Need 14M in rev share & NIL for a competitive roster

NewJerseyHawk

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After watching what I believe is a roster of potential with RU and seeing what the rest of the B1G, Big 12, SEC and most of the ACC has, I dont see a path towards being a competitive roster (NCAA caliber), unless its a bare minimum of 12M and probably 14M in NIL funding.....before someone calls me crazy, I am watching the entire landscape of rosters in ALL conferences and not piecing together a roster on a standard RU budget (non-existent as of today).

First of all, ANY credible talent level of starters in all 5 positions, should cost around 10M in total money......not what RU should pay for the current starting 5, but what it would take to be around .500 in the B1G or a 9 to 11 seed in the NCAAs.

So.....the question is.....how many actual RU players can develop into a starter or has starter level or rotational level talent??

Based on where things stand today and after the Minnesota game, there are players who have starting level capacity BUT are young.....and we have players who are starting here, but probably would be a bench or role player, on a NCAA caliber roster.

A starting PF/C, is an approximate cost of 1.75 to 2.5M.....someone who provides 12 to 14PPG ans 6 to 8 RPG.....(someone with a minimum skill set or player thats a blend of Myles Johnson and Cliff Omoyuri)....

A starting caliber PF/ hybrid Forward......typically costs around 1.25M to 1.5M, depending on level of player.....probably someone who has some level of defense and perimeter shooting.....Is Dylan Grant that level of player OR can he be that level of player next year....?? TBD, but my guess is we need someone who is good for 12 to 13PPG and 6 boards, with solid defense and perimeter shooting, who can also create their own shot.

Small Forward.....Self explanatory.....approximate cost of 1.25 to 1.75M, depending on level of player.....to be competitive, we need a player at RHJ level or better. To date, we have not had a player other than Ace Bailey, who fits this role, since RHJ left...

Shooting guard......Kaden Powers shows flashes of potential and is improving. I would not expect to improve on finding a better option in the portal, UNLESS, you are planning to spend a minimum of 1.75M to 2M, for a proven scoring option.....The market dictated last spring and showed Southern Illinois SG, Kennard Davis was that level of player, but he landed at BYU for north of 2M....he averaged 20PPG at SIU and even Purdue decided to invest elsewhere, deciding to build internally and with HS players......I would invest in Powers and bet on his improvement.

PG.....if you asked me this 3 weeks ago, I would have told you before RU went west to USC and UCLA, that Lino Mark was not part of the solution, despite his 4* ranking..

Well, as that west coast trip....in essentially 4 games (not going to count 1 minute played vs Maryland as the 5th game.....

Mark....16 of 28 from the field....5 of 11 from 3....44 points in 4 games....11PPG....in only 77 minutes of playing time.

I would not be under the impression that is an abberation.....the kid makes plays when there's no play to be made.....add to it, his willingness to be an on the ball defender and a knack for steals, he COULD, be a starter that is capable of being a solution....definitely based on this streak of games, he appears to be trending UP and a player I would invest in.

Dorian Jones....CG.....why mention a kid who is redshirting?? Because his tape and length and shot making on tape, is equal or better than Mark and Powers.....he just needs minutes next year......hard to overpay here, but I can't imagine him redshirting and not playing a big role next year.

The remaining pieces of Francis, Zrno, Dortch, Buchanan, Nwuli and JMike Davis all have some value.....but we are probably better off paying Francis and let him cook as the 6th man off the bench....invest there.

So, I have 4 players as likely to keep.....and a roster of 13 spots......if you keep Grant, thats north of 1M, anyway you slice it OR, you pay another 750K over Grant's number for a proven player.....either way, that starting spot is 1M to 1.2M Grant or 1.75 to 2M (more proven player via the portal).

If we acknowledge that a legitimate PF/C would cost RU at least 1.75M to 2.5M, these are the numbers.

C.....2.0M
PF Grant or upgrade (1.75M)
Wing or someone via Portal with talent (1.5M or 1.75M)
Powers (750K to 1M)
Mark (750K to 1M)
Jones (500K to 1M)
Francis (1.25M to 1.5M)
Buchanan/Zrno (500K each)
Rest of roster (Davis, Dortch, Ware, etc 1M to 1.5M for

This is an estimated 13M and has players that we may not agree "are worth this or that", but if you say "you can't give Dylan Grant, Powers or Mark XYZ amount, are you upgrading with a more proven player?? If so, add more money to that amount.

