OT: Deliver Me From Nowhere (Springsteen Movie)

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who is outraged? kind of strong word. He basically called half his fanbase trash and his politics are awful. His movie didn't even hit the projected numbers in NJ of all places, wonder why. All some have said here is that you can't discount it and we've got tangible evidence from a litany of entertainers whose record/movies sales declined with increase in political stupidity

His success came off of two albums but the if you look at the production of work vs the where the value was derived, he's been irrelevant for a long time.

While you may not prefer his politics. I think you might be underselling his musical impact a bit. He's got like 15 Platinum (including Multi-Platinum) albums. Musical taste is certainly personal....but it doesn't appear that his political leanings have hurt him.
 

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While you may not prefer his politics. I think you might be underselling his musical impact a bit. He's got like 15 Platinum (including Multi-Platinum) albums. Musical taste is certainly personal....but it doesn't appear that his political leanings have hurt him.
that's fair and reasonable superficially except it's not the barometer you think it is when you break it down. There are so many bands that went platinum that are God awful. His number have absolutely declined after Born in the USA and the drop is harder the more vocal he's become over the past 30 yrs and this is with him touring which usually coincides with increased sales. He's toured quite a bit and does lots of local offerings, even out of state.

here are his albums by global sales. His highest album sales are the tri state, where it's estimated that 1:3 NJ residents own a album of his. California and Northern Illinoise/Chicago are 2nd and 3rd


earAlbum TitleEstimated Worldwide Sales (Pure Units)
1973Greetings from Asbury Park, N.J.3.95 Million
1973The Wild, the Innocent & the E Street Shuffle3.55 Million
1975Born to Run10.7 Million
1978Darkness on the Edge of Town5.7 Million
1980The River10.05 Million
1982Nebraska4.2 Million
1984Born in the U.S.A.29.3 - 30 Million
1987Tunnel of Love8.35 Million
1992Human Touch4.6 Million
1992Lucky Town3.7 Million
1995The Ghost of Tom Joad2.26 Million
2002The Rising5.0 Million
2005Devils & Dust1.95 Million
2006We Shall Overcome: The Seeger Sessions1.91 Million
2007Magic2.75 Million
2009Working on a Dream1.95 Million
2012Wrecking Ball1.75 Million
2014High Hopes~1 Million+ (No. 1 in US/UK)
2019Western Stars~0.5 Million+ (No. 1 in UK)
2020Letter to You0.6 Million+
2022Only the Strong Survive~0.3 Million+
 
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that's fair and reasonable superficially except it's not the barometer you think it is when you break it down. There are so many bands that went platinum that are God awful. His number have absolutely declined after Born in the USA and the drop is harder the more vocal he's become over the past 30 yrs and this is with him touring which usually coincides with increased sales. He's toured quite a bit and does lots of local offerings, even out of state.

here are his albums by global sales. His highest album sales are the tri state, where it's estimated that 1:3 NJ residents own a album of his. California and Northern Illinoise/Chicago are 2nd and 3rd


earAlbum TitleEstimated Worldwide Sales (Pure Units)
1973Greetings from Asbury Park, N.J.3.95 Million
1973The Wild, the Innocent & the E Street Shuffle3.55 Million
1975Born to Run10.7 Million
1978Darkness on the Edge of Town5.7 Million
1980The River10.05 Million
1982Nebraska4.2 Million
1984Born in the U.S.A.29.3 - 30 Million
1987Tunnel of Love8.35 Million
1992Human Touch4.6 Million
1992Lucky Town3.7 Million
1995The Ghost of Tom Joad2.26 Million
2002The Rising5.0 Million
2005Devils & Dust1.95 Million
2006We Shall Overcome: The Seeger Sessions1.91 Million
2007Magic2.75 Million
2009Working on a Dream1.95 Million
2012Wrecking Ball1.75 Million
2014High Hopes~1 Million+ (No. 1 in US/UK)
2019Western Stars~0.5 Million+ (No. 1 in UK)
2020Letter to You0.6 Million+
2022Only the Strong Survive~0.3 Million+
You do realize that they changed the ways "albums" were counted starting around 2015? People rarely "buy" entire albums anymore. For years, I have been doing digital downloads of favorite artists when they release new albums of music. It's really a watermelons and kumquats comparison to compare the 1970's, 80's and 90's to the 2000's in terms of albums sales.

