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Mac9192

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Donald Trump is a pedophile protector. Likely has committed crimes himself that are hidden in the more than 3 million files his DOJ is still illegally concealing. Much like the President, members of his cabinet and close advisers were/are deeply connected (Lutnik, Bannon, etc.) to Epstein and still continue to blatantly lie about it with zero consequences while other countries are blowing up their governments over the revelations in the files.

The Republican Party (with the exception of a few brave Representatives and Senators) is complicit in the cover up and actively running cover for the President and his friends. The Speaker of the House is an embarrassment. His refusal to provide basic checks on the executive branch is a complete dereliction of duty. All while US media actively tries to report on the files as little as possible. Perhaps, because of who now owns those networks?

At this point, I can only assume that people that still support this President and party are complicit themselves and are okay with the crimes that were committed. Don’t worry though, just bomb Iran, change the news cycle, people will forget what they were mad about.

But, comparing AOC speaking at the Munich Security Conference to Pam Bondi perjuring herself while running a cover up for pedophiles is a level of mental gymnastics that’s worthy of the Olympic Games. You should be embarrassed.
Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner Monty. And what does he get? Why it's the Goober Dumb Post of the Year.

Sheesh, put the glue bottle down and get some fresh air.
 

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@Mac9192,

You are the quintessential Trump supporter. Low IQ, low information, and confidently incorrect on virtually every single issue you comment on. You have never once displayed the ability to formulate any type of argument or opinion that hasn’t been spoon fed to you by right wing media or social media algorithms. You do not possess the ability to examine new information that challenges your world view. Your simple nature only allows you to gloss over it while pivoting to childish insults that betray the fact that you inherently posses the reasoning skills of a child.

Make no mistake, I love reading your post as they are unintentionally hilarious. However, take note, just because you have an opinion, doesn’t mean you need to grace the world with it. If you can’t examine the actual facts, sit this one out.
 
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Ghost of Dattier

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No Datt. She’s an idiot, that’s why. Plain and simple. Just like you, she’s out of touch with reality.
Yeah? You have anything other than saying so that says so?
I submit her academic accomplishments, her political success, her committee work, and how terrified of her you are.
You've got what? Her voice is shrill?
 

Mac9192

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Yeah? You have anything other than saying so that says so?
I submit her academic accomplishments, her political success, her committee work, and how terrified of her you are.
You've got what? Her voice is shrill?
Her academic accomplishments? And her political success? Jeez Datt, get out of the kool aid pool. She's a dipshit. It has nothing to do with her being a female, Latina...
She's actually not a bad looking lady, but as soon as she talks it's obvious she's in over her head. She will never hold any office other than the representative for the district that was made up years ago to benefit the likes of her.
 
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Mac9192

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@Mac9192,

You are the quintessential Trump supporter. Low IQ, low information, and confidently incorrect on virtually every single issue you comment on.
Must be the majority of America. He won because people were tired of what had been going on the last 4 years. You do know he gained votes in the minority communities, and the under 30 voters? Are you calling all of them Low IQ and low informed? Or are you and @Ghost of Dattier both racists?

In psychology talk, what you just posted is called "PROJECTION."
 
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Must be the majority of America. He won because people were tired of what had been going on the last 4 years. You do know he gained votes in the minority communities, and the under 30 voters? Are you calling all of them Low IQ and low informed? Or are you and @Ghost of Dattier both racists?

In psychology talk, what you just posted is called "PROJECTION."
Predictably stupid response. A completely surface level take that lacks nuance or any acknowledgement of the passage of time or the changing of opinions. The next thing you’ll tell me is that Republicans are going to sweep midterms because of how great a job Trump is doing. You never disappoint.

I do have a question though that you may be able to answer, what’s the best brand of crayons for a five year old? I’m looking for quality, longevity, taste, etc.
 
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Ghost of Dattier

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Her academic accomplishments? And her political success? Jeez Datt, get out of the kool aid pool. She's a dipshit. It has nothing to do with her being a female, Latina...
She's actually not a bad looking lady, but as soon as she talks it's obvious she's in over her head. She will never hold any office other than the representative for the district that was made up years ago to benefit the likes of her.
Oh, good grief.
Oooh, she purty, if only she'd shut up and make you a sammich? :rolleyes: You really are clueless how gross a light that paints you in.

So like DuckDevil just told you, calling people names, quoting the latest Laffy Taffy wrapper insult you had read to you, and saying something is so doesn't make it so. It doesn't qualify as actual support for your opinion. You don't even understand the irony of calling someone else stupid without being able to articulate why, do you?