This is the actual math and I am not advocating to drop one player to pay another player.....that is a losing equation...

We have seen already this year that "we cant pay Lathan Sommerville 1M or more!!...well, we have the worse production out of any Power 4 program, at the 5 position.....with Ogbole, Fall, Dortch asked to play the 5, and Ware).....we are essentially getting 2PPG from Ogbole in MOST games.....can a B1G program win, with a starter only scoring 2PPG.....??

JMike Davis starts most of the games this year at around 7PPG.....in 25 or more minutes.....can you win games with a guard playing 20 to 25MPG and scoring 7PPG???

There is NO path to success without a NIL budget of a FLOOR amount of 12M.....this is not the Big East, AAC or Mountai West conference.....in a Power 4 league, you need front line talent and money.....until then, its asking a lot of ANY coach in this type of situation.....
 

rucoe89

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After watching what I believe is a roster of potential with RU and seeing what the rest of the B1G, Big 12, SEC and most of the ACC has, I dont see a path towards being a competitive roster (NCAA caliber), unless its a bare minimum of 12M and probably 14M in NIL funding.....before someone calls me crazy, I am watching the entire landscape of rosters in ALL conferences and not piecing together a roster on a standard RU budget (non-existent as of today).

First of all, ANY credible talent level of starters in all 5 positions, should cost around 10M in total money......not what RU should pay for the current starting 5, but what it would take to be around .500 in the B1G or a 9 to 11 seed in the NCAAs.

So.....the question is.....how many actual RU players can develop into a starter or has starter level or rotational level talent??

Based on where things stand today and after the Minnesota game, there are players who have starting level capacity BUT are young.....and we have players who are starting here, but probably would be a bench or role player, on a NCAA caliber roster.

A starting PF/C, is an approximate cost of 1.75 to 2.5M.....someone who provides 12 to 14PPG ans 6 to 8 RPG.....(someone with a minimum skill set or player thats a blend of Myles Johnson and Cliff Omoyuri)....

A starting caliber PF/ hybrid Forward......typically costs around 1.25M to 1.5M, depending on level of player.....probably someone who has some level of defense and perimeter shooting.....Is Dylan Grant that level of player OR can he be that level of player next year....?? TBD, but my guess is we need someone who is good for 12 to 13PPG and 6 boards, with solid defense and perimeter shooting, who can also create their own shot.

Small Forward.....Self explanatory.....approximate cost of 1.25 to 1.75M, depending on level of player.....to be competitive, we need a player at RHJ level or better. To date, we have not had a player other than Ace Bailey, who fits this role, since RHJ left...

Shooting guard......Kaden Powers shows flashes of potential and is improving. I would not expect to improve on finding a better option in the portal, UNLESS, you are planning to spend a minimum of 1.75M to 2M, for a proven scoring option.....The market dictated last spring and showed Southern Illinois SG, Kennard Davis was that level of player, but he landed at BYU for north of 2M....he averaged 20PPG at SIU and even Purdue decided to invest elsewhere, deciding to build internally and with HS players......I would invest in Powers and bet on his improvement.

PG.....if you asked me this 3 weeks ago, I would have told you before RU went west to USC and UCLA, that Lino Mark was not part of the solution, despite his 4* ranking..

Well, as that west coast trip....in essentially 4 games (not going to count 1 minute played vs Maryland as the 5th game.....

Mark....16 of 28 from the field....5 of 11 from 3....44 points in 4 games....11PPG....in only 77 minutes of playing time.

I would not be under the impression that is an abberation.....the kid makes plays when there's no play to be made.....add to it, his willingness to be an on the ball defender and a knack for steals, he COULD, be a starter that is capable of being a solution....definitely based on this streak of games, he appears to be trending UP and a player I would invest in.

Dorian Jones....CG.....why mention a kid who is redshirting?? Because his tape and length and shot making on tape, is equal or better than Mark and Powers.....he just needs minutes next year......hard to overpay here, but I can't imagine him redshirting and not playing a big role next year.