And it is no secret that rock is no longer the dominant music format. There is a single FM station in NYC that plays Album Oriented rock, whereas back in earlier days, there was 3 or 4 stations. Record and CD stores don't really exist any more, and not even sure you can get CDs in Best Buy anymore.

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In the digital era, changes in the way music is consumed resulted in changes in the certification criteria. Actual album sales had dropped significantly, while digital download followed by streaming became increasingly dominant. On-demand audio and video streams started to be counted towards Digital Single units consumed in 2013.[13][14] Track downloads and audio and video streams were then included in album certification in 2016 using formulas converting downloads and streams into the album units for certification purpose
 
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You do realize that they changed the ways "albums" were counted starting around 2015? People rarely "buy" entire albums anymore. For years, I have been doing digital downloads of favorite artists when they release new albums of music. It's really a watermelons and kumquats comparison to compare the 1970's, 80's and 90's to the 2000's in terms of albums sales.

And it is no secret that rock is no longer the dominant music format. There is a single FM station in NYC that plays Album Oriented rock, whereas back in earlier days, there was 3 or 4 stations. Record and CD stores don't really exist any more, and not even sure you can get CDs in Best Buy anymore.

From Wikipedia:
In the digital era, changes in the way music is consumed resulted in changes in the certification criteria. Actual album sales had dropped significantly, while digital download followed by streaming became increasingly dominant. On-demand audio and video streams started to be counted towards Digital Single units consumed in 2013.[13][14] Track downloads and audio and video streams were then included in album certification in 2016 using formulas converting downloads and streams into the album units for certification purpose
cool story but if you read to what I responding to, he said platinum albums so my response is appropriate

that said, while downloads has certainly changed the format, plenty of artists are still selling albums in huge numbers.

Adele over 30mm, Gaga over 20, swift etc etc etc.

since you mentioned rock, below has the most since 2000. no way to cut it, Bruce just isn't the mark many claim

  • Hybrid TheoryLinkin Park (2000): 27 million copies worldwide. It is the best-selling debut album of the 21st century and was the top-selling album of 2001 in the U.S..
  • American IdiotGreen Day (2004): 23 million units worldwide. It recently returned to the Billboard charts in February 2026 following its 20th-anniversary deluxe release.
  • FallenEvanescence (2003): 17 million copies worldwide. It spent an entire year in the Billboard Top 50.
  • A Rush of Blood to the HeadColdplay (2002): 17 million copies worldwide.
  • MeteoraLinkin Park (2003): 16 million copies worldwide.
  • All the Right ReasonsNickelback (2005): ~12–15 million units. It is the highest-ranked rock album on Billboard’s "Top 200 Albums of the 21st Century" list.
  • Silver Side UpNickelback (2001): Over 10 million copies; reached Diamond status in several territories.
  • Chocolate Starfish and the Hot Dog Flavored WaterLimp Bizkit (2000): Over 11 million copies worldwide.

Hell, strip out 'Born in the USA' and doesn't even outsell Mellencamp. Born in the USA was incredible commercially for him but after that, meh
 
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well your commie ways are showing. why call me douchebag when I've never even responded to a thing you have said on this board? I understand your level of tardation in that you get triggered easily, that's on you for being weak. Facts hurt

Budget of 55mm and that is with a 23mm tax grant by the state of NJ.
made 22mm domestically, and about the same internationally

if you and the other commie mouth breathers don't get his politics turn a lot of people off, then you truly are tard level dumb or worse, wholly myopic in your outlook which makes you even more pathetic.
Whatever you say, maga wacko
 
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cool story but if you read to what I responding to, he said platinum albums so my response is appropriate

that said, while downloads has certainly changed the format, plenty of artists are still selling albums in huge numbers.

Adele over 30mm, Gaga over 20, swift etc etc etc.

since you mentioned rock, below has the most since 2000. no way to cut it, Bruce just isn't the mark many claim

  • Hybrid TheoryLinkin Park (2000): 27 million copies worldwide. It is the best-selling debut album of the 21st century and was the top-selling album of 2001 in the U.S..
  • American IdiotGreen Day (2004): 23 million units worldwide. It recently returned to the Billboard charts in February 2026 following its 20th-anniversary deluxe release.
  • FallenEvanescence (2003): 17 million copies worldwide. It spent an entire year in the Billboard Top 50.
  • A Rush of Blood to the HeadColdplay (2002): 17 million copies worldwide.
  • MeteoraLinkin Park (2003): 16 million copies worldwide.
  • All the Right ReasonsNickelback (2005): ~12–15 million units. It is the highest-ranked rock album on Billboard’s "Top 200 Albums of the 21st Century" list.
  • Silver Side UpNickelback (2001): Over 10 million copies; reached Diamond status in several territories.
  • Chocolate Starfish and the Hot Dog Flavored WaterLimp Bizkit (2000): Over 11 million copies worldwide.

