Trump's Immigration plan

[baltimorened]

So it's relatively clear what Trumps plan is for all those in the country illegally.....

It's also relatively clear that the democrats en masse are against whatever plan Trump has....

Can someone explain for me what the democrat plan is to deal with the illegal migrants currently in the country, and what their plan is for either keeping the border closed or reopening it.

I'm just trying to understand what democrat leadership would do differently from the current administration one. How do you guys see it?

 

[Burgess Diesel]

My assumption is honestly that the Democrats and Republicans are really not far off in terms of wanting to prevent illegal immigration and deport those who are here. I do think the method specifically with how ICE has been managed would be completely different.
I believe it to be objective that much of ICE's personel right now are unqualified for the position (whether that be simply because of their ability, or their lack of training).
There's been a "rush" to deport folks and I believe that to be more politically driven than in an effort to actually remove "bad guys". I would hope that the Democrats would actually take a slower approach that would actually be more effective.

Again though, I think the disconnect has more to do with how this is all being handled and managed than it is about this perceived notion that the left wants to defend and keep illegals in this country.

 

[yoshi121374]

My assumption is honestly that the Democrats and Republicans are really not far off in terms of wanting to prevent illegal immigration and deport those who are here. I do think the method specifically with how ICE has been managed would be completely different.
I believe it to be objective that much of ICE's personel right now are unqualified for the position (whether that be simply because of their ability, or their lack of training).
There's been a "rush" to deport folks and I believe that to be more politically driven than in an effort to actually remove "bad guys". I would hope that the Democrats would actually take a slower approach that would actually be more effective.

Again though, I think the disconnect has more to do with how this is all being handled and managed than it is about this perceived notion that the left wants to defend and keep illegals in this country.

Exactly. Nobody on this board is against removing illegal immigrants, nobody so against getting rid of criminals. That doesn't mean you can't disagree with the way this is being attempted and accomplished.

Put it this way... I would assume that every person on this board agrees that shoplifting is wrong and should be punished. What if the government decided the punishment was to be Execution? I would assume many wouldn't support that.

One of the major issues with our electorate and our parties is we willfully ignore nuance and any actual learning about the issue and challenges. Immigrants bad, if you disagree with how they are removed, you now suddenly support bringing on all immigrants, open borders, and want Laken Riley to be killed.

 

[m.knox]

One of the major issues with our electorate and our parties is we willfully ignore nuance and any actual learning about the issue and challenges. Immigrants bad, if you disagree with how they are removed, you now suddenly support bringing on all immigrants, open borders, and want Laken Riley to be killed.

Ok, you seem to be on to something. So if one voted for Trump, does that make one misogynistic, homophobic, transphobic, xenophobic, racist, fascist, sexist, nazi and whatever else has been spewed these last 11 years?

 

[yoshi121374]

Ok, you seem to be on to something. So if one voted for Trump, does that make one misogynistic, homophobic, transphobic, xenophobic, racist, fascist, sexist, nazi and whatever else has been spewed these last 11 years?

No.

However, all of those people do vote for Trump and gravitate to his message.

 

[m.knox]

No.

However, all of those people do vote for Trump and gravitate to his message.

Good to hear.

What message are you speaking of specifically? Fair trade? Reliance on imports? Secure borders? Mitigating illegal immigration? National defense? Having the world pay their fair share for global defense?

 

[Fac]

No.

However, all of those people do vote for Trump and gravitate to his message.

If the left wants the illegals out, why didn't they protest against Biden/Harris when they were letting in the 11 million?
Something doesn't add up.

 

[Fac]

No.

However, all of those people do vote for Trump and gravitate to his message.

Kind of generalizing there, aren't you?

 

[yoshi121374]

If the left wants the illegals out, why didn't they protest against Biden/Harris when they were letting in the 11 million?
Something doesn't add up.

First because they didn't let in 11 million.

And many were unhappy with how the border was handled. There was a bipartisan immigration bill that would have passed if Trump hadn't killed it so he could run on the issue.

 

[yoshi121374]

Kind of generalizing there, aren't you?

