I don't understand

[TigerGrowls]

@baltimorened, please see my earlier post as it was my best and most earnest:


So a few points here:

• People tend to resent false choices, which is this
• The use of the term "illegal" in the line was purposefully divisive. Do you think that they would have included the line if they thought Democrats would have just stood up and clapped? I don't. To take it a step further, if Trump had included the term "wetback" in front of "illegals", would you still think everyone should have clapped?
• The oath Congress takes doesn't discuss citizens at all. It's to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies. Case law is very clear that the bulk of Constitutional protections apply to citizens and "illegals" equally (so again it's a false choice)
• I'm admittedly not as practiced in the use of intentionally divisive language as Trump and your comrades on this board are (it's a key tenet of mine that people should not be disparaged for immutable characteristics) so I'm at a disadvantage here. If Obama had said "please stand if you agree that we should have religious freedom in this country and not empower bitter people, clinging to their guns and religion, protecting catholic pederasts", do you think the GOP should have clapped?

Illegal aliens do not have constitutional protections on the level of a citizen. Illegal being the keyword.

 

[baltimorened]

You wrote about Democrats lacking "moral courage" in the very post of yours to which I responded. So I merely used the same terminology you did. That was neither a sore note nor deflection on my part.

And I would not disagree with the notion that a government's responsibility includes protection of its (note lack of an apostrophe in its) citizens. Which is one reason why I find ICE roughing up and shooting U.S. citizens so objectionable. You apparently do not.

not accurate....you're interpreting incorrectly. I find ICE's tactics to be be over the top. However, apparently unlike you, I am prepared to wait for a complete investigation before I am ready to definitively accuse either Good, Pretti or the agents of being guilty of something.

I also find it unique that so far we have only use ICE actions in Minneapolis as the basket into which we throw all ICE agents. As I've posted, there are 22,000 agents and the focus is on about 6....there has not been the same "outrage" about agent actions in Florida, Memphis or most other locations..

Surely there was a class in law schools somewhere about specificity of evidence. You want to state "ICE agents in Minneapolis" that's fine. But, all ICE agents are not roughing up or shooting US citizens.

 

[fatpiggy]

I was at a Gracie Jiu-Jitsu seminar hosted by one Renner Gracie. He said to raise your hand if you were willing to do whatever it took to be as good as you could be at Jiu-Jitsu. Everyone but me raised their hands and I just sort of gave Renner a shrug when he called me out. Whatever it takes could be anything and I felt like showing up twice a week was close to my max. My sensei was not proud.

This is funny. Good for you

 

[fatpiggy]

Illegal aliens do not have constitutional protections on the level of a citizen. Illegal being the keyword.

Correct. Illegals are not a part of “We The People”

 

[JohnHughsPartner]

not accurate....you're interpreting incorrectly. I find ICE's tactics to be be over the top. However, apparently unlike you, I am prepared to wait for a complete investigation before I am ready to definitively accuse either Good, Pretti or the agents of being guilty of something.

I also find it unique that so far we have only use ICE actions in Minneapolis as the basket into which we throw all ICE agents. As I've posted, there are 22,000 agents and the focus is on about 6....there has not been the same "outrage" about agent actions in Florida, Memphis or most other locations..

Surely there was a class in law schools somewhere about specificity of evidence. You want to state "ICE agents in Minneapolis" that's fine. But, all ICE agents are not roughing up or shooting US citizens.

Florida and Tennessee are red states. Their government officials don’t encourage terrorizing federal agents that are there to do their job.

 

[baltimorened]

Florida and Tennessee are red states. Their government officials don’t encourage terrorizing federal agents that are there to do their job.

somehow, some of us don't seem to believe that makes a difference.

 

[MTTiger19]

Yes

We are 36 TRILLION dollars in debt. We pay more to the interest on our loans than we allocate to our entire defense budget. WTH are you talking about. How on earth do you figure we can afford that. This type of thinking is the problem. If you were $360,000 in debt and bringing home $50,000 a year in income would you be giving your money away to people you don’t know in places you don’t care about and will never visit? Insanity. We are so cooked. People like you will debase the dollar to the point where we will be buying $1,000 loaves of bread. Wake up. That jui jitsu coach needs to smack some sense into you.

