Ok, time for the 0Z model post and general commentary, but the big issue is what I just posted about - the Euro taking a large step back in snowfall as it moved its track ~50 miles east dragging the precip shield with it leaving only 2-3" for NW of 95, 3-5" for 95 and 5-8" towards the coast, which most snow lovers would've killed for as an outcome just 24 hours ago. As I said in that post, the most logical explanation is an outlier as the last 17 model runs over the last 2 suites gave a minimum of 6-10" for 95 with close to half of those showing at least 12-18" for 95. But it's the Euro and many will panic, because it is possible it's found something and will lead a retreat in snowfall from the other models. We won't know for awhile.
Regardless, I'm sure with the many big bombs at 18Z and 0Z many forecasters might have been tempted to make big jumps in their snowfall forecasts, but I think the Euro will scare off many of them until we know what this all means. I'm still good with the 4-6"NW of 95, 6-9" for 95 and 9-12" for the coast, which is very close to what the NWS has now, but until the Euro I had also been thinking the NWS would go up 2-4" across the board to something like 6-8" for NW of 95, 8-12" for 95 and 12-16" for the coast, but probably not now.
Anyway, it's always worth noting the range of potential outcomes and it's pretty clear that 12-24" amounts for most, especially near the coast, are very possible, as we've seen that and more in a few models and on the other end just 24 hours ago we were seeing many models only showing a few to several inches and that still can't be ruled out either, along with everything in-between. Even though we're only 36 hours from the start of the event, the uncertainty remains very high. So here are the 0Z model comments.
- 0Z NAM was snowmageddon with 12-20" NW of 95 and 20-36" from 95 to the coast. That would be historic.
- 0Z ICON has 12-16" for 95/NW and 16-22" from 95 to the coast. Pretty big and a significant bump up from 18Z.
- 0Z RGEM has 5-7" for NW of 95, 7-9" for 95 and 9-12" for the coast (increased 1-2" vs 18Z).
- 0Z CMC has 6-8" for NW of 95, 8-10" for 95 and 10-16" towards the coast
- 0Z GFS is 14-24" N of 276/195 and 24-30" S of 276/195. Would also be historic (and similar to 18Z)
- 0Z AIGFS had 8-12" NW of 95, 12-18" for 95 and 18-22" towards the coast (same as 18Z)
- 0Z UK was 8-12" NW of 95 and 12-16" for 95 towards the coast (a 2-4" bump up from 12Z)
- 0Z Euro-AIFS is 6-8" NW of 95, 8-12" for 95 and 12-16" towards the coast (a 2-3" decrease from 18Z)
- 0Z Euro shows 2-4" NW of 95, 4-6" for 95 and 6-9" towards the coast (a 2-4" decrease from 18Z)
- 0Z NBM was 16-22" NW of 95 and 22-28" from 95 towards the coast, which is huge for a model blend


Unlikely given that the NWS just came out with 16-20" for the coast.ABC NY still has 12-18 for the Coast. Any chance they back off later today?
Likely you'll be fine if you're off the roads before 1-2 pm as snow before 3-4 pm should be lighter and won't accumulate on paved surfaces during the day with temps in the mid-30s; it might even be some rain early on south of 78 and especially south of 195. However, as bac correctly pointed out a couple of models do have some heavier snow starting by 1-2 pm, so I'd keep an eye on that before making that decision as you don't want to be caught in moderate to heavy snow (visibility issues) even if you're on a major road that is mostly wet.What time do we think this would start? If I was going to Hunter tomorrow at 6 AM and back around 2 PM, will there be much accululation at the start or is this more of a later afternoon/evening/overnight storm? Northern Bergen resident.
Yes, but look on the bright side if you hate snow - the NWS is still carrying a worst credible 10% probability case with only 1-4" for everyone. I think it's way less than a 10% chance, but they're the pros. Snow lovers will root for the 10% probability high end case, below. And I'm putting in the actual forecast map first to lower the likelihood of confusion, I hope (I generally don't share these 10% probability cases as inevitably some don't read my text (too long, I get it) or even read the title of the graphic.Is there a NAM model forecasting approx 26 inches for CNJ and dare I say 40 inches for coastal Ocean County?
Blizzard Warning for Monmouth County !




