“It ain’t the X’s and the O’s

gtown965

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It’s the Jimmy’s and the Joe’s”

Phil Jackson or Pat Riley couldn’t take this band of misfits and turn them into a powerhouse. Sure, Pope has his shortcomings but the talent isn’t there. It’s just not. How many of these players would even crack the 2nd unit of the 1996 National Champs? None! Would any of them see any PT on the 2012 team? Maybe Oweh.
 

theBlues

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Some coaches always seem to have plenty of talent. Maybe they do it by being great at recruiting or talent evaluation and maybe they do it by player development. Kentucky isn't doing any of it under Pope. What concerns me more than the lack of recruits is that none of our 4 returning players from last year added anything to their game.

Oweh didn't need any physical improvement but his shooting has declined somewhat from last year and he hasn't added anything to his game.

Noah hasn't gotten stronger or quicker or added anything to his game and his shooting has gone downhill.

Chandler got here with hops and long range shooting ability but has added nothing to his game and has not gotten stronger.

BG should have been able to improve in some way since he's bad at everything but also added nothing to a tool box that was already almost empty.

It's pretty obvious that none of these players put much into the off season but if the players aren't motivated to improve the coach has to motivate them or get different players.
 

Loucatfan30

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It’s the Jimmy’s and the Joe’s”

Phil Jackson or Pat Riley couldn’t take this band of misfits and turn them into a powerhouse. Sure, Pope has his shortcomings but the talent isn’t there. It’s just not. How many of these players would even crack the 2nd unit of the 1996 National Champs? None! Would any of them see any PT on the 2012 team? Maybe Oweh.
bingo
 

bbnkat02

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These players were good enough to beat good teams in Ark and TN (twice). Theyshould be good enough to beat UGA and Auburn.
THIS. This right here.

Inconsistency is a COACHING problem.
Sure. They may suck as players but again that falls on the coach for not utilizing them correctly or developing them properly.

We don’t do the fundamentals well. THAT is and ALWAYS will be in the HC. No matter who it is.
 

jedwar

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THIS. This right here.

Inconsistency is a COACHING problem.
Sure. They may suck as players but again that falls on the coach for not utilizing them correctly or developing them properly.

We don’t do the fundamentals well. THAT is and ALWAYS will be in the HC. No matter who it is.
I will add this. Pope is exactly who he was when he was hired. A 12 loss a year coach. Win some big games and then turn around and lose games that left you scratching your head. And I mean from one game to the next. Great example last year was from Illinois to Tennessee.
 

Cats4321

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It’s the Jimmy’s and the Joe’s”

Phil Jackson or Pat Riley couldn’t take this band of misfits and turn them into a powerhouse. Sure, Pope has his shortcomings but the talent isn’t there. It’s just not. How many of these players would even crack the 2nd unit of the 1996 National Champs? None! Would any of them see any PT on the 2012 team? Maybe Oweh.
Look back at Pope's career at every stop. This year isn't much different than the rest of his career.

I don't think this team is particularly talented, but it was basically hand picked by the staff. Based on how recruiting has gone so far, we might get to use "the talent isn't there" excuse next year too. Eventually you have to win games at Kentucky.
 

bbnkat02

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I will add this. Pope is exactly who he was when he was hired. A 12 loss a year coach. Win some big games and then turn around and lose games that left you scratching your head. And I mean from one game to the next. Great example last year was from Illinois to Tennessee.
Yeah, I gave him some grace on that too. NCAAT games are a different beast and we were held together with duct tape and bubblegum by that point. Plus that was the THIRD time facing EweTee and we all know how hard those are- especially against an in conference team..

But the pattern has definitely continued. And it's concerning.
 

*Fox2Monk*

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THIS. This right here.

Inconsistency is a COACHING problem.
Sure. They may suck as players but again that falls on the coach for not utilizing them correctly or developing them properly.

We don’t do the fundamentals well. THAT is and ALWAYS will be in the HC. No matter who it is.
No matter where he has been, or who the players have been his teams have played defense the same, won at a similar rate. It’s him.
 

Loucatfan30

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Bingo? It’s not like all D1 players were put in a hat and some random draw was made and Pope just drew the short straw on talent. He picked these guys and got the best he could get. Getting the Jimmies and Joes is part of coaching too.
That's what bingo means. He doesn't have talent and it is his job to get it.
 
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Mossip

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Pope Re: jimmys and joes
 

seccats04

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I was pissed when I heard he was being hired because the way this has played out is who he is. Then, a day after being hired, I got on board and tried to convince myself we found the next great coach. Turns out, Mitch made another lazy, goof hire and he needs to retire yesterday as he has single handedly killed UK basketball, which is very hard to do.
 