 

[JohnHughsPartner]

somehow, some of us don't seem to believe that makes a difference.

Yea, well “some of us” are mentally ill

 

[SDTiger9]

well, there can be little debate that borrowing money to send it overseas makes little or no sense. But this is not a partisan issue, both democrat and republican administrations have been doing it for decades. Same goes for all the free benefits for undocumented migrants. Mamdani goes before the media a week ago and laments a $2billion hole in his budget and a week later advertises free childcare for undoucment migrant children...what???

Can you imagine the economics where the debt was $20 trillion or $10 trillion? Interest rates would be lower , lots more money for investment in the US......we're borrowing ourselves into oblivion and the elected officials don't seem to care.

You know when you get to the point of the “what else can we do cause both Pubs/Dems do it” as your argument?

There is a fatalist end to the discussion. For me, it’s just beginning. Why continue to support these thieves that only do this to curry favor with certain economic and personal enrichment?

The American people are too afraid of their government. Khanna and Massie are demonstrating what it can be. Actual real leadership.

They have single handedly exposed the cancer. Some of those people arrested, fired, resigned from OLD EMAILS.

Im stunned at the lack of intestinal fortitude of my peers. Why do some of the people continue to see through the lense of blue and red? It’s like they prefer abuse.

 

[fatpiggy]

You know when you get to the point of the “what else can we do cause both Pubs/Dems do it” as your argument?

There is a fatalist end to the discussion. For me, it’s just beginning. Why continue to support these thieves that only do this to curry favor with certain economic and personal enrichment?

The American people are too afraid of their government. Khanna and Massie are demonstrating what it can be. Actual real leadership.

They have single handedly exposed the cancer. Some of those people arrested, fired, resigned from OLD EMAILS.

Im stunned at the lack of intestinal fortitude of my peers. Why do some of the people continue to see through the lense of blue and red? It’s like they prefer abuse.

Why do we continue to see through the lens of red and blue? Because that is the path to power whether you like it or not.

 

[SDTiger9]

Why do we continue to see through the lens of red and blue? Because that is the path to power whether you like it or not.

I’m very familiar. Then why do Blue or Red people actually think it’s going to get better with that version of leadership?

Or they are know it’s not deep down and it’s simply their team in power over the other guy and **** reform for the country. I’d rather go down in flames with my version of incompetence?

 

[fatpiggy]

I’m very familiar. Then why do Blue or Red people actually think it’s going to get better with that version of leadership?

Or they are know it’s not deep down and it’s simply their team in power over the other guy and **** reform for the country. I’d rather go down in flames with my version of incompetence?

I also don't like the two party system. However, I also recognize the chance that it changes during my lifetime are slim to none and i have accepted that. I don't blame you for wanting it to go down in a ball of flames.

 

[SDTiger9]

I also don't like the two party system. However, I also recognize the chance that it changes during my lifetime are slim to none and i have accepted that. I don't blame you for wanting it to go down in a ball of flames.

My friend. I’m right there with you.

There’s a giant glob of things we accept in our lives. We accept them or take the next alternative. We do it all the time. It’s a new desired preference or holding the prior thing accountable for no longer fulfilling the need(s).

Even with a spouse. Allegedly 2 people who desire a life long commitment to work together - 41% of first marriages in the United States end in divorce, 60% second and 73% third marriages. See the trend line when you’ve played the same game again and again. It ends quickly.

I know we have this comfort / defeatist mentality around the parties. There’s a held belief they have the place on lockdown. At the same time, 2 principled men. TWO, have singlehandedly demonstrated that parties do not matter.

A rebirth of principled behavior is necessary to save our young people and the future of whatever the USA will become. The amount of **** they’ve been exposed to all their lives. The selfishness has to stop.

I’d vote for a Massie Khanna ticket tomorrow. Humanity can’t be a 24/7 coercion system. It’ll kill itself.