Penn State - Princeton ‘26 match thread
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Cael, Nick, and Cody were on their chairs discussing the number of stall calls. Nick says it's over. Cael signals "5" to the scorekeeper. Start watching at 0:08.
Penn State scored shutouts in 8 of their 15 duals this season, for a shutout rate of 53% and a dual meet differential score of 39.4. They only had one opponent who scored double digit team points against them with Nebraska scoring twelve team points.
Those teams in NCAA history at or near the top in dual meet differential scores and/or a high number of shutouts during their dual seasons include the following:
The team with the second best dual differential score behind this season's Penn State team is Iowa's 1990-1991 team who ended their dual season 25-0-1 (the tie was to Penn State 19-19). They had a 38.8 point dual differential, although three of their dual opponents were non-D1 (Mankato State, Loras and Ithaca), who they outscored by a combined score of 155-0. They had five total shutouts. Besides their 19-19 tie to Penn State, they gave up 11 points to Northern Iowa and 9 points to both Iowa State and Minnesota.
Iowa's 1991-1992 team went 16-0 with five shutouts and a dual differential score of 37. Two of their shutouts were to non-D1 teams (Loras and S. Colorado) who they outscored by a combined score of 100-0.
The 1982-1983 Oklahoma State team was 22-0 in duals for an NCAA season record of 10 shutouts, but their shutout rate is only 45% compared to Penn State's 53%. One of their shutouts was to a non-D1 school. If that shutout is removed their shutout rate goes down to 43%. Their dual differential was 30.5 points. That season they took second to Iowa in the NCAA tournament by 53 points.
Iowa's team with the most shutouts is their 2009-2010 team. They had eight shutouts out of 23 duals, but three of them were to non-D1 teams. They outscored their four non-D1 opponents (Coe, Cornell College, Iowa Lakes and UNC Pembroke) 195-3. Their dual meet differential was 30 points.
I went through Iowa State's historical records, and their best teams were in the early 1970s, but their dual season results were worse than Oklahoma State and Iowa's best dual meet teams.
Those teams in NCAA history at or near the top in dual meet differential scores and/or a high number of shutouts during their dual seasons include the following:
The team with the second best dual differential score behind this season's Penn State team is Iowa's 1990-1991 team who ended their dual season 25-0-1 (the tie was to Penn State 19-19). They had a 38.8 point dual differential, although three of their dual opponents were non-D1 (Mankato State, Loras and Ithaca), who they outscored by a combined score of 155-0. They had five total shutouts. Besides their 19-19 tie to Penn State, they gave up 11 points to Northern Iowa and 9 points to both Iowa State and Minnesota.
Iowa's 1991-1992 team went 16-0 with five shutouts and a dual differential score of 37. Two of their shutouts were to non-D1 teams (Loras and S. Colorado) who they outscored by a combined score of 100-0.
The 1982-1983 Oklahoma State team was 22-0 in duals for an NCAA season record of 10 shutouts, but their shutout rate is only 45% compared to Penn State's 53%. One of their shutouts was to a non-D1 school. If that shutout is removed their shutout rate goes down to 43%. Their dual differential was 30.5 points. That season they took second to Iowa in the NCAA tournament by 53 points.
Iowa's team with the most shutouts is their 2009-2010 team. They had eight shutouts out of 23 duals, but three of them were to non-D1 teams. They outscored their four non-D1 opponents (Coe, Cornell College, Iowa Lakes and UNC Pembroke) 195-3. Their dual meet differential was 30 points.
I went through Iowa State's historical records, and their best teams were in the early 1970s, but their dual season results were worse than Oklahoma State and Iowa's best dual meet teams.
You almost never see the assassin it in HS, because it's illegal in HS. If you do see it, and the whistle is not blown, then the ref screwed up, and missed the fact that the offensive wrestler was using an assassin. The ref has the option in HS of stopping the action when the assassin is employed for potentially dangerous, or if they feel the move is intentional or used to punish the opponent, then they can stop the action and award a point to the defensive wrestler for an illegal move by the offensive wrestler.