Yes, her academic accomplishments. While still in high school, she came in 2nd place in the most prestigious science competition in the world for high school. She graduated with honors from Boston U.

Yes, her political successes and acumen. She interned with Sen Ted Kennedy. She is the youngest woman ever elected to Congress, upsetting a longtime incumbent. She is downright clinical in her questioning of witnesses before Congress.

Again, what do you have? Name-calling?
 

Mac9192

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Oh, good grief.
Oooh, she purty, if only she'd shut up and make you a sammich? :rolleyes: You really are clueless how gross a light that paints you in.

So like DuckDevil just told you, calling people names, quoting the latest Laffy Taffy wrapper insult you had read to you, and saying something is so doesn't make it so. It doesn't qualify as actual support for your opinion. You don't even understand the irony of calling someone else stupid without being able to articulate why, do you?

Yes, her academic accomplishments. While still in high school, she came in 2nd place in the most prestigious science competition in the world for high school. She graduated with honors from Boston U.

Yes, her political successes and acumen. She interned with Sen Ted Kennedy. She is the youngest woman ever elected to Congress, upsetting a longtime incumbent. She is downright clinical in her questioning of witnesses before Congress.

Again, what do you have? Name-calling?
And here you go projecting. It feels good that there’s a new resident re re in here with you, doesn’t it?

We should just call you two Harry and Lloyd.
 

DuckDevil

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And here you go projecting. It feels good that there’s a new resident re re in here with you, doesn’t it?

We should just call you two Harry and Lloyd.
Calling names? Again? As usual, you gloss over the post because you can’t comprehend the substance, so you resort to your normal childish behavior. Hang in there, I’m sure KD will come and bail you out soon.
 
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And here you go projecting. It feels good that there’s a new resident re re in here with you, doesn’t it?

We should just call you two Harry and Lloyd.
Calling it projection is not demonstrating that it is projection. You just can't connect dots, mac. You never do.
 

KDSTONE

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AOC is brilliant, thoroughly researched and prepared. Bondi is protecting pedophiles. That you don't know for yourself that what I'm saying is true is further evidence of the information divide.
When you’re “thoroughly researched and prepared”, there’s typically not a twenty second pause before answering. Everyone in the room was uncomfortable, including the interviewer.
Those “right of center” seemed to have no trouble supporting Rubio countless times so your implication that Republicans are too racist to vote for a Latina is off the mark to put it mildly.


Check out this video, "aoc stumped with china question"
https://share.google/3LZ89yDTk54CJ1U1d
 
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Donald Trump is a pedophile protector. Likely has committed crimes himself that are hidden in the more than 3 million files his DOJ is still illegally concealing. Much like the President, members of his cabinet and close advisers were/are deeply connected (Lutnik, Bannon, etc.) to Epstein and still continue to blatantly lie about it with zero consequences while other countries are blowing up their governments over the revelations in the files.

The Republican Party (with the exception of a few brave Representatives and Senators) is complicit in the cover up and actively running cover for the President and his friends. The Speaker of the House is an embarrassment. His refusal to provide basic checks on the executive branch is a complete dereliction of duty. All while US media actively tries to report on the files as little as possible. Perhaps, because of who now owns those networks?

At this point, I can only assume that people that still support this President and party are complicit themselves and are okay with the crimes that were committed. Don’t worry though, just bomb Iran, change the news cycle, people will forget what they were mad about.

But, comparing AOC speaking at the Munich Security Conference to Pam Bondi perjuring herself while running a cover up for pedophiles is a level of mental gymnastics that’s worthy of the Olympic Games. You should be embarrassed.
I never made the comparison. I summarized Datt’s comparison.
So embarrassed? Not so much.
 

DuckDevil

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Check out this video, "aoc embarrassed herself"
https://share.google/RDi8KA1ngHwuXMisz

Her performance in Munich should be disqualifying; alas, her primary rival for the 2028 Dem nomination appears to be Gavin Newsom.
Great title though predictable from a Rupert Murdoch-owned “news” station. It seems that the main and only criticism in your video is on the origin of cowboys? She surely embarrassed herself on that one.

Before clicking the video and being disappointed with what you found worthy to share, I assumed you would be focusing on her comments concerning Israel and the genocide they’ve conducted in Gaza. 73,000 men, women, and children dead so far as of this month, correct?