The remaining pieces of Francis, Zrno, Dortch, Buchanan, Nwuli and JMike Davis all have some value.....but we are probably better off paying Francis and let him cook as the 6th man off the bench....invest there.

So, I have 4 players as likely to keep.....and a roster of 13 spots......if you keep Grant, thats north of 1M, anyway you slice it OR, you pay another 750K over Grant's number for a proven player.....either way, that starting spot is 1M to 1.2M Grant or 1.75 to 2M (more proven player via the portal).

If we acknowledge that a legitimate PF/C would cost RU at least 1.75M to 2.5M, these are the numbers.

C.....2.0M
PF Grant or upgrade (1.75M)
Wing or someone via Portal with talent (1.5M or 1.75M)
Powers (750K to 1M)
Mark (750K to 1M)
Jones (500K to 1M)
Francis (1.25M to 1.5M)
Buchanan/Zrno (500K each)
Rest of roster (Davis, Dortch, Ware, etc 1M to 1.5M for

This is an estimated 13M and has players that we may not agree "are worth this or that", but if you say "you can't give Dylan Grant, Powers or Mark XYZ amount, are you upgrading with a more proven player?? If so, add more money to that amount.

This is the actual math and I am not advocating to drop one player to pay another player.....that is a losing equation...

We have seen already this year that "we cant pay Lathan Sommerville 1M or more!!...well, we have the worse production out of any Power 4 program, at the 5 position.....with Ogbole, Fall, Dortch asked to play the 5, and Ware).....we are essentially getting 2PPG from Ogbole in MOST games.....can a B1G program win, with a starter only scoring 2PPG.....??

JMike Davis starts most of the games this year at around 7PPG.....in 25 or more minutes.....can you win games with a guard playing 20 to 25MPG and scoring 7PPG???

There is NO path to success without a NIL budget of a FLOOR amount of 12M.....this is not the Big East, AAC or Mountai West conference.....in a Power 4 league, you need front line talent and money.....until then, its asking a lot of ANY coach in this type of situation.....
Not unreasonable but the big wildcard is whether Pikiell can coach that acquired talent to produce within a year. Today once more sure how doubtful that is.
 

NewJerseyHawk

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Not unreasonable but the big wildcard is whether Pikiell can coach that acquired talent to produce within a year. Today once more sure how doubtful that is.
How much coaching is actually involved if you have a RHJ, Jacob Young, Geo Baker Caleb McConnell, Mulcahy, Mathis and Cliff/Myles Johnson replica on the floor at Minnesota today?? I don't think Minnesota scores 80 and probably doesnt reach 70.....does that RU roster score just 60PPG most nights, or closer to 70PPG??

Pike could have tried different mixes and matches today, but it would be somewhat disrespectful to Minnesota, USC and even Washington arriving here on Tuesday, to say RU has more talent than those 3 rosters.....and none of those rosters are going to make the NCAAs, as of now.....USC is the closest.

I would actually PREFER, that RU finds 2 more freshman in the 2026 class at the PF and PG spots.....and provides a bridge of players to eventually have on the roster once Francis and JMike graduate and Buchanan graduates after next year.

It would be the most effective way to use limited funds, but I would not expect to be in NCAA contention next year, with that path.....that would be a 2027-28 potential NCAA roster, but assumes we have money to retain players and invest in more for 2027 in HS recruiting.

I don't think we have more money allocated on the roster than anyone except maybe PSU.....
 

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Players in the same system knowing each other over multiple seasons may be more productive and cheaper - even with a marginal talent deficit.
 
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He’s going to have 9 million next year and that is enough to be competitive and make the NCAAs.

The entire strategy is *** backwards.

It’s not 2019 anymore, you are not going to recruit HS kids and keep them around for years and year and years and watch them develop.

It’s not happening. They need to go to the portal and pay 8 (9 max) players on the roster.

Pike teams require a quality big, so you have to pay up there - 2 to 2.5 mill.

Your PG is your next biggest payout, then your 3 and your 4. Your 2 guard you can go cheap.

Just because these kids exist on the roster doesn’t mean they get paid. We have maybe 2 players on our team right now worth getting paid on a 9 million roster.
 