Hell, strip out 'Born in the USA' and doesn't even outsell Mellencamp. Born in the USA was incredible commercially for him but after that, meh
Cool story, but as I said, AOR is a dying/dead genre.
And every album you listed under rock was from 2004, most from 2001.
The Rising sold 5 Million. He had not made a proper rock record until Letter to You.

Enjoy your Adele, Gaga and Swift. Are you a Swifty?
 

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People are entitled to disagree about his public political comments. For me personally, I agree with many of his opinions. I think he is very perceptive and insightful. People who disagree can criticize. All that aside, the fact is that Springsteen has remained very musically relevant for 50+ years which is amazing and unusual in rock/popular music. He will certainly go down as one of the top songwriters and performers in the history of rock music.
 

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People are entitled to disagree about his public political comments. For me personally, I agree with many of his opinions. I think he is very perceptive and insightful. People who disagree can criticize. All that aside, the fact is that Springsteen has remained very musically relevant for 50+ years which is amazing and unusual in rock/popular music. He will certainly go down as one of the top songwriters and performers in the history of rock music.
His first five albums are among my all-time favorite albums. Every concert I've seen of his...all in the 20th century...were all in a class by themselves as easily the best I've ever seen.
The fact that he is speaking up about the ugliness is a bonus.
 
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Sad that people can't separate their political thoughts from a movie about one of the greatest artists that was born and raised in the Garden State. Consider keeping your thoughts to yourself.

All that nonsense aside, after the success of the The River album and tour, it was a bold move for Springsteen to release what was basically a folk album about the Charles Starkweather killing spree in Nebraska and other dark subjects. It's the reverse of when Bob Dylan went electric. The movie also explores a period of isolation and depression for Springsteen, something many people and many artists deal with but are not willing to share. So, regardless of how you feel about the person, it is an interesting story about staying true to yourself and introspection that may transcend any boundaries people may feel they have. At some point in time, hopefully people will be able to find common ground in things that might bring people together for fruitful thought and discussion.
I was a huge Springsteen fan
I went to his one man show on Broadway twice
If Bruce would stop bring politics into everything
Maybe his audience would too
I never agreed with his politics though I believed in the end that he and I wanted the same result
It never bothered me until now
It's over the top, transparently political and insincere
 
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I was a huge Springsteen fan
I went to his one man show on Broadway twice
If Bruce would stop bring politics into everything
Maybe his audience would too
I never agreed with his politics though I believed in the end that he and I wanted the same result
It never bothered me until now
It's over the top, transparently political and insincere
I'm independent, and I have problems with positions on many issues with both parties.
I grew up fairly poor, and like many others, worked hard to achieve the American dream.
Many of the themes in Darkness on the Edge of Town, Nebraska and Born in the USA about working people resonate with me. I don't view such themes as political.
As stated above, the irony of his continual support of "his" party is that he is clinging to a vestigial notion of that party that now represents, supports and is supported by elites, large corporations and main stream media, all of which are not interested in the "working man." That's not to say the other party is any better, but at least some of what is being advanced by the other party is purportedly attempting to address economic inequity. But devotees will never view it as such or give it reasonable listen or chance for reasons that are quite obvious- an elephant in the room. But as stated above, the real problem is neither party is doing enough to address fundamental problems, but instead debate has devolved into WWF style take downs, memes, gaslighting the other side and insults. I don't foresee that this country will return to a more civil tone until the current occupant of the most powerful position is out of office.
 

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Ticket prices for Sea Hear Now range from about $120 for a single day pass to up to $8-10K for the top tier package for the weekend, no matter who the headliners are and the rest of the lineup is. Good luck finding Broadway tickets for under $200 for a show. Prices for everything in the entertainment industry is out of control. How much were Super Bowl tickets?
 
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That's a secondary market price. You missed that part on the article I posted.
Only somewhat true. For example Floor seats started at $500 when they first went on sale. When the organizers saw how much demand there was for tickets the prices rapidly rose. Starting at $5,000 for floor seats. My 100 level seats quickly rose to $1,000 direct from the organizers. (I got mine the day they went on sale).
 