Gopsusports.com had the dual TD numbers before tonight's dual, and I modified the numbers to include tonight's dual. Therefore, these are the season-ending TD numbers for each wrestler:
WRstats25-26.pdf
The official sports website for Penn State Athletics. Learn about schedules, rosters, scores, and Penn State Nittany Lion players at gopsusports.com.
Luke 51-1
Marcus 50-1
Braeden 23-10
SVN 58-6
PJ 50-2
MM 45-1
Levi 48-3
Rocco 50-4
Josh 45-1
Cole 38-6
To have seven wrestlers give up four or less takedowns in a complete dual season is bonkers, especially when four of them only gave up one takedown each.
*** Team total ***
458-35
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Well ...Idk what to say. I also ran those numbers and that's not what I got haha. Hmm I'll double check in a day or two. I do have the 90-91 Hawkeyes at 33.9 so we agree there..
I just check again. I have that 91-92 team at 16-0, total margin of victory of either 590/591 depending on which score you used for the one dual. Checked two separate sources but I primarily used the main hawkeyesportsonline site or whatever it's called. Either way, this years Penn State team clears haha
I wonder what is Desmond ratio?Gopsusports.com had the dual TD numbers before tonight's dual, and I modified the numbers to include tonight's dual. Therefore, these are the season-ending TD numbers for each wrestler:
WRstats25-26.pdf
The official sports website for Penn State Athletics. Learn about schedules, rosters, scores, and Penn State Nittany Lion players at gopsusports.com.gopsusports.com
Luke 51-1
Marcus 50-1
Braeden 23-10
SVN 58-6
PJ 50-2
MM 45-1
Levi 48-3
Rocco 50-4
Josh 45-1
Cole 38-6
*** Team total ***
458-35
You are correct. I ran the numbers again for the 91-92 season and came up with your 36.9 number. Thanks!
Oh you had me concerned because then I couldn't trust any of my data from Cael to TnT, John Smith or gable
. Phew.Their game plans are all the same. They stall for six minutes and forty seconds and then cry like babies when the PSU wrestler won't let them take them down at the very end.
Who would have predicted that MM would be tied for seventh in total takedowns on the year for PSU?!Gopsusports.com had the dual TD numbers before tonight's dual, and I modified the numbers to include tonight's dual. Therefore, these are the season-ending TD numbers for each wrestler:
WRstats25-26.pdf
The official sports website for Penn State Athletics. Learn about schedules, rosters, scores, and Penn State Nittany Lion players at gopsusports.com.
Luke 51-1
Marcus 50-1
Braeden 23-10
SVN 58-6
PJ 50-2
MM 45-1
Levi 48-3
Rocco 50-4
Josh 45-1
Cole 38-6
*** Team total ***
458-35
I love that he works for the pin this year!
I think initially the kid’s foot was actually under him and blocking the shoulder. I don’t know how, but that’s how it looked. I didn’t replay it.
Looking forward to watching the match and seeing what everyone was writing about. Especially Levi’s final match at Rec hall. Hopefully it’s up on YouTube already.
I just turned 45 and get injured constantly from nothing. No acute traumatic events. Currently have a broken pinky toe and am waiting for MRI results to see if I need shoulder surgery (already had the other shoulder sewn up 2yrs ago). I haven't lifted, rolled, or sparred in two weeks because of the shoulder - nothing but walking and yoga - and somehow I'm still sore. I'm not that far removed from getting hurt and just knowing I'd be fine with a single night's rest, but you hit a chronological point and you just don't recover.
I have a few buddies in their 60's who are grappling 4-5x/week (one just earned his BJJ black belt at 68) and climbing mountains; I gain more respect for them with each passing day.