K_TIME

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It’s the Jimmy’s and the Joe’s”

Phil Jackson or Pat Riley couldn’t take this band of misfits and turn them into a powerhouse. Sure, Pope has his shortcomings but the talent isn’t there. It’s just not. How many of these players would even crack the 2nd unit of the 1996 National Champs? None! Would any of them see any PT on the 2012 team? Maybe Oweh.
Stop with this cliche nonsense

sure the players matter but you can’t tell me Oweh, Chandler, Aberdeen..along with a solid Moreno…should be sitting here with this amount of losses


Coaching , intensity, execution of defensive gameplan, etc all wane from game to game…Pope is as much problem as players

and then there is that pesky 22M roster cost looming that makes no sense why we spend this money for this level of players
 
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Son_Of_Saul

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It’s the Jimmy’s and the Joe’s”

Phil Jackson or Pat Riley couldn’t take this band of misfits and turn them into a powerhouse. Sure, Pope has his shortcomings but the talent isn’t there. It’s just not. How many of these players would even crack the 2nd unit of the 1996 National Champs? None! Would any of them see any PT on the 2012 team? Maybe Oweh.
There's a bunch of guys who would be rotation players on that 2012 team, although none of them probably state. Cal would have played Oweh, Aberdeen, Mo D, Chandler, and Moreno if he had access to them on that team. 2012's only weakness was the lack of depth.

Johnson, Noah, Garrison, and Jelavic would have never seen playing time on that squad, however.
 

Smeegs

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It’s the Jimmy’s and the Joe’s”

Phil Jackson or Pat Riley couldn’t take this band of misfits and turn them into a powerhouse. Sure, Pope has his shortcomings but the talent isn’t there. It’s just not. How many of these players would even crack the 2nd unit of the 1996 National Champs? None! Would any of them see any PT on the 2012 team? Maybe Oweh.
The problem I have with this excuse is that, by all reports, we have the most expensive NIL roster in the country.

There’s something fundamentally wrong with spending more for talent than anyone else …yet still somehow ending up with “ a band of misfits.“
 

Doc4UK!

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Bingo!!!! We have a winner!!!!

Part of coaching is roster management.

Bingo!!!! We have a winner!!!!

Part of coaching is roster management.
I still have not heard a reason why Moreno was not in the game when the winning basket was scored. He is by far our best rebounder. Garrison instead functions as an observer watching the winning basket go through the nets while the much shorter Collin Chandler and Mo attempted to get the rebound.
 

Johnfarrel

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John McKay, when asked about his team's execution, said, "I'm all for it." Kentucky gave up 39 points on turn-overs last week. That's an entire half of points. No team can win games with that kind of execution. Coaches play a part in that, but it's the players that have to execute.
 

UKBB4Ever

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When he jimmies and the joes are getting outworked every game and out fundamental'ed every game it's on the coaches.

With very few exceptions the other coach of the teams we have played this season could take our guys and beat his guys.
 

JonathanW2

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A lot of truth in this original post.
Don't even have to compare it to the great 2012 team. How about some of our recent very good teams (2017 or 2020). Even on those teams who from this team would have played?
2017: Oweh would have taken most of Briscoe's minutes and done well. Moreno, Chandler, MoD, Aberdeen may have come in off the bench for 10mph.
2020: With both Maxey & Quickly at the 2/3 spots, Oweh would have worked in for 15-20mpg. Moreno & MoD would have played some (15mpg).

YES!!!! Pope built this team, and so HE is responsible for the roster construction!!!
But at the same time, no coach could have predicted the Lowe or Williams injuries.
As for JQ, Pope had to know there was a big risk there, but potentially a big reward too. Did he take that risk because he had failed adding a big-time guy in the frontcourt? Or did taking the JQ risk cause us to miss-out on adding a big-time frontcourt guy?

The in-game coaching has been good enough, especially half-time adjustments. The prep seems to be lacking. If that is the failure of 1 or more assistant coaches, then Pope needs to do the right thing there and not be blindly loyal.

Given the roster we have now, the coaching I give a B.
The roster construction I give a C (which will NOT cut it at UK).
 

Monday Nitro

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It’s the Jimmy’s and the Joe’s”

Phil Jackson or Pat Riley couldn’t take this band of misfits and turn them into a powerhouse. Sure, Pope has his shortcomings but the talent isn’t there. It’s just not. How many of these players would even crack the 2nd unit of the 1996 National Champs? None! Would any of them see any PT on the 2012 team? Maybe Oweh.
I'd argue that the physical talent is there but the Basketball IQ is terrible.
 