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Ticket prices for Sea Hear Now range from about $120 for a single day pass to up to $8-10K for the top tier package for the weekend, no matter who the headliners are and the rest of the lineup is. Good luck finding Broadway tickets for under $200 for a show. Prices for everything in the entertainment industry is out of control.
I’m paying through the nose for a family of four to camp out for three days. Some fun older bands on the lineup for me but I’m more in it for the experience
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Only somewhat true. For example Floor seats started at $500 when they first went on sale. When the organizers saw how much demand there was for tickets the prices rapidly rose. Starting at $5,000 for floor seats. My 100 level seats quickly rose to $1,000 direct from the organizers. (I got mine the day they went on sale).
Cool story but irrelevant to a working man hero extorting his fans
 

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Interesting story I found today. https://www.blogness-brucespringste...-springsteen-ticket-price-fiasco-say-about-us

even the fan writing the blog is severely conflicted.
Some of these people should seek professional help. I like his music, along with the music of many other artists. Some fans feel they have some sort of deep personal connection with an artist when there is no such thing. Love the art, not the artist.

For me, it is simple. I will not pay a certain price for tickets with a decent seat to a show. It's not an emotional decision.
 

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Interesting story I found today. https://www.blogness-brucespringste...-springsteen-ticket-price-fiasco-say-about-us

even the fan writing the blog is severely conflicted.
I’ve been a huge fan for many years and have been to over 60 shows, including his Broadway show. I don’t agree with how he has handled (or more accurately, not handled) dynamic pricing. My reaction has been not to go to his shows. It’s a free market economics reaction, something anyone can do.

Instead you have the haters who’ll ***** and moan just because they don’t like his politics. And they had no intention to go to any shows in the first place, but they’ll still whine and complain. Again, for one reason and one reason only.

How dare anyone step out of line and besmirch the messiah.

Whatever, no one cares to hear your (“your” generically, not you) opinions, least of all Bruce.
 

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I’ve been a huge fan for many years and have been to over 60 shows, including his Broadway show. I don’t agree with how he has handled (or more accurately, not handled) dynamic pricing. My reaction has been not to go to his shows. It’s a free market economics reaction, something anyone can do.

Instead you have the haters who’ll ***** and moan just because they don’t like his politics. And they had no intention to go to any shows in the first place, but they’ll still whine and complain. Again, for one reason and one reason only.

How dare anyone step out of line and besmirch the messiah.

Whatever, no one cares to hear your (“your” generically, not you) opinions, least of all Bruce.
Agree with everything you post here. Much like what knightshift Said earlier. I don’t care how much money anyone makes or what your politics are. Just don’t lecture me about struggles and tell me “I’m wrong” because I may disagree with you (generically of course). If I so choose to see you play (which I did at sea hear now) that’s on me for paying whatever the asking price. I think he did handle dynamic prices. He allowed for it and benefits greatly for it. Amazingly he didn’t interject politics once at sea hear now.
 
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Agree with everything you post here. Much like what knightshift Said earlier. I don’t care how much money anyone makes or what your politics are. Just don’t lecture me about struggles and tell me “I’m wrong” because I may disagree with you (generically of course). If I so choose to see you play (which I did at sea hear now) that’s on me for paying whatever the asking price. I think he did handle dynamic prices. He allowed for it and benefits greatly for it. Amazingly he didn’t interject politics once at sea hear now.
I heard SHN was amazing. I didn’t go because I’d heard horror stories about the parking, crowds, etc. and I just wasn’t up for that. Kind of sorry I missed it in retrospect.

What did you think?
 
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Been to maybe 20 Bruce shows back in the day. But like anything I got older and so did he. And with the price by all acts nowadays, I just choose not to go. That’s my simple solution. All the credit to folks who do and same to those like me who don’t. It’s just not that important to me anymore and frankly I am on opposite sides of the aisle than him, so I don’t need to be talked down to or told how bad of a person I am for having MY opinion.

That said I was at The Killers show in October 2022 at MSG. Bruce came out for the encore and they did 3 songs together and my wife and I had VIP so it was once in a lifetime time stuff. And he still rocked the night and so did The Killers but it was just like 20 minutes of music and no BS politics. Just rocking.
 

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I heard SHN was amazing. I didn’t go because I’d heard horror stories about the parking, crowds, etc. and I just wasn’t up for that. Kind of sorry I missed it in retrospect.