RutgersAl

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He’s going to have 9 million next year and that is enough to be competitive and make the NCAAs.

The entire strategy is *** backwards.

It’s not 2019 anymore, you are not going to recruit HS kids and keep them around for years and year and years and watch them develop.

It’s not happening. They need to go to the portal and pay 8 (9 max) players on the roster.

Pike teams require a quality big, so you have to pay up there - 2 to 2.5 mill.

Your PG is your next biggest payout, then your 3 and your 4. Your 2 guard you can go cheap.

Just because these kids exist on the roster doesn’t mean they get paid. We have maybe 2 players on our team right now worth getting paid on a 9 million roster.

You can’t take the normal roster payout and apply it to Rutgers, because we can’t recruit like most other schools. You pay according to the talent onhand. Jamichael certainly isn’t the 2nd best player on the roster. Till date, a $2.5M Center hasn’t been willing to come to Rutgers, so the point is moot.

Our best players over the course of the season have been Francis and Grant.

$9M is peanuts when everyone else is playing with $12M+. Kids get more expensive in the portal every year.

Rutgers isn’t capable of recruiting high level kids, most years, with Ace and Dylan notable exceptions , so we hope we develop them from either the portal or high school. Cam Spencer from the portal is the ideal transfer. People love to rag on Lino, but he is developing, and I just hope we can keep him. As is Grant, and most everyone else. Kids like Ogbole will never be good enough to play at a high level, but at least he plays with good effort. But at the same time, he isn’t the defensive presence you need from your shot blocker, so it’s hard to win with a Center like him. But that’s the caliber of Center we attract.

Our opportunity to make the tournament is going to come down to whether we can choose the right mid major players, who can impact, but that’s the rub. Hard for me to see anything but a mediocre future for both football and basketball due to insufficient NIL.
 

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That’s $2M per starter with a $4M bench.

For perspective, Nick Martinelli is a $2M player. That’s five extremely high end starters and a bench budget that exceeds our entire roster budget for this year.

Sounds like the hedging is beginning for next season that $10M wasn’t enough to compete. Talent evaluation matters.
 

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You can’t take the normal roster payout and apply it to Rutgers, because we can’t recruit like most other schools. You pay according to the talent onhand. Jamichael certainly isn’t the 2nd best player on the roster. Till date, a $2.5M Center hasn’t been willing to come to Rutgers, so the point is moot.

Our best players over the course of the season have been Francis and Grant.

$9M is peanuts when everyone else is playing with $12M+. Kids get more expensive in the portal every year.

Rutgers isn’t capable of recruiting high level kids, most years, with Ace and Dylan notable exceptions , so we hope we develop them from either the portal or high school. Cam Spencer from the portal is the ideal transfer. People love to rag on Lino, but he is developing, and I just hope we can keep him. As is Grant, and most everyone else. Kids like Ogbole will never be good enough to play at a high level, but at least he plays with good effort. But at the same time, he isn’t the defensive presence you need from your shot blocker, so it’s hard to win with a Center like him. But that’s the caliber of Center we attract.

Our opportunity to make the tournament is going to come down to whether we can choose the right mid major players, who can impact, but that’s the rub. Hard for me to see anything but a mediocre future for both football and basketball due to insufficient NIL.
Sadly Al I don’t see it coming. The GM on the Nj.com podcast the other day backed off on if he’d have even an $8mm MBB budget.
 
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After watching what I believe is a roster of potential with RU and seeing what the rest of the B1G, Big 12, SEC and most of the ACC has, I dont see a path towards being a competitive roster (NCAA caliber), unless its a bare minimum of 12M and probably 14M in NIL funding.....before someone calls me crazy, I am watching the entire landscape of rosters in ALL conferences and not piecing together a roster on a standard RU budget (non-existent as of today).

First of all, ANY credible talent level of starters in all 5 positions, should cost around 10M in total money......not what RU should pay for the current starting 5, but what it would take to be around .500 in the B1G or a 9 to 11 seed in the NCAAs.

So.....the question is.....how many actual RU players can develop into a starter or has starter level or rotational level talent??

Based on where things stand today and after the Minnesota game, there are players who have starting level capacity BUT are young.....and we have players who are starting here, but probably would be a bench or role player, on a NCAA caliber roster.