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PastorofMuppets82

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People can throw the $22 million and roster construction out all they want, but at the end of the day this staff missed on almost EVERY single top option, and in most cases, missed on third and forth options in last years portal.

Lowe - Was behind Dent, Demary Jr, and Agbim and Brayden Smith didn't enter the portal like he was supposedly going to (at least in time that discussion were being held) Also since Lowe was a Jr it ran off Lewis. And with Krissa and Perry transferring we were super thin at PG.
Kam - First portal commit and was thought to be the Kobe Brea replacement. Don't hate this target and pick up, especially at the time of the commitment. We were still alive in the tournament when he committed. Didn't work out that way.
Mo - Was a purposeful toughness and defense upgrade attempt after missing out on Caleb Wilson and Nate Ament earlier in the spring. He "may" have been a first choice for the backup 4 or a panic take once the PF slot was quickly thinned out in the portal.
Jelavich - Definitely behind Yaxel and Foulgares and was a flier take to fill Carr's role. Didn't work out that way.
JQ - Another flier that looks horrible in retrospect, especially with Garrison (who at the time hadn't said if he was staying or not) and (at the time) an unproven Moreno on the roster. After missing on Gwath, Veesar, and Mara (I think it was) and never really being close to any other starter level big men this felt like a panic hope and pray it works out take.
Potter - Fill the roster, have another big for practice reps, end of bench add, no issues with it.
Hawthorne - Not really a portal get, a decommit then commit here knowing he was going to redshirt coming in. So technically a freshmen commit. Don't hate this either as he was going to be a project and 12-15 guy on the bench anyways.
Aberdeen - While he is a good player and I understand taking him, we didn't need a second Oweh here at the time he was signed. We had just lost Lewis, we needed a PG. We had just missed out on Wilkerson and I think this was a panic take.

So outside of Kam, which I honestly believe this staff thought would be a plug and play Kobe Brea with 3 years of eligibility, all the rest were not first choices. The talent dipped with each miss at each position and the price went up to get players that didn't fit but were "athletic". Lots of square pegs trying to get pounded into round holes on this roster out of desperation. Make no mistake, Pope is to blame for the bad roster, bad recruiting, bad player evaluation, and bad player development. But a lot of fans let blue tinted glasses set their expectations for this year over seeing that this roster was bad from the start. We were always going to lose games we shouldn't because we don't have enough good shooters to spread the floor. We have a roster full of athletic but low basketball IQ players. We have a lot of selfish role players. Add injuries and lack of effort and we have a disaster waiting to happen. I didn't expect a Championship out this group. But I did expect to never lose a game due to lack of effort and heart. That's on the players. And the bench players are SOOOO bad, you can't bench the starters not showing effort. Pope's in a horrible position, partly of his own making, with more of the same on the horizon. He needs a recruiting win or a HUGE portal get, or a crazy unexpected deep run in the NCAA tournament to change the tides. He'll get year 3, whether we like it or not, but it'll be his swan song if he doesn't change.
 

KyCPA2000

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It’s the Jimmy’s and the Joe’s”

Phil Jackson or Pat Riley couldn’t take this band of misfits and turn them into a powerhouse. Sure, Pope has his shortcomings but the talent isn’t there. It’s just not. How many of these players would even crack the 2nd unit of the 1996 National Champs? None! Would any of them see any PT on the 2012 team? Maybe Oweh.
100%
 

WeWant9

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Jeez. These guys wouldn’t play on two of our most legendary teams (96 and 12) so that means it’s not on Pope at all!
 

K_TIME

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For all the "we have a bunch of role players"....what is Otega Oweh?
1. If this team was in contention for SEC title...he'd be neck and neck with Acuff/Chenliyu/Philon
2. If Chenliyu wins it...is he not the definition of role player? Amazing rebounder, shot blocker...but has the offensive moves of Nerlen Noel

Oweh is everybit the stud and is a disgrace for this team to be in this spot.
 
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It’s the Jimmy’s and the Joe’s”

Phil Jackson or Pat Riley couldn’t take this band of misfits and turn them into a powerhouse. Sure, Pope has his shortcomings but the talent isn’t there. It’s just not. How many of these players would even crack the 2nd unit of the 1996 National Champs? None! Would any of them see any PT on the 2012 team? Maybe Oweh.
Who signed and paid them?
 

BigBluefoot

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That's fair, but could they defend, block out and rebound better? If the answer is yes then we have a coaching problem.
This. Not a talent issue. A motivation, discipline issue. It's coaching. Beyond that, if we did have a huge talent gap with the rest of the SEC (which we do not) whoms fault is that?
 