As I've said a bunch, not all MAGA voters are White Supremacists, but all White Supremacists vote MAGA.

 

[yoshi121374]

Good to hear.

What message are you speaking of specifically? Fair trade? Reliance on imports? Secure borders? Mitigating illegal immigration? National defense? Having the world pay their fair share for global defense?

Hatred and victim hood.

 

[nytigerfan]

So it's relatively clear what Trumps plan is for all those in the country illegally.....

It's also relatively clear that the democrats en masse are against whatever plan Trump has....

Can someone explain for me what the democrat plan is to deal with the illegal migrants currently in the country, and what their plan is for either keeping the border closed or reopening it.

I'm just trying to understand what democrat leadership would do differently from the current administration one. How do you guys see it?

There are two issues at the core:

- the definition of "illegal". Someone who came here and was granted temporary asylum, is not "illegal". Sadly, I think the right disagrees. When ICE raids a farm or a factory, they are obviously not rounding up criminals.

- due process: the interpretation of the constitution seems to be at odds. Dems take the constitution literally, republicans make the "thats what it says but not what it means" approach. "persons" are being denied due process. This is a violation of the constitution.


No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

 

[m.knox]

Hatred and victim hood.

You are going to have to expand on that. The hatred I see is from the left. I've pointed it out several times.

 

[Fac]

First because they didn't let in 11 million.

And many were unhappy with how the border was handled. There was a bipartisan immigration bill that would have passed if Trump hadn't killed it so he could run on the issue.

Ok 9 million.

Never read it here that many of the left was unhappy. Never was a negative post about Biden and Harris was ever made.
Even with all of his gawfs.

 

[dpic73]

Ok 9 million.

Never read it here that many of the left was unhappy. Never was a negative post about Biden and Harris was ever made.
Even with all of his gawfs.

So if there are 14 million undocumented immigrants total, are you telling me there were only 5 million here before Biden was elected?

Let's just be honest here, you don't have a f'in clue and you're just throwing out numbers that make you feel good.

 

[Fac]

So if there are 14 million undocumented immigrants total, are you telling me there were only 5 million here before Biden was elected?

Let's just be honest here, you don't have a f'in clue and you're just throwing out numbers that make you feel good.

Find a poll!

 

[baltimorened]

There are two issues at the core:

- the definition of "illegal". Someone who came here and was granted temporary asylum, is not "illegal". Sadly, I think the right disagrees. When ICE raids a farm or a factory, they are obviously not rounding up criminals.

- due process: the interpretation of the constitution seems to be at odds. Dems take the constitution literally, republicans make the "thats what it says but not what it means" approach. "persons" are being denied due process. This is a violation of the constitution.


No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

thanks, that's more in line with what I had hoped this thread would deliver...two good points....who actually is illegal and due process

 

[baltimorened]

thanks, that's more in line with what I had hoped this thread would deliver...two good points....who actually is illegal and due process

so can anybody expand on these two? ....I'll start with the first...it is my understanding that if someone came here on probation or any of Biden's authorized plans they are here legally, same with anyone who has asked for and been granted asylum.....until they get a hearing at which point they are either granted authority to stay or set for deportation. And therein lies the problem ...the immigration courts are backed up for years. So we get into a situation where someone comes today, waits years for a hearing is deemed deportable, and then we all complain how unfair it is to deport someone who has been in the country for so long.

On the due process, can someone with more knowledge pitch in?

 

[yoshi121374]

so can anybody expand on these two? ....I'll start with the first...it is my understanding that if someone came here on probation or any of Biden's authorized plans they are here legally, same with anyone who has asked for and been granted asylum.....until they get a hearing at which point they are either granted authority to stay or set for deportation. And therein lies the problem ...the immigration courts are backed up for years. So we get into a situation where someone comes today, waits years for a hearing is deemed deportable, and then we all complain how unfair it is to deport someone who has been in the country for so long.

On the due process, can someone with more knowledge pitch in?

And the bipartisan bill that Trump killed was primarily to add more judges and speed up that process.