A starting PF/C, is an approximate cost of 1.75 to 2.5M.....someone who provides 12 to 14PPG ans 6 to 8 RPG.....(someone with a minimum skill set or player thats a blend of Myles Johnson and Cliff Omoyuri)....

A starting caliber PF/ hybrid Forward......typically costs around 1.25M to 1.5M, depending on level of player.....probably someone who has some level of defense and perimeter shooting.....Is Dylan Grant that level of player OR can he be that level of player next year....?? TBD, but my guess is we need someone who is good for 12 to 13PPG and 6 boards, with solid defense and perimeter shooting, who can also create their own shot.

Small Forward.....Self explanatory.....approximate cost of 1.25 to 1.75M, depending on level of player.....to be competitive, we need a player at RHJ level or better. To date, we have not had a player other than Ace Bailey, who fits this role, since RHJ left...

Shooting guard......Kaden Powers shows flashes of potential and is improving. I would not expect to improve on finding a better option in the portal, UNLESS, you are planning to spend a minimum of 1.75M to 2M, for a proven scoring option.....The market dictated last spring and showed Southern Illinois SG, Kennard Davis was that level of player, but he landed at BYU for north of 2M....he averaged 20PPG at SIU and even Purdue decided to invest elsewhere, deciding to build internally and with HS players......I would invest in Powers and bet on his improvement.

PG.....if you asked me this 3 weeks ago, I would have told you before RU went west to USC and UCLA, that Lino Mark was not part of the solution, despite his 4* ranking..

Well, as that west coast trip....in essentially 4 games (not going to count 1 minute played vs Maryland as the 5th game.....

Mark....16 of 28 from the field....5 of 11 from 3....44 points in 4 games....11PPG....in only 77 minutes of playing time.

I would not be under the impression that is an abberation.....the kid makes plays when there's no play to be made.....add to it, his willingness to be an on the ball defender and a knack for steals, he COULD, be a starter that is capable of being a solution....definitely based on this streak of games, he appears to be trending UP and a player I would invest in.

Dorian Jones....CG.....why mention a kid who is redshirting?? Because his tape and length and shot making on tape, is equal or better than Mark and Powers.....he just needs minutes next year......hard to overpay here, but I can't imagine him redshirting and not playing a big role next year.

The remaining pieces of Francis, Zrno, Dortch, Buchanan, Nwuli and JMike Davis all have some value.....but we are probably better off paying Francis and let him cook as the 6th man off the bench....invest there.

So, I have 4 players as likely to keep.....and a roster of 13 spots......if you keep Grant, thats north of 1M, anyway you slice it OR, you pay another 750K over Grant's number for a proven player.....either way, that starting spot is 1M to 1.2M Grant or 1.75 to 2M (more proven player via the portal).

If we acknowledge that a legitimate PF/C would cost RU at least 1.75M to 2.5M, these are the numbers.

C.....2.0M
PF Grant or upgrade (1.75M)
Wing or someone via Portal with talent (1.5M or 1.75M)
Powers (750K to 1M)
Mark (750K to 1M)
Jones (500K to 1M)
Francis (1.25M to 1.5M)
Buchanan/Zrno (500K each)
Rest of roster (Davis, Dortch, Ware, etc 1M to 1.5M for

This is an estimated 13M and has players that we may not agree "are worth this or that", but if you say "you can't give Dylan Grant, Powers or Mark XYZ amount, are you upgrading with a more proven player?? If so, add more money to that amount.

This is the actual math and I am not advocating to drop one player to pay another player.....that is a losing equation...

We have seen already this year that "we cant pay Lathan Sommerville 1M or more!!...well, we have the worse production out of any Power 4 program, at the 5 position.....with Ogbole, Fall, Dortch asked to play the 5, and Ware).....we are essentially getting 2PPG from Ogbole in MOST games.....can a B1G program win, with a starter only scoring 2PPG.....??

JMike Davis starts most of the games this year at around 7PPG.....in 25 or more minutes.....can you win games with a guard playing 20 to 25MPG and scoring 7PPG???