What did you think?
I work SHN every year. It was the most amazing weekend from start to finish. Just a different vibe with him playing on the beach, all the people on the sidewalks (they set up more big screens that year), people on rooftops. There were people on boats, but the ocean was very rough, so many of the boats left before he went on. He played nonstop past the curfew.
 

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I heard SHN was amazing. I didn’t go because I’d heard horror stories about the parking, crowds, etc. and I just wasn’t up for that. Kind of sorry I missed it in retrospect.

What did you think?
Been going for years. Never had an issue. Usually get dropped off at the south end of Asbury and walk to concert area and then uber home. Didnt like Bruce’s undercard so arrived later than normal for me (around4). I drove in and parked off of Cookman on street. Easy in easy out. Bruce put on a spectacular show. Didn't go last year. Line up absolutely sucked. Only time there was a bit of a problem with crowd was during the beach boys of all people. And that was more due to an overzealous security guard blocking off access to the beach.
 

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Been going for years. Never had an issue. Usually get dropped off at the south end of Asbury and walk to concert area and then uber home. Didnt like Bruce’s undercard so arrived later than normal for me (around4). I drove in and parked off of Cookman on street. Easy in easy out. Bruce put on a spectacular show. Didn't go last year. Line up absolutely sucked. Only time there was a bit of a problem with crowd was during the beach boys of all people. And that was more due to an overzealous security guard blocking off access to the beach.
Many of the locals will ride their bikes. Of course there is always Uber and the train. It is always capped at 30K each day, no matter who is the headliner. Last year was probably the worst year. No energy like in years past IMO. But I haven't heard of any real incidents - no fights or anything. Plenty of drunk/high people, but for the most part peaceful.
 
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Agree with everything you post here. Much like what knightshift Said earlier. I don’t care how much money anyone makes or what your politics are. Just don’t lecture me about struggles and tell me “I’m wrong” because I may disagree with you (generically of course). If I so choose to see you play (which I did at sea hear now) that’s on me for paying whatever the asking price. I think he did handle dynamic prices. He allowed for it and benefits greatly for it. Amazingly he didn’t interject politics once at sea hear now.
Took my wife to Barbara Streisand for her birthday once, and only once. I knew it was going to be bad and prepped for it, just didn't know how bad. I sat through one 30 min. lecture then a second 20 min. lecture. Meanwhile I'm staring in my hand at $1200 dollars worth of tickets, going fv*k me, this sh*t isn't happening again.
 

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Agree with everything you post here. Much like what knightshift Said earlier. I don’t care how much money anyone makes or what your politics are. Just don’t lecture me about struggles and tell me “I’m wrong” because I may disagree with you (generically of course). If I so choose to see you play (which I did at sea hear now) that’s on me for paying whatever the asking price. I think he did handle dynamic prices. He allowed for it and benefits greatly for it. Amazingly he didn’t interject politics once at sea hear now.
That is the problem with more people on "that side" than on the "other side," which has a different set of problems. They feel the need to wag their finger at others and tell them how "wrong" they are. This is why I prefer bands that shun politics on stage like Metallica, Rush and Tool. Tool has a great song called The Pot, which is more about the hypocrisy of the government and people in power in general, which applies here:


Soapbox house of cards and glass so
Don't go tossin' your stones around

So who are you to wave your finger?
Who are you to wave your fatty fingers at me?

Eyeballs deep in muddy waters
Your balls deep in muddy waters
 

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My family came from dirt. I played in dirt as a kid. All my folks worked for places like the Home News, the Railroad, Johns Manville, drove trucks, etc. I was the first in a 150 year central jersey family tree to go to College and graduate. Heck, The only one still until my kids did. They were hard working patriotic Americans. That didn't make them left. They weren't left.

Who's Bobby Richie? The guy played by Will Farrell in the Race Car movie?
I am not sure what that has to do with your current beliefs. My Dad fought in WW2 and came out with 2 purple hearts and a bronze star. He was a butcher and we grew up very low middle, hard working and patriotic Americans. They were not left but also, they were not right. They believed strongly in voting and voted for who they believed in. Most of my life, I leaned right. And then life hit me in the face and while I cannot stand liberals like biden, Harris, Hilary- I cannot support the crap that is in there now either. Patriotic is not defined by the political party, patriotic is defined by really wanting America to be the best there is. And that is being missed by both sides.