 

[m.knox]

You are going to have to expand on that. The hatred I see is from the left. I've pointed it out several times.

This isn't new yet most lefties pretend it isn't happening, and those that do acknowledge it is happening, it's ANECDOTAL. lol..

 

[dpic73]

This isn't new yet most lefties pretend it isn't happening, and those that do acknowledge it is happening, it's ANECDOTAL. lol..

In other words, he needs you to vote R to save himself millions in taxes.

 

[UrHuckleberry]

If the left wants the illegals out, why didn't they protest against Biden/Harris when they were letting in the 11 million?
Something doesn't add up.

If it helps, that is a made up number.

 

[UrHuckleberry]

Ok 9 million.

Never read it here that many of the left was unhappy. Never was a negative post about Biden and Harris was ever made.
Even with all of his gawfs.

Were you even around during Biden/Harris?

 

[UrHuckleberry]

so can anybody expand on these two? ....I'll start with the first...it is my understanding that if someone came here on probation or any of Biden's authorized plans they are here legally, same with anyone who has asked for and been granted asylum.....until they get a hearing at which point they are either granted authority to stay or set for deportation. And therein lies the problem ...the immigration courts are backed up for years. So we get into a situation where someone comes today, waits years for a hearing is deemed deportable, and then we all complain how unfair it is to deport someone who has been in the country for so long.

On the due process, can someone with more knowledge pitch in?

As yoshi said, this is what kills me. The bill proposed, while not perfect, was too harsh for many on the left, and not strict enough for many on the right, aka, you know, a compromise. Was even endorsed by the CBP as it gave funding for more agents, funded some more fences/walls/etc, got more judges etc to try to speed up all these outstanding cases, so that they didn't have to be here for years waiting for a hearing. I don't think it was perfect, but it helped with a lot of things that people complain about.

 

[m.knox]

In other words, he needs you to vote R to save himself millions in taxes.

No, I take it on face value that the democratic party has changed to the party of division and hate.

You have to admit he was right. The "dirty tricks" did commence courtesy of the left.

 

[dpic73]

No, I take it on face value that the democratic party has changed to the party of division and hate.

You have to admit he was right. The "dirty tricks" did commence courtesy of the left.

Wrong. You don't get to smear an entire party based on the way your Dem wife treats you.

 

[baltimorened]

If it helps, that is a made up number.

of course it's a made up number. why? because nobody really knows how many people are in the country illegally. To me that's a major part of the problem. How do you fix it when you don't know how badly it's broken.

 

[baltimorened]

As yoshi said, this is what kills me. The bill proposed, while not perfect, was too harsh for many on the left, and not strict enough for many on the right, aka, you know, a compromise. Was even endorsed by the CBP as it gave funding for more agents, funded some more fences/walls/etc, got more judges etc to try to speed up all these outstanding cases, so that they didn't have to be here for years waiting for a hearing. I don't think it was perfect, but it helped with a lot of things that people complain about.

the problem with the bill...not with the verbiage, was that the house was not even going to bring it to committee much less to the floor.

It's important to understand a little how the Congress works. Just because one chamber agrees to something is meaningless. If there is going to be successful legislation members of both have to be working on it to ensure passage through the process. Then throw the white house into the process as well to make sure president will sign it.

There was lots of info coming out of the Senate Bipartisan group which was, in fact, meaningless to the overall process. The Senate knew the bill was going nowhere. They could have had a 100-0 vote, it was already dead in the house.

 

[m.knox]

Wrong. You don't get to smear an entire party based on the way your Dem wife treats you.

LOL... No, I will not have sex with you.

We get to SMEAR an entire party based on their behavior. Yes, we do. No go scratch a Tesla you moron.

 

[dpic73]

LOL... No, I will not have sex with you.

We get to SMEAR an entire party based on their behavior. Yes, we do. No go scratch a Tesla you moron.

?

I don't think your synapses are firing.

 

[m.knox]

?

I don't think your synapses are firing.

Go scratch a Tesla...........

This is what you arseclowns do.

