Can we admit we have a Trans

Jfcarter3

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Without giving it too much credit because it is under a microscope, it is certainly interesting. We don't know all the numbers, but it does seem that there is, at least recently, a disproportionately high percentage of shootings that are committed by trans individuals. There is probably more to that, honestly.

There are far more serial killers that are men than women and historically far more mass shooters have been men. My bet is that the trans shooters that you highlight so often are men transitioning to women, not the other way around. On top of that, I cannot imagine what it must be like in someone's brain who truly thinks that they are the wrong gender. I just cannot imagine. While it is certainly not a clinical mental illness, having those thoughts and trying to work your way through it is probably not easy. And the dedication to the belief in the wrong gender is so much so, I might add, that many are willing to engage in significant, body-altering surgeries. That's a different level of commitment. Put these things together, the propensity of individuals born male to commit these acts coupled with the heightened level of commitment in general to do the thing (let's be honest: you commit one of these crimes you are either dying by LE, maybe taking your own life, or spending the rest of your life in jail), and I can see it.
 
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firegiver

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so far this year ICE has shot 2 people and the Trans community has shot something like 38. Not defending or attacking either, but wouldn't/shouldn't we spending a little time attempting to figure out how to deal with this issue.
I would support that if I saw any evidence that these murderers were the way that they were because they were Trans. Yall should try math every once in a while to actually objectively research a subject. Like you could take the total population of a Trans community and divide by the number of murderers in their population. That could be useful information.
So if your going to claim something like what you've just stated, you need some facts.

Like this: Fact: ICE is the government, paid for by our tax dollars. Comparing them to private citizens that are largely not affiliated with each other in any meaningful way, is silly. Objectively.
Although, while thinking about it, how many ICE officers or police officers in general have cases of domestic abuse against them? Maybe we should research that.
If you would like to do some research, maybe, again use some math.
 

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I would support that if I saw any evidence that these murderers were the way that they were because they were Trans. Yall should try math every once in a while to actually objectively research a subject. Like you could take the total population of a Trans community and divide by the number of murderers in their population. That could be useful information.
So if your going to claim something like what you've just stated, you need some facts.

Like this: Fact: ICE is the government, paid for by our tax dollars. Comparing them to private citizens that are largely not affiliated with each other in any meaningful way, is silly. Objectively.
Although, while thinking about it, how many ICE officers or police officers in general have cases of domestic abuse against them? Maybe we should research that.
If you would like to do some research, maybe, again use some math.
well seems like if you have one person shoot another you don't need to research what % of a specific group that person is from. One murder still totals 1 murder.

Trying to filter through % of some population is a nice exercise, but it doesn't mask the fact that one person murdered one person. If you come from a family of 20 people and shoot someone, it's kind of ridiculous to portray that as on 5% of the firegiver family killed someone whereas the migrant community only killed 4.5%

Using your formula, there are 22000 ICE agents they killed only 2 people, that's .00009 rate, which is far below the migrant murder rate. kind of a dumb comparison, no?
 

firegiver

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well seems like if you have one person shoot another you don't need to research what % of a specific group that person is from. One murder still totals 1 murder.

Trying to filter through % of some population is a nice exercise, but it doesn't mask the fact that one person murdered one person. If you come from a family of 20 people and shoot someone, it's kind of ridiculous to portray that as on 5% of the firegiver family killed someone whereas the migrant community only killed 4.5%

Using your formula, there are 22000 ICE agents they killed only 2 people, that's .00009 rate, which is far below the migrant murder rate. kind of a dumb comparison, no?
Your either purposely being obtuse or you can't hold two things in your head at the same time. I gave you grace, convince me. Yet your not. You are spending your efforts in left field chasing butterflies.
 

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Conservatives: “trans people are mentally ill we need to do something!!”

doctors: “the single most effective treatment we’ve found is transitioning, which includes hormone replacement and other medical procedures and also simply calling them by the name and pronouns they wish to use”

conservatives: “no!”
 