AJG-15

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People can throw the $22 million and roster construction out all they want, but at the end of the day this staff missed on almost EVERY single top option, and in most cases, missed on third and forth options in last years portal.

Lowe - Was behind Dent, Demary Jr, and Agbim and Brayden Smith didn't enter the portal like he was supposedly going to (at least in time that discussion were being held) Also since Lowe was a Jr it ran off Lewis. And with Krissa and Perry transferring we were super thin at PG.
Kam - First portal commit and was thought to be the Kobe Brea replacement. Don't hate this target and pick up, especially at the time of the commitment. We were still alive in the tournament when he committed. Didn't work out that way.
Mo - Was a purposeful toughness and defense upgrade attempt after missing out on Caleb Wilson and Nate Ament earlier in the spring. He "may" have been a first choice for the backup 4 or a panic take once the PF slot was quickly thinned out in the portal.
Jelavich - Definitely behind Yaxel and Foulgares and was a flier take to fill Carr's role. Didn't work out that way.
JQ - Another flier that looks horrible in retrospect, especially with Garrison (who at the time hadn't said if he was staying or not) and (at the time) an unproven Moreno on the roster. After missing on Gwath, Veesar, and Mara (I think it was) and never really being close to any other starter level big men this felt like a panic hope and pray it works out take.
Potter - Fill the roster, have another big for practice reps, end of bench add, no issues with it.
Hawthorne - Not really a portal get, a decommit then commit here knowing he was going to redshirt coming in. So technically a freshmen commit. Don't hate this either as he was going to be a project and 12-15 guy on the bench anyways.
Aberdeen - While he is a good player and I understand taking him, we didn't need a second Oweh here at the time he was signed. We had just lost Lewis, we needed a PG. We had just missed out on Wilkerson and I think this was a panic take.

So outside of Kam, which I honestly believe this staff thought would be a plug and play Kobe Brea with 3 years of eligibility, all the rest were not first choices. The talent dipped with each miss at each position and the price went up to get players that didn't fit but were "athletic". Lots of square pegs trying to get pounded into round holes on this roster out of desperation. Make no mistake, Pope is to blame for the bad roster, bad recruiting, bad player evaluation, and bad player development. But a lot of fans let blue tinted glasses set their expectations for this year over seeing that this roster was bad from the start. We were always going to lose games we shouldn't because we don't have enough good shooters to spread the floor. We have a roster full of athletic but low basketball IQ players. We have a lot of selfish role players. Add injuries and lack of effort and we have a disaster waiting to happen. I didn't expect a Championship out this group. But I did expect to never lose a game due to lack of effort and heart. That's on the players. And the bench players are SOOOO bad, you can't bench the starters not showing effort. Pope's in a horrible position, partly of his own making, with more of the same on the horizon. He needs a recruiting win or a HUGE portal get, or a crazy unexpected deep run in the NCAA tournament to change the tides. He'll get year 3, whether we like it or not, but it'll be his swan song if he doesn't change.
Excellent analysis.

one point I want to make. I agree that fans perhaps thought that spending 22 millions gave us a great team….,but if you are Pope and you know that who you got was never your first choice but 3rd, 4th, 5th ,etc , how can you with clear conscience say at the begging of the season that your team is a Ferrari and make BBN believe this is the year to win number 9.

either Pope is extremely poor talent evaluator or he is a just liar that will say anything just to make himself liked.


last year , when Kentucky was out of the NCAA tournament, and we were in the first two weeks and still didn’t make any inroads with any first notch portal player, I was getting nervous…..

I decided to spend time and for each SEC school (because SEC last year got many portals players and were losing also many) and some out of the conference i put together a spreadsheet with who is leaving , who they got from HS and what most likely they would need from the portal. At that time was a great indication that Ament and Wilson would be highly thought after and so the top portal players.

I sent the excel book and my thoughts to Coach Pope, expressing that we need to hurry up in make decisions and push for the right players cause we risk to run out of time. Also stressed that we should use the 15 rosters spots and get at least 2 PG.
I dont know if Pope or anyone from staff read my email cause I’d didn’t get an answer back. Perhaps, they were super optimistic after first year when they put the roster together in 2 weeks from portal that they didn’t seem to have the urgency last years….
Perhaps they had all the tools and analysis in hand …

Regardless, I truly believe that last year they took the portal for granted and their ability to close deals.

in the recruiting world, which I am familiar somewhat, the news circulate fast for good and bad…..once you built a reputation you are kind of stuck with it cause future recruits and agents talk among themselves…

Pope to be successful next year will need a monster portal class this spring. I hope that he already created a data base and has the targets and money ready …

if he waits like last year and he is undecided the results will be the same.
 
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