 

[dpic73]

Go scratch a Tesla...........

This is what you arseclowns do.

 

[m.knox]

 

[Cabotiger]

There are two issues at the core:

- the definition of "illegal". Someone who came here and was granted temporary asylum, is not "illegal". Sadly, I think the right disagrees. When ICE raids a farm or a factory, they are obviously not rounding up criminals.

- due process: the interpretation of the constitution seems to be at odds. Dems take the constitution literally, republicans make the "thats what it says but not what it means" approach. "persons" are being denied due process. This is a violation of the constitution.


No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Oh wow, you're back? I guess permaban bets don't mean much to you fvcking hypocrite.
I'm glad Mamdami is your new mayor so he can tax the hell out of you and pillage your property like his Lt Mayor wants, because she doesn't believe in private property ownership despite her mom owning a million dollar piece of property in Ky.
Welcome back pvssie, I knew you couldn't stay away because most libbies are hypocrites.

By the way, someone overstaying their Visa is a civil offense, whereas someone crossing the border illegally is a FEDERALoffense and no due process is deserved unless they went through the proper channels BEFORE entering the US. Mexico, Costa Rica and a host of other Latin countries don't just allow people to cross into their country without permission, I know because I lived there as opposed to you tourists that come in for a week and leave hungover.

Good luck buddy and I hope you enjoy that call to prayer screeching 5 times a day in the NYC ******** it has become while the Islamic culture takes over Time Square blocking traffic so they can prayer to the pedo Mohammad.

 

[nytigerfan]

Oh wow, you're back? I guess permaban bets don't mean much to you fvcking hypocrite.
I'm glad Mamdami is your new mayor so he can tax the hell out of you and pillage your property like his Lt Mayor wants, because she doesn't believe in private property ownership despite her mom owning a million dollar piece of property in Ky.
Welcome back pvssie, I knew you couldn't stay away because most libbies are hypocrites.

By the way, someone overstaying their Visa is a civil offense, whereas someone crossing the border illegally is a FEDERALoffense and no due process is deserved unless they went through the proper channels BEFORE entering the US. Mexico, Costa Rica and a host of other Latin countries don't just allow people to cross into their country without permission, I know because I lived there as opposed to you tourists that come in for a week and leave hungover.

Good luck buddy and I hope you enjoy that call to prayer screeching 5 times a day in the NYC ******** it has become while the Islamic culture takes over Time Square blocking traffic so they can prayer to the pedo Mohammad.

My god you are stupid. Yourbposta read like they were written by a ten year old. And love the racism sprinkled in.

The ban bet was for one year.

Now you can run to Ard and tey to get me banned for beimg mean to you. *****.

 

[Cabotiger]

My god you are stupid. Yourbposta read like they were written by a ten year old. And love the racism sprinkled in.

The ban bet was for one year.

Now you can run to Ard and tey to get me banned for beimg mean to you. *****.

Are you drunk you poor tard? Permaban is basically self explanitory and your post is incoherent.
I'm not @dpic, I don't run to Ard to have people banned because some libbie tried to hurt my feelings and it didn't work. Carry on pvssie and enjoy that screeching call to prayer at 5am every day.

 

[Cabotiger]

Enjoy @nytigerfan

 

[TigerGrowls]

First because they didn't let in 11 million.

And many were unhappy with how the border was handled. There was a bipartisan immigration bill that would have passed if Trump hadn't killed it so he could run on the issue.

Trump closed the border with no new laws passed yoshi. Please try again.

 

[TigerGrowls]

My assumption is honestly that the Democrats and Republicans are really not far off in terms of wanting to prevent illegal immigration and deport those who are here.

This is hilarious!!! How in hell for you think Democrats and Republicans are close together on this issue???

 

[nytigerfan]

Are you drunk you poor tard? Permaban is basically self explanitory and your post is incoherent.
I'm not @dpic, I don't run to Ard to have people banned because some libbie tried to hurt my feelings and it didn't work. Carry on pvssie and enjoy that screeching call to prayer at 5am every day.

So. *******. Stupid.