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Conservatives: “trans people are mentally ill we need to do something!!”

doctors: “the single most effective treatment we’ve found is transitioning, which includes hormone replacement and other medical procedures and also simply calling them by the name and pronouns they wish to use”

conservatives: “no!”
It's about the cruelty


 
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Fac

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so far this year ICE has shot 2 people and the Trans community has shot something like 38. Not defending or attacking either, but wouldn't/shouldn't we spending a little time attempting to figure out how to deal with this issue.
Don't forget about the 2,000 or so Americans murdered or had crimes against them from the illegals that Biden/Harris let in.
 

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Conservatives: “trans people are mentally ill we need to do something!!”

doctors: “the single most effective treatment we’ve found is transitioning, which includes hormone replacement and other medical procedures and also simply calling them by the name and pronouns they wish to use”

conservatives: “no!”
It's about the cruelty


 
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Jfcarter3

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Don't forget about the 2,000 or so Americans murdered or had crimes against them from the illegals that Biden/Harris let in.
Are these illegals also trans? Or is even imagining that concept the most horrifying thing ever? I mean, if trans kill at a Bubonic Plague rate and if illegals kill at a Spanish Flu rate then an illegal trans would be like the Indoraptor or perhaps the Scorpius Rex from Jurassic World. Straight pearl clutcher.




Wrong thread. That has nothing to do with the topic here.
 

fatpiggy

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This is just so wrong. How can people perpetuate this mental illness? This is what metal illness looks like. People laugh, but sometimes it's hard to tell if you have never had to deal with a mentally ill person before.

 
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This is just so wrong. How can people perpetuate this mental illness? This is what metal illness looks like. People laugh, but sometimes it's hard to tell if you have never had to deal with a mentally ill person before.


Sigh. Act like an idiot, then become the victim.
 

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Yall should try math every once in a while to actually objectively research a subject. Like you could take the total population of a Trans community and divide by the number of murderers in their population. That could be useful information.
So if your going to claim something like what you've just stated, you need some facts.

The math exercise is pretty simple. Look at the shootings relative to their % of the population. Let’s say that half of mass shooters have been trans over the last few years and half have been non-trans (I believe more have actually been trans, but we will keep it simple).

Around 1% of the country is trans. 99% is not. So if the same number of mass shootings are committed by each group, trans people are 99 times more likely to commit mass shootings. That’s an overwhelming statistic.
 

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Conservatives: “trans people are mentally ill we need to do something!!”

doctors: “the single most effective treatment we’ve found is transitioning, which includes hormone replacement and other medical procedures and also simply calling them by the name and pronouns they wish to use”

conservatives: “no!”
You can’t convince me that transitioning is a sound medical decision. Something is wrong if that is truly the best path forward.
 

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Are you trans or is he just name calling?

Wut? Drugs are bad, mmkay? It's Hunter1974 ... he's a frothing psycho ... and you took him even somewhat seriously?!? No, I'm not trans, you idiot. Are you trans?
 
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You can’t convince me that transitioning is a sound medical decision. Something is wrong if that is truly the best path forward.

When someone says "you can't convince me" ... what's anyone supposed to do from there? You just announced that you're shut off from any further logical thought ... no one can convince you ... nothing can convince you.

Two things can be true ... something can be wrong, if that is truly the best path forward, and it could be the best path forward. If someone has schizophrenia, something is wrong. The best path forward may be drug treatment ... or something else.

I'm not saying that transitioning is the best path forward - I don't know enough about the subject ... I'm just saying that your attitude and assessment is, itself, a problem.

Personally, from my limited knowledge on the subject, transgenderism largely appears to be some manifestation of a mental illness or some mental trauma. But, again, I don't know enough about it. But, even if it is some "sickness," is it the right avenue to treat them the way psychos like JohnHughsPartner treat them? Mocking. Taunting. Trying to make them out to be an enemy. A villain. That doesn't seem to help anyone, does it? In most cases, it would tend to make things worse.

What we end up with is two extremes shouting at each other ... the progressives demanding we accept whatever the trans community demands ... and the bigots who want to snuff them out, because they're villains and freaks.

Meanwhile, the middle is once again left to try to handle things like the adults in the room amidst the shouting back and forth by the extremists.
 

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When someone says "you can't convince me" ... what's anyone supposed to do from there? You just announced that you're shut off from any further logical thought ... no one can convince you ... nothing can convince you.

