Sachs, 1MDB, Theranos, Volkswagen, Wirecard, Luckin Coffee, Waste Management Inc., HealthSouth, Siemens, Toshiba, Olympus, General Electric, ZZZZ Best, Bre-X Minerals, Cendant, BCCI, Satyam Computer Services, Centennial Technologies, Adelphia Communications, Peregrine Systems, Global Crossing, Sunbeam, Waste Management, Saytam- it never changes -- just one scam after another and someone explaining "no you don't understand...."
 

T2Kplus20

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Enron to WorldCom, Tyco International, Lehman Brothers, Bernie Madoff, Wells Fargo, Archegos Capital Management, Barings Bank, Stanford Financial Group, AIG, Freddie Mac, Goldman Sachs, 1MDB, Theranos, Volkswagen, Wirecard, Luckin Coffee, Waste Management Inc., HealthSouth, Siemens, Toshiba, Olympus, General Electric, ZZZZ Best, Bre-X Minerals, Cendant, BCCI, Satyam Computer Services, Centennial Technologies, Adelphia Communications, Peregrine Systems, Global Crossing, Sunbeam, Waste Management, Saytam- it never changes -- just one scam after another and someone explaining "no you don't understand...."
LOL! Nothing to see here. Only crypto is corrupt. :)
 

RUAldo

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At minimum, this sums up 99.9% of altcoins! :)
I’ve seen stats that 95% of NFTs are worthless and have zero transaction activity. I remember the debates on this thread. Anyone that lost money on an NFT thinking it was legit and had any value other than pure FOMO speculation should look in the mirror and repeat “I am a stupid person” 1000 times.
 
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Rutgers Chris

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I’ve seen stats that 95% of NFTs are worthless and have zero transaction activity. I remember the debates on this thread. Anyone that lost money on an NFT thinking it was legit and had any value other than pure FOMO speculation should look in the mirror and repeat “I am a stupid person” 1000 times.
The amount of free money/airdrops I received as an nft holder made it very worth it. Could have sold earlier as is always the case but still well worth it. NFT’s walked so meme coins could run.
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RUAldo

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The amount of free money/airdrops I received as an nft holder made it very worth it. Could have sold earlier as is always the case but still well worth it. NFT’s walked so meme coins could run.
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Note that I said “lost money”…free money/airdrops different assuming you didn’t actually believe NFT/digital art was for real…BS like the BAYC could possibly be one of the dumbest scams in the history of mankind. I can understand how people get roped into complex financial schemes - but ridiculous digital pics of poorly sketched apes? Come on - that **** is just straight bonkers.
 

Rutgers Chris

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Note that I said “lost money”…free money/airdrops different assuming you didn’t actually believe NFT/digital art was for real…BS like the BAYC could possibly be one of the dumbest scams in the history of mankind. I can understand how people get roped into complex financial schemes - but ridiculous digital pics of poorly sketched apes? Come on - that **** is just straight bonkers.
One of the benefits of holding NFT’s was airdrop access. So while I didn’t value the actual art I valued holding.

The lucky few who minted BAYC, cryptopunks, moonbirds, etc made generational wealth and were geniuses in marketing by having celebrities front for them. Watch, they’ll even pull off one more nft run for nostalgia and one last pump
 

RUAldo

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One of the benefits of holding NFT’s was airdrop access. So while I didn’t value the actual art I valued holding.

The lucky few who minted BAYC, cryptopunks, moonbirds, etc made generational wealth and were geniuses in marketing by having celebrities front for them. Watch, they’ll even pull off one more nft run for nostalgia and one last pump
You know those “lucky few” are criminals right? Selling pet rocks is one thing. But creating a fake market through false statements, celebrity shills, etc. is fraud. Too bad politicians don’t care about idiots that lose money to snakes.
 

Rutgers Chris

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You know those “lucky few” are criminals right? Selling pet rocks is one thing. But creating a fake market through false statements, celebrity shills, etc. is fraud. Too bad politicians don’t care about idiots that lose money to snakes.
Fraud is a basic tenant of capitalism.
 
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