It doesn’t matter what the score was earlier. The current Iowa team is the one preparing for the post season. This is the team that will be used to judge their season’s success
It seems that the consensus is that Oklahoma State is the new rival…
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Adding Jax is simply a reflection of OkieSt's recruiting and progression, and injuries towards the second half of the season seem to be part of the Iowa progression.
Considering the season doesn't happen in a vacuum and teams move through a season differently, the statement that without additions and injuries the match would have been different has nothing to do with reality.
Maybe Iowa finds 6 or 7 portal rentals that can help them compete next year, but by the end of season half or more will be not available. My take remains that the two programs are progressing in opposite directions.
It's okay, he's not an Iowa fan, lol!! Even though he defends Iowa incessantly here and rips PSU on their board. Nothing to see here!!
Threat - yes.
Rival - I think we have to see our rival more than just at NCAAs to call them that.
And while I do think Okie St is a legitimate threat going forward, it’s because of the resources and support for the program, not 2 recruiting classes. If history is our guide, a couple of the guys Askren listed won’t become AAs.
Rival - I think we have to see our rival more than just at NCAAs to call them that.
And while I do think Okie St is a legitimate threat going forward, it’s because of the resources and support for the program, not 2 recruiting classes. If history is our guide, a couple of the guys Askren listed won’t become AAs.
Keep Taylor out from landing the best kids in Pennsylvania. Taylor has connections for Pennsylvania talent for probably 3 more years from when he was running M2. Forrest was a huge get for him. Iowa's last run was made possible by landing a couple of Pennsylvania kids. Virginia Tech is probably going to be top 5 in a year or 2 because of Pennsylvanian talent.
Looking at High School talent it appears Iowa has slipped compared to Ohio, California and Pennsylvania. I think that has hurt Iowa.
Looking at High School talent it appears Iowa has slipped compared to Ohio, California and Pennsylvania. I think that has hurt Iowa.
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Just because a team becomes the second or third-best team, doesn't make them a sudden rival.
We don't even wrestle them in a dual meet.
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Lets wait and see on the Raney's. Greco is vastly different than folkstyle.
Iowa won their match at OKST Duals.
But of course Iowa's lineup wouldn't be healthy and intact by mid-February. Years of evidence says they wouldn't. Anybody who thought otherwise should be forced to take a shot to the neck.
Ok St WILL BE PSU's main rival in a couple of years. In order to be a true rival, an opponent must have a credible chance to defeat PSU and as it stands now by that definition, PSU has no rival. In 2028, it may be a different story and Ok St could rise to rival status at that time.
And in 2026 it's happening all over
As 83% of the natives are recognizing on HR, Iowa is paying the price for poor recruiting and subpar development. The portal is important to fill in gaps but the portal isn't going to fix where Iowa is at now.
Don't be MSU:
No, it was an Endene joke.
Don't you have to wrestle them consistently to be a rival
Oklahoma State is a challenger, a main competitor but not a rival.
Heard Zack Seyko on on3 who I like some of the time, just keep saying for this and next 2 years nobody can catch us I think he should take a urine and blood test. After this year, for the next 4-5 years neck and neck.
Very good point. I think 25-26-27 recruiting class are the real thing. They won't need to get transfers maybe 1 but all top recruits fit nicely right time right place. If PSU and old wrestle must see TV
When Vega beats Mendez in Cleveland (I said it, go ahead and bookmark it), is that credit to DT or will Vega be declared an out-of-the-box stud?
I think credit has to go to Chevrolet for Vega’s success.
Shouldn't this post be under "What Are We Drinking Tonight".
He beat Echemendia 4-2 and pined and MD'd Hardy (who is always prone to the spectacular-good and bad)
Mendez majors him at least.
As much as I hate the Bugeyes, absent Mitchell and Barr, clearly Hodge material.
Vegas had aluminum heads with a tendency to warp-and not in the Star Trek sense.
If Vega loses to Mendez, does he have to be called Nova back home in heavily Latino South Tucson?
"No Va" perfectly describes the Iowa style lately.
No, 2028 is not neck and neck.
2029 is the first year that Okie State may be a real threat, but we won't have any idea if that is a true assessment until we get into the 2028-29 season.
Not matter what Okie St throws out there, assuming both programs stay healthy PSU's lineup should look something like
Luke
Ono
Blaze
Desmond, Perry or someone better
Kasak
Duke
James, Henckel or Cunningham
Rocco
Barr
Mirasola
Now there is a possibility one or more could ORS, as a few Cowboys could also.
If both can put their best lineups on the mat there isn't much Oklahoma State can with the above lineup.
It depends on how you define "threat". If that means at least a 50% chance (or even 40%) to actually beat PSU and win it all, then, no, it's still a little early for that. But, by 2028, they will be head and shoulders above everyone else in the field and will push PSU to be their best to win it all, and the days of the 100 point margin will be long gone (and the margin from 2nd to 3rd will be significantly bigger than 1st to 2nd).
I meant dual schedule. He's already beaten Merrill and I think he beats Geog as well.
I sometimes think that when wrestling fans are discussing years or wrestling seasons, not everyone uses the same definition. For instance, some may refer to the 2028-2029 season as 2028, but others as 2029 since that is when the NCAA tournament occurs and what year will be recorded for team and individual champions. For clarity, I try to always use this format; e.g. 2028-29 season.
Iowa Minus Endene, Ferrari and Keuter, no matter their limitations, didn't help either, while OSU gained Jax.
I am not so sure the gap was narrowed by development or the lack thereof. Mostly by personnel IMO.
You can’t make this stuff up
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is a major reason why recruits are hesitant to head to Iowa.Around here that's known as a "corby"
Now that is an accurate description. I can see Okie State making a serious run at 140 points. The distance between first and second will still be greater than the distance between second and third.
Oklahoma State is rebuilding the once-proud program the right way. Tons of solid recruits that are freshmen this year, and a solid class coming next season. Developing those kids and keeping them for four years of eligibility will surely pay dividends, while using the portal only when a gap is projected until they can build bench strength. Even then, coaches won't say no to a guy that can help the program. Sound familiar? Another very proud school has taken a different approach and it does not appear to be working out.
Too many unknowns to talk three years or more out, but there is enough evidence that the Cowboys are starting their charge. Penn State's firepower for the next two years might (or should I use a stronger word?) be too much to overcome, but I'm excited to see what happens those two years and beyond.
Roster size limits and the amount of talent available each year suggests that there should and could be more parity if blue-chippers congregate at one school. we're starting to see it at Okie State. What about Virginia Tech? Ohio State? Others? All good for college wrestling.
Too many unknowns to talk three years or more out, but there is enough evidence that the Cowboys are starting their charge. Penn State's firepower for the next two years might (or should I use a stronger word?) be too much to overcome, but I'm excited to see what happens those two years and beyond.
Roster size limits and the amount of talent available each year suggests that there should and could be more parity if blue-chippers congregate at one school. we're starting to see it at Okie State. What about Virginia Tech? Ohio State? Others? All good for college wrestling.
It is good to see you posting.
Just reflexively, I see them at about 110-120. 140 is a tough ask with several holes and half a lineup that doesn’t get bonus
I was watching a dual meet involving 2 other B1G10 schools on B1G10+ last weekend and the student announcer kept referring to each mat return as a takedown. It drove me out of my mind.