There is NO path to success without a NIL budget of a FLOOR amount of 12M.....this is not the Big East, AAC or Mountai West conference.....in a Power 4 league, you need front line talent and money.....until then, its asking a lot of ANY coach in this type of situation.....
Hawk, using your numbers, and agreeing C/rim protector is the most important for Pike, couldn’t this work:
C.....2.0M
PF Grant (1.2MM)
Powers (800K)
Mark (800K)
Jones (500K)
Francis (1.3M)
Buchanan/Zrno (500K each), 1MM total
Rest of roster (Davis, Dortch, Ware, etc 1MM
That’s 8.6MM. 7.6MM for your top 8. Aren’t we just a lot better with that and if Pike could crack down defending screen and rolls, 3s and get more ball movement consistently into the offense. I know it’s thin but if there’s a major injury in that top 7-8 you can give him a pass because if you pay for depth with our budget you just have a whole bunch of less than mediocre.
 
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You can’t take the normal roster payout and apply it to Rutgers, because we can’t recruit like most other schools. You pay according to the talent onhand. Jamichael certainly isn’t the 2nd best player on the roster. Till date, a $2.5M Center hasn’t been willing to come to Rutgers, so the point is moot.

Our best players over the course of the season have been Francis and Grant.

$9M is peanuts when everyone else is playing with $12M+. Kids get more expensive in the portal every year.

Rutgers isn’t capable of recruiting high level kids, most years, with Ace and Dylan notable exceptions , so we hope we develop them from either the portal or high school. Cam Spencer from the portal is the ideal transfer. People love to rag on Lino, but he is developing, and I just hope we can keep him. As is Grant, and most everyone else. Kids like Ogbole will never be good enough to play at a high level, but at least he plays with good effort. But at the same time, he isn’t the defensive presence you need from your shot blocker, so it’s hard to win with a Center like him. But that’s the caliber of Center we attract.

Our opportunity to make the tournament is going to come down to whether we can choose the right mid major players, who can impact, but that’s the rub. Hard for me to see anything but a mediocre future for both football and basketball due to insufficient NIL.
Nah we had several bigs we could have added in the past few years and didn’t because we didn’t want to “play that game.”

Forget the kids name but I think Ewin(?) at FSU was ready to come here but we didn’t want to up our bid. That’s been confirmed reported by the mods.

Recruiting isn’t a thing anymore Al. You just need to pay more, that’s all. And maybe we need to overpay, but that’s not the point.

If RU had 2.5 mill to drop on a big, we would have had a legit big here.

One day we’re going to be in the next era of what R Hoops will look like in the NIL world and you’re going to be shocked.
 

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How much coaching is actually involved if you have a RHJ, Jacob Young, Geo Baker Caleb McConnell, Mulcahy, Mathis and Cliff/Myles Johnson replica on the floor at Minnesota today?? I don't think Minnesota scores 80 and probably doesnt reach 70.....does that RU roster score just 60PPG most nights, or closer to 70PPG??

Pike could have tried different mixes and matches today, but it would be somewhat disrespectful to Minnesota, USC and even Washington arriving here on Tuesday, to say RU has more talent than those 3 rosters.....and none of those rosters are going to make the NCAAs, as of now.....USC is the closest.

I would actually PREFER, that RU finds 2 more freshman in the 2026 class at the PF and PG spots.....and provides a bridge of players to eventually have on the roster once Francis and JMike graduate and Buchanan graduates after next year.

It would be the most effective way to use limited funds, but I would not expect to be in NCAA contention next year, with that path.....that would be a 2027-28 potential NCAA roster, but assumes we have money to retain players and invest in more for 2027 in HS recruiting.

I don't think we have more money allocated on the roster than anyone except maybe PSU.....
That roster you just listed almost lost to Minnesota. Minnesota was not good then and just an incredible athletic play by Young saved the game for Rutgers. Folks can cover for Pikiell all they want but he has struggled with developing a roster. Everyone points to the small window in which he had Baker, Harper, McConnell as his core. That is as far has he has gotten.
 