Two things can be true ... something can be wrong, if that is truly the best path forward, and it could be the best path forward. If someone has schizophrenia, something is wrong. The best path forward may be drug treatment ... or something else.

I'm not saying that transitioning is the best path forward - I don't know enough about the subject ... I'm just saying that your attitude and assessment is, itself, a problem.

Personally, from my limited knowledge on the subject, transgenderism largely appears to be some manifestation of a mental illness or some mental trauma. But, again, I don't know enough about it. But, even if it is some "sickness," is it the right avenue to treat them the way psychos like JohnHughsPartner treat them? Mocking. Taunting. Trying to make them out to be an enemy. A villain. That doesn't seem to help anyone, does it? In most cases, it would tend to make things worse.

What we end up with is two extremes shouting at each other ... the progressives demanding we accept whatever the trans community demands ... and the bigots who want to snuff them out, because they're villains and freaks.

Meanwhile, the middle is once again left to try to handle things like the adults in the room amidst the shouting back and forth by the extremists.
lol at this freak trying to cover up its mental illness
 

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lol Your old buddy @PawPride is posting on the MB now
Idc man. I really don’t. He’s a strange dude, to just continue to double down on something that’s so ridiculous and inconsequential is weird to me. It was obvious he was wrong, like completely wrong, yet it was so important for him to be right, he took a bet that he knew he’d lose vs just taking the medicine. That’s a suicidal relationship to your beliefs. Pretty common for leftists apparently. Any parent on planet earth absolutely knows that teachers will impact their children more than a president. And most adults, when asked about formative year development for themselves probably don’t cite the presidential administration in their youth as being critical to that development. It’s a weird position. It’s why 80% of the poll agreed with me.
 

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When someone says "you can't convince me" ... what's anyone supposed to do from there? You just announced that you're shut off from any further logical thought ... no one can convince you ... nothing can convince you.

Two things can be true ... something can be wrong, if that is truly the best path forward, and it could be the best path forward. If someone has schizophrenia, something is wrong. The best path forward may be drug treatment ... or something else.

I'm not saying that transitioning is the best path forward - I don't know enough about the subject ... I'm just saying that your attitude and assessment is, itself, a problem.

Personally, from my limited knowledge on the subject, transgenderism largely appears to be some manifestation of a mental illness or some mental trauma. But, again, I don't know enough about it. But, even if it is some "sickness," is it the right avenue to treat them the way psychos like JohnHughsPartner treat them? Mocking. Taunting. Trying to make them out to be an enemy. A villain. That doesn't seem to help anyone, does it? In most cases, it would tend to make things worse.

What we end up with is two extremes shouting at each other ... the progressives demanding we accept whatever the trans community demands ... and the bigots who want to snuff them out, because they're villains and freaks.

Meanwhile, the middle is once again left to try to handle things like the adults in the room amidst the shouting back and forth by the extremists.
There’s some pretty definitive studies coming out of Europe, where transing kids is more prevalent. The data is staggering, children are exponentially worse off after transing. They need mental help, not a psycho that wants to chop their sexual organs off or give them life altering drugs.
 

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There’s some pretty definitive studies coming out of Europe, where transing kids is more prevalent. The data is staggering, children are exponentially worse off after transing. They need mental help, not a psycho that wants to chop their sexual organs off or give them life altering drugs.

I'm not speaking about children. That's a different subtopic. Obviously the way you treat children, medically or otherwise, is different than the way you treat adults ... especially when you're dealing with the time period concerning the mind/body's natural significant changes (i.e. puberty).

Based on my completely layman's understanding of things, I would support holding off on any physical alterations until they are of age and puberty has run its course. But, again, your characterization of things is doing absolutely no good to anyone. "psycho that wants to chop their sexual organs off" ... you have to start adulting, and stop being a tool of the online trolling community. This environment you, and others like you, are creating, is helping absolutely no one ... and probably exacerbating the issues these folks face.

Note that my commentary doesn't concern those who are chromosomal variants (not everyone is XX or XY) ... those folks often face an entirely different situation ... but, again, no one is helped by the anti-trans trolls lumping them in with the general trans populace and then talking about psychos, freaks and so forth.