I'm calling a bust of less than 4" at the shore. Just a hunch. I hope this is not a jinx.Yes, but look on the bright side if you hate snow - the NWS is still carrying a worst credible 10% probability case with only 1-4" for everyone. I think it's way less than a 10% chance, but they're the pros. Snow lovers will root for the 10% probability high end case, below. And I'm putting in the actual forecast map first to lower the likelihood of confusion, I hope (I generally don't share these 10% probability cases as inevitably some don't read my text (too long, I get it) or even read the title of the graphic.
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I thought I saw the NAM wasnt aggressive with an earlier start time on its 6z runLikely you'll be fine if you're off the roads before 1-2 pm as snow before 3-4 pm should be lighter and won't accumulate on paved surfaces during the day with temps in the mid-30s; it might even be some rain early on south of 78 and especially south of 195. However, as bac correctly pointed out a couple of models do have some heavier snow starting by 1-2 pm, so I'd keep an eye on that before making that decision as you don't want to be caught in moderate to heavy snow (visibility issues) even if you're on a major road that is mostly wet.
It's not, it's the GFS still - was just noting it in general...I thought I saw the NAM wasnt aggressive with an earlier start time on its 6z run
She might be able to make it with no precip but there could be some rain or non accumulating snow around on major roads. If she doesnt mind driving in that she could be okay. Definitely be aware of any changes to start time throughout the dayMy mom is looking to head from Bound Brook to Mt Laurel tomorrow morning around 8. She's old and doesn't like driving in bad weather. How's it looking?
Seems like it will be too warmI'm calling a bust of less than 4" at the shore. Just a hunch. I hope this is not a jinx.![]()
Read all the posts aboveMy mom is looking to head from Bound Brook to Mt Laurel tomorrow morning around 8. She's old and doesn't like driving in bad weather. How's it looking?
Plans on staying a couple of days? If she doesn’t like driving in bad weather why would she be travelling during a storm that will take 2 days to leave the area?My mom is looking to head from Bound Brook to Mt Laurel tomorrow morning around 8. She's old and doesn't like driving in bad weather. How's it looking?
Summary: NWS issued blizzard warnings for all coastal counties in orange from DE through NJ (Cape May to Monmouth), and NYC/LI as they expect winds to be gusting up to 55 mph (frequent gusts over 35 mph is the blizzard wind criterion). Most of the rest of the counties are under winter storm warnings (pink) for varying amounts of snow (see the map) with only the far NW areas (Poconos and Lehigh Valley) remaining under watches (blue-grey) until they have more data to convert them to either warnings (if 6"+ snow) or advisories (if <6" snow). Also, the rest of the counties will have gusts up to 40 mph, so occasional blizzard conditions are possible.
As per the updated NWS map with 8-12" NW of 95,12-16" for 95 and 16-20" at the coast, this is a dangerous storm with the worst conditions starting after about 2 pm Sunday (the snow before then should be lighter and likely won't accumulate much with temps in the mid-30s S of 78 and there might even be rain to start S of 78), but especially after sunset on Sunday through Monday morning. There will also likely be minor to moderate coastal flooding from this powerful nor’easter (will have the pressure of a Cat 2 hurricane).
Details: And now let's see how we do at 6Z. Bottom line is most of the models didn't change too much from 0Z, except for the Euro, which went back to the level of snowfall it had at 18Z, implying that the low/SE run at 0Z was a blip; also the ICON took a 4-5" step down from 0Z (but to a middle of the road solution). Looks kind of like we have 3 camps: i) the historic camp of the NAM, GFS and NBM with over 20" for most; ii) the "average" camp of the ICON, AIGFS, and UK which have 12-16" amounts for 95 with less NW and more to the coast, and iii) the "low end" camp with the RGEM, CMC, AIFS and Euro with roughly 6-10" for 95 with less NW and more towards the coast.
Clearly, the NWS has gone with the "average" camp, with 8-12" NW of 95, 12-16" for 95 and 16-20" for the coast, which kind of makes sense, although I might've gone up a bit less than they did knowing there is a lower end camp, but I understand why they did it, since going with the low end and having something near the high end verify would have people not quite ready for a close to historic storm. They can easily bump down from the average camp if things trend that way before the storm starts and easily bump up if the low end models bump up significantly.
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- 6Z NAM was still snowmageddon with 14-25" NW of 95 to 25-36" from 95 to the coast. Still historic.
- 6Z ICON was 8-12" NW of 95 and 12-16" from 95 to the coast. Pretty significant 4-5" step down from 0Z.