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Back to our reality check; Pike is here next season (unless someone sees him walking away); and the conversation with Rob Sullivan (with Politi) had the number around $8M (but some others have gone up to $10m); so that's pretty much the budget. And someone in that conversation used "money ball" within the context of the roster construction. So, what do you do with $8-10M; first hope that Mr. Sullivan is very good at what he does. Second - with all the conversation about who to retain or jettison; there is only one player I want back; and appears that's contingent on BK's future. And frankly (but unrealistically) they can turn-over the rest of the roster. So, start with getting the Center; move next to a scoring SF (they exist I see them on TV); and then decide PG versus PF as the next portal get; After that part is figured out - than we can determine which 5 or 6 should get the rest of the dollars available to play alongside TF.
 

NewJerseyHawk

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Hawk, using your numbers, and agreeing C/rim protector is the most important for Pike, couldn’t this work:
C.....2.0M
PF Grant (1.2MM)
Powers (800K)
Mark (800K)
Jones (500K)
Francis (1.3M)
Buchanan/Zrno (500K each), 1MM total
Rest of roster (Davis, Dortch, Ware, etc 1MM
That’s 8.6MM. 7.6MM for your top 8. Aren’t we just a lot better with that and if Pike could crack down defending screen and rolls, 3s and get more ball movement consistently into the offense. I know it’s thin but if there’s a major injury in that top 7-8 you can give him a pass because if you pay for depth with our budget you just have a whole bunch of less than mediocre.
If I add Imahri Wooten in 2026, we are at 9M with your estimate, which I think is reasonable.

The starting 5 you're finding is probably a 13 & 7 guy at 2M, which is much better than Ogbole at 2PPG.

That alone buys us another 3 to 5 wins.....so let's say we wind up with 13 wins and 19 losses. A serviceable big next year brings us to 16-16 or 17-15 record, with some modest improvements.

We are still accounting for players 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13 at just 1M?? Which is feasible if they're not B1G caliber OR mid major bench players.

Ware, Baye Fall, JMike Davis. Nwuli & Badalau and Dortch in your breakdown are these players.

Big man Portal
Grant
Zrno
Powers
Mark

That's the starting 5.

Francis is your 12 to 13PPG off the bench.

Dorian Jones, JMike are the 4th and 5th guards.

Zrno, Wooten, Buchanan, Grant are you're primary SF and PFs...

Portal center, Dortch, Ware and a TBD for Fall are the bigs (Ogbole graduates).

This is probably a conservative estimate, but if you add a big at 2M, its hard to pay 6 bench players just 1M, while the other 7 get 8.5 to 9.5 to M.....

You could do it that way, i just believe the drop-off from the 7th player to the 8th, is steep, unless Nwuli, JMike and Ware take big steps forward.
 

mugrat86

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Any team that consists of Buchanon, Dortch, Ogbole, & Bacalau playing any meaningful minutes is a cinch to finish in last place
 

dark_check

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If I add Imahri Wooten in 2026, we are at 9M with your estimate, which I think is reasonable.

The starting 5 you're finding is probably a 13 & 7 guy at 2M, which is much better than Ogbole at 2PPG.

That alone buys us another 3 to 5 wins.....so let's say we wind up with 13 wins and 19 losses. A serviceable big next year brings us to 16-16 or 17-15 record, with some modest improvements.

We are still accounting for players 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13 at just 1M?? Which is feasible if they're not B1G caliber OR mid major bench players.

Ware, Baye Fall, JMike Davis. Nwuli & Badalau and Dortch in your breakdown are these players.

Big man Portal
Grant
Zrno
Powers
Mark

That's the starting 5.

Francis is your 12 to 13PPG off the bench.

Dorian Jones, JMike are the 4th and 5th guards.

Zrno, Wooten, Buchanan, Grant are you're primary SF and PFs...

Portal center, Dortch, Ware and a TBD for Fall are the bigs (Ogbole graduates).

This is probably a conservative estimate, but if you add a big at 2M, its hard to pay 6 bench players just 1M, while the other 7 get 8.5 to 9.5 to M.....

You could do it that way, i just believe the drop-off from the 7th player to the 8th, is steep, unless Nwuli, JMike and Ware take big steps forward.
In my post 7.6mm got us eight deep. The other mill was for 9-14. I realize that’s still very top heavy but we have to cut corners somewhere to get to a winning team with a seven not eight figure budget (I can’t believe I just said that and we’re where we are with college sports). BTW I’m for NIL but think it should come in the form of a cbt and tv revenue sharing with the ncaa.
 