MM has been working on his top game this season. Still, it’s shocking that he’s 1) tied for 6th place on the team for number of TDs and 2) behind Rocco. Didn’t have that on my bingo card!Gopsusports.com had the dual TD numbers before tonight's dual, and I modified the numbers to include tonight's dual. Therefore, these are the season-ending TD numbers for each wrestler:
WRstats25-26.pdf
The official sports website for Penn State Athletics. Learn about schedules, rosters, scores, and Penn State Nittany Lion players at gopsusports.com.
Luke 51-1
Marcus 50-1
Braeden 23-10
SVN 58-6
PJ 50-2
MM 45-1
Levi 48-3
Rocco 50-4
Josh 45-1
Cole 38-6
*** Team total ***
458-35
Edit: I somehow missed PSUNAV’s post (#335). Sorry for the repetition.
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I'll be 78 in May. I received shrapnel wounds in both shoulders back in '68. I suffered with shoulder pains and and lack of motion in them for years. I took another shrapnel wound in my right knee during the same firefight. Anyway, long story short, a few years ago my kids suggested i start Tai Chi. It took a while for them to convince me but I finally relented and I gotta say that after 2 months, the movement in those joints was pain free and I haven't looked back since.
Cael Sanderson talks Aaron Nagao's retirement, Luke Lilledahl's weird win, and more: Penn State-Princeton takeaways
Penn State wrestling finished out the regular season with a 50-0 shutout victory over Princeton on Friday night at Rec Hall.
Thinking back, you're right. The scoreboard had it wrong because they put another 2 up in all the confusion
Fair enough, but I'll take that over a guy that swallows his whistle until the last 0:30 like it seems the majority do anymore.
He’s rounding into top shape and mental attitude. I never thought he would be the FAVORITE to win a Natty …. until now. His confidence is high and all his opponents can see what’s coming in Cleveland.
I don't really care if SVN gives up the first every match he knows he has plenty of time to come back and he will wears guys down!
Considering that we’re always stalling, that’s a helluvalotta counters.
In some way I think the close call against Fishback is gonna pay dividends.
I just watched the post match press conference. Cael's comment on stalling is dead on. I have said for years the refs dictate the match if someone is being passive on his feet.
2 things refs can do to make sport better.
A.Call the stall early in match.
B. Stop the over aggressive hand fighting.
2 things refs can do to make sport better.
A.Call the stall early in match.
B. Stop the over aggressive hand fighting.
The consistent grabbing and holding onto fingers, which occurred in a few matches last night, should definitely be dinged for stalling.
Wouldn't know - wrestled my last hs match in 1979. Is the "modified assassin" illegal (i.e., higher arm going over head with back of neck essentially in Offensive Wrestler's armpit and lower arm under defensive wrestler's near armpit so lock is across chest, not neck)? Un-modified genuine assassin would be illegal in all levels of Folk including NCAA as it is a true headlock where Offensive Wrestler's higher arm wraps around head and across throat, not chest and captures Defensive Wrestler's near upper arm closr to the armpit before lifting and stepping over. Modified Assassin is much less dangerous as the lock is across the chest before lifting and stepping over - not across throat.
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Oh you had me concerned because then I couldn't trust any of my data from Cael to TnT, John Smith or gable
Regarding the 33.9 number, I just rounded mine up to 40.0 from 33.96. I added the 33.96 number in brackets in my original post for clarification. Thanks again for catching my error. I was posting at almost 0300 my time and my brain was turning to mush!
No problems. I always invite others to correct me as well. At the end of the day, we just very likely witnessed the single most dominate dual meet season in collegiate wrestling history. Especially when you consider that Iowa wrestled Drake,Loras and Marquette that season and really padded their stats.
Rocco seems like a starrocci type in a sense where he builds on those tight victories and each time it gets harder and harder for the opponent to pull out the w in a tight match. Rocco went 4-2, sudden victory,sudden victory,sudden victory, 0-2 to take 2nd in 2024. Add to that the Ferrari victory, the fishcomeback and it seems the guy just has yuuuge brass balls.