- 6Z RGEM has 6-8" for NW of 95, 8-10" for 95 and 10-14" for the coast (increased ~1" vs 0Z).
- 6Z GFS is a general 16-22" for everyone with a blob of 22-28" for Ocean/Monmouth. Still historic, but a bit less snow v 0Z.
- 6Z AIGFS had 8-12" NW of 95, 12-18" for 95 and 18-22" towards the coast (same as 0Z)
- 6Z UK was 8-12" NW of 95 and 12-16" for 95 towards the coast (similar to 0Z)
- 6Z Euro-AIFS is 6-9" NW of 95, 9-12" for 95 and 12-16" towards the coast (similar to 0Z)
- 6Z Euro shows 4-7" NW of 95, 7-9" for 95 and 9-12" towards the coast (a 2-3" increase from 0Z and just about back to where it was at 18Z, so the 0Z run looks like it might've been a blip).
- 6Z NBM shows 16-22" NW of 95 and 22-28" from 95 towards the coast, which is huge/historic for a model blend.
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I think if the euro comes in similar to how it was and how the canadian, reggie and likely the ukie, NWS and tv mets will pretty much keep their amounts of 8-16. GFS backed off ever so slightly and thats a tough gradient for nw jersey. There could be some similarities to Boxing Day although it wont be the same north to south gradient. Coastal areas have consistently shown up in the sweet spot on almost every modelJust woke up from a nap and my wife and I are listening to Ed Wong on WRSU, as tonight is the 19th Melody Reunion (helped Ed out with moving/setting up at the Elks last night); he still has my favorite radio show anywhere. Anyway, just looked at the insane NAM and HRRR runs - if any of these bomb models actually verify, we're talking 2-3 feet of snow, which would be paralyzing, like Jan-96 or 12/26/2010 (Boxing Day Blizzard) and a few others. It's not a fantasy, but hard to "predict" that as a forecaster. Anyway here's the usual model summary below - will update as models come out...
Keep in mind these are all at 10:1 ratios: ratios should be less than that for the first several hours with marginal temps, but then as temps drop below 32F and intensity goes up ratios should go above 10:1 and could go well above that for most with great dendrite formation aloft - but with fairly high winds, dendrites might break up negating that. Since predicting ratios can be such a crap shoot, I usually just use the 10:1 numbers, but if we don't get a lot of breakage, 12-15: ratios are more likely. We'll see.
- 12Z NAM is an historic bomb w/ a 24" line from New Hope to SI and 16-24" NW of that line and 24-36" SE of that
- Very similar to 6Z and amazingly, the last 4 runs have been like this.
- 12Z HRRR is out of its range, but it shows 12-24" for most just through 7 am Monday
- 12Z RGEM has 5-8" NW, 8-12" for 95, and 12-16" towards the coast (fairly similar to 6Z)
- 12Z ICON has 7-9" NW, 9-13" for 95 and 13-16" towards the coast (fairly similar to 6Z)
- 12Z GFS has 12-16" NW, 16-22" for 95 and 22-26" for parts of the coast (close to historic and fairly similar to 6Z)
- 12Z CMC has 5-9" NW, 9-13" for 95 and 13-17" towards the coast (a bit snowier than 0Z
Agreed, smells like a bust. Warm temps, changeover from rain, hmm.....I'm calling a bust of less than 4" at the shore. Just a hunch. I hope this is not a jinx.![]()
Well, you’re consistent! I’ll give you thatAgreed, smells like a bust. Warm temps, changeover from rain, hmm.....
already in SC and will be down in Panama City Beach first 2 weeks of March myself. Weather this month has been a bit warmer than past years but much less sun. Most days overcast and rainy today , tomorrow, and back into upper 40's for Monday - Tuesday before finally hitting Sun and 60's for last few days of feb. We are certainly hoping for some really nice weeks in Fla. before trekking back home late March.Heading to the free state of Florida tomorrow just in time!
I agree that short of a big change from the Euros, there's nothing at 12Z that will likely change any forecasters minds. That wasn't in the version you quoted, as I update that as the models come out and just added that.I think if the euro comes in similar to how it was and how the canadian, reggie and likely the ukie, NWS and tv mets will pretty much keep their amounts of 8-16. GFS backed off ever so slightly and thats a tough gradient for nw jersey. There could be some similarities to Boxing Day although it wont be the same north to south gradient. Coastal areas have consistently shown up in the sweet spot on almost every model