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In my post 7.6mm got us eight deep. The other mill was for 9-14. I realize that’s still very top heavy but we have to cut corners somewhere to get to a winning team with a seven not eight figure budget (I can’t believe I just said that and we’re where we are with college sports). BTW I’m for NIL but think it should come in the form of a cbt and tv revenue sharing with the ncaa.
A competitive balance tax will not happen. Why would Ohio State agree to take money from Ohio State ticket buyers and Ohio State donors and transfer Ohio State money to Schiano and Pike?

The NCAA already shares revenue with schools. Rutgers gets $3 million to $5 million per year from the NCAA.
 

NJ-Hoops17

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I understand that RU probably does need $12+ million to feel comfortable about fielding NCAA-caliber roster, but what are the estimated MBB budgets for other B1G teams competing for NCAA spots (i.e. Wisconsin, Iowa, UCLA, Indiana, USC, OSU)?

I thought the best MBB teams this year were spending $12-15 million. Has the price to be "in the mix for 10 seed or so" really just gone up 50-75%?
 

dark_check

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A competitive balance tax will not happen. Why would Ohio State agree to take money from Ohio State ticket buyers and Ohio State donors and transfer Ohio State money to Schiano and Pike?

The NCAA already shares revenue with schools. Rutgers gets $3 million to $5 million per year from the NCAA.
Thanks for the education. I was thinking an NFL model where the players get 51% of all revenue. I’m not sure how that 3-5 works out as a percentage of total revenue. Also I wasn’t thinking of a balance tax. Of course richer schools will have more from additional donations.
 

RU-ROCS

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The answer is a new coach and more NIL. Anyone who doesn’t think Pike is a big parr of the problem has blinders on.
But the problem is you need a lot more NIL to attract a better coach. And, you need a whale to finance Pike‘s huge buyout (thanks Hobbs). So I don’t see the situation improving anytime soon!
 

RU-ROCS

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I understand that RU probably does need $12+ million to feel comfortable about fielding NCAA-caliber roster, but what are the estimated MBB budgets for other B1G teams competing for NCAA spots (i.e. Wisconsin, Iowa, UCLA, Indiana, USC, OSU)?

I thought the best MBB teams this year were spending $12-15 million. Has the price to be "in the mix for 10 seed or so" really just gone up 50-75%?
Don’t forget…. Successful programs with great coaches and consistent tourney appearances can pay less for top talent, while RU has to pay a premium.
 
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needmorecowbell

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How much coaching is actually involved if you have a RHJ, Jacob Young, Geo Baker Caleb McConnell, Mulcahy, Mathis and Cliff/Myles Johnson replica on the floor at Minnesota today?? I don't think Minnesota scores 80 and probably doesnt reach 70.....does that RU roster score just 60PPG most nights, or closer to 70PPG??

Pike could have tried different mixes and matches today, but it would be somewhat disrespectful to Minnesota, USC and even Washington arriving here on Tuesday, to say RU has more talent than those 3 rosters.....and none of those rosters are going to make the NCAAs, as of now.....USC is the closest.

I would actually PREFER, that RU finds 2 more freshman in the 2026 class at the PF and PG spots.....and provides a bridge of players to eventually have on the roster once Francis and JMike graduate and Buchanan graduates after next year.

It would be the most effective way to use limited funds, but I would not expect to be in NCAA contention next year, with that path.....that would be a 2027-28 potential NCAA roster, but assumes we have money to retain players and invest in more for 2027 in HS recruiting.

I don't think we have more money allocated on the roster than anyone except maybe PSU.....
The $$ might actually be lower than PSU.
 

Scarletnut

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I think Jelly was one of the few posters that made the move with John O to TOS and never returned even after it crashed and burned.
TOS premium has not crashed and burned. Its actually doing very well with lots of good content.
 

Loyal-Son

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The answer is a new coach and more NIL. Anyone who doesn’t think Pike is a big parr of the problem has blinders on.
Guilty, as charged.

I can only marvel at your acumen.

Remind me, how many tournaments have your teams won?

Oh! Right! It doesn't matter because you have a gift. lol
 
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