The thing I do respect with Bruce- is that he has always spoken and sung his mind. He never hid who he is and he doesn't apologize for it.

Your take comes off that only those you agree with or agree with you, can be patriotic and I have no doubt that you are. just don't know why that is part of the story here.
 
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I am not sure what that has to do with your current beliefs. My Dad fought in WW2 and came out with 2 purple hearts and a bronze star. He was a butcher and we grew up very low middle, hard working and patriotic Americans. They were not left but also, they were not right. They believed strongly in voting and voted for who they believed in. Most of my life, I leaned right. And then life hit me in the face and while I cannot stand liberals like biden, Harris, Hilary- I cannot support the crap that is in there now either. Patriotic is not defined by the political party, patriotic is defined by really wanting America to be the best there is. And that is being missed by both sides.

The thing I do respect with Bruce- is that he has always spoken and sung his mind. He never hid who he is and he doesn't apologize for it.

Your take comes off that only those you agree with or agree with you, can be patriotic and I have no doubt that you are. just don't know why that is part of the story here.
Thats not even close to my point. I was responding to the post that working class people are the left. I gave an example of how that is not true.

Your take is way off. Sorry. I never said they were right either. Perhaps you should have read the post i responded to snd also not insert points I didn't make.
 
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Thats not even close to my point. I was responding to the post that working class people are the left. I gave an example of how that is not true.

Your take is way off. Sorry. I never said they were right either. Perhaps you should have read the post i responded to snd also not insert points I didn't make.
While trying to follow everything- it seemed you were responding in regard to someone saying that Bruce writes the way he does as a working class guy that grew up on hard times. I sort of agree, that is not what would make most people liberal. Most hard working, under privileged American, white families grew up more on the conservative side. Work hard, take your lumps, pay your bills...etc.

So- you seemed to be giving the retort of your life as an example that just because Bruce grew up underprivileged, that would make him liberal.

And that point to argue is fair.

What you missed, is that being poor, rich, hard working, trust fund, etc...has nothing to do with it. I am sure many from Bruce's neighborhood are wearing MAGA hats.

You don't like his beliefs- ok, fine, but just say it as such. Same with anyone that says his childhood defined his own politics.

I don't go out of my way to listen to his music, have no desire to go to a concert but...he has been who he is from the start. Pretty much an open book.
 
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I heard SHN was amazing. I didn’t go because I’d heard horror stories about the parking, crowds, etc. and I just wasn’t up for that. Kind of sorry I missed it in retrospect.

What did you think?
Couldn’t afford it lol
 
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While trying to follow everything- it seemed you were responding in regard to someone saying that Bruce writes the way he does as a working class guy that grew up on hard times. I sort of agree, that is not what would make most people liberal. Most hard working, under privileged American, white families grew up more on the conservative side. Work hard, take your lumps, pay your bills...etc.

So- you seemed to be giving the retort of your life as an example that just because Bruce grew up underprivileged, that would make him liberal.

And that point to argue is fair.

What you missed, is that being poor, rich, hard working, trust fund, etc...has nothing to do with it. I am sure many from Bruce's neighborhood are wearing MAGA hats.

You don't like his beliefs- ok, fine, but just say it as such. Same with anyone that says his childhood defined his own politics.

I don't go out of my way to listen to his music, have no desire to go to a concert but...he has been who he is from the start. Pretty much an open book.
no,no.no. Not at all. I don't disagree with what you are suggesting about him. Again all I was doing was responding to the point made that working class people are left. I was using my own family history (vs. just saying we were poor and not left) as example of how that thinking is wrong. You yourself seem to provide another example.

I never suggested he's liberal just because he was underprivileged. I have zero idea if he was. Heck, according to the movie he was quite well off driving a new Camaro and living in his own house when he wrote Nebraska. The only thing I got from the movie was how he was abused, how he tried to care for his mom, and that he has some mental illness.

Lastly, also as I have posted in this thread I don't care if he's liberal. What I don't like is his hypocrisy, political agenda, and rants from the stage that that he does overseas to foreign audiences. I can't wait till he does that in this tour and see the response. Then again people like myself who would boo the crap out of him won't be at the show so its a safe space for him.

He's always been what he's always been and I've loved his music my whole life. Liberal or not. its fair and fine work and I can take it as I like. Its my choice to tune him out now to as I have. I can listen well enough to anybody's views but when they rant and are reckless ..not for me. And that goes for PLENTY on both sides. Peace out.
 
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