I thought her comments were sensible in that she criticized the U.S. policy of providing unconditional military aid to Israel, saying that she believed that approach had “enabled a genocide in Gaza.” She argued that continuing aid without conditions doesn’t make sense and suggested the U.S. should enforce its own human-rights laws, specifically the Leahy laws, which require conditioning aid when credible information shows gross human-rights violations.

I think this is a pretty reasonable position at this point, given all that’s happened and is still happening.

When you’re “thoroughly researched and prepared”, there’s typically not a twenty second pause before answering. Everyone in the room was uncomfortable, including the interviewer.
Those “right of center” seemed to have no trouble supporting Rubio countless times so your implication that Republicans are too racist to vote for a Latina is off the mark to put it mildly.


Check out this video, "aoc stumped with china question"
https://share.google/3LZ89yDTk54CJ1U1d
She definitely did stumble on the Taiwan question, though I think you would be hard-pressed to find an American politician who wouldn’t there. Let’s look at reality, though: the US has already tacitly said that invading sovereign nations is okay (Ukraine, the Maduro kidnapping, etc.). What leg do we have to stand on to tell China that they can’t invade Taiwan? I think it’s a matter of time before they do, and the US won’t do a single thing about it. Especially under this President.

It’s funny that you reference Anna Paulina Luna in a comment about people embarrassing themselves. She went on Rogan and started talking about seeing classified photos of UFOs and never offered any proof, by the way. She brought up “interdimensional beings,” randomly cited the Book of Enoch to suggest angels are aliens or something along those lines, and that’s only scratching the surface. For a sitting member of Congress, it came off like she’s quite the nut job. I think even Joe seemed perplexed. Very embarrassing, in my opinion.
 
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Great title though predictable from a Rupert Murdoch-owned “news” station. It seems that the main and only criticism in your video is on the origin of cowboys? She surely embarrassed herself on that one.

Before clicking the video and being disappointed with what you found worthy to share, I assumed you would be focusing on her comments concerning Israel and the genocide they’ve conducted in Gaza. 73,000 men, women, and children dead so far as of this month, correct?

I thought her comments were sensible in that she criticized the U.S. policy of providing unconditional military aid to Israel, saying that she believed that approach had “enabled a genocide in Gaza.” She argued that continuing aid without conditions doesn’t make sense and suggested the U.S. should enforce its own human-rights laws, specifically the Leahy laws, which require conditioning aid when credible information shows gross human-rights violations.

I think this is a pretty reasonable position at this point, given all that’s happened and is still happening.


She definitely did stumble on the Taiwan question, though I think you would be hard-pressed to find an American politician who wouldn’t there. Let’s look at reality, though: the US has already tacitly said that invading sovereign nations is okay (Ukraine, the Maduro kidnapping, etc.). What leg do we have to stand on to tell China that they can’t invade Taiwan? I think it’s a matter of time before they do, and the US won’t do a single thing about it. Especially under this President.

It’s funny you reference Anna Paulina Luna in a comment about people embarrassing themselves. She went on Rogan and started talking about seeing classified photos of UFOs (never offered any sort of proof, btw), talked about “interdimensional beings”, randomly cited the Book of Enoch about how angels are aliens or something. And that’s only scratching the surface. For a sitting member of Congress, it came off like she’s quite the nut job. I think even Joe was perplexed. Very embarrassing in my opinion.
Included in that 73,000 is roughly 20k Hamas fighters. As you may or may not know, the Hamas run Gaza Health Ministry doesnt distinguish between combatant and civilian deaths. Also Included in its category of “children” are teenage Hamas fighters as well. So you’re likely looking at a maximum of 40-50k civilian casualty total. Tragic, but numbers consistent with an urban war with one side heavily embedded in civilian populations. The 73 k total is probably in the ballpark given the high civilian casualties in Ukraine, Iraq, and Afghanistan, but hardly suggestive of genocide.
Urban wars typically have a civilian casualty rate of 70-90% and the Gaza war is well within that norm, not even close to an outlier.

Your comments concerning Ukraine have also been red flagged for their failure to withstand even token scrutiny. If Trump has green lit Russia’s invasion, sending Ukraine billions in aid and weaponry seems an odd way to support Putin.

 
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Included in that 73,000 is roughly 20k Hamas fighters. As you may or may not know, the Hamas run Gaza Health Ministry doesnt distinguish between combatant and civilian deaths. Also Included in its category of “children” are teenage Hamas fighters as well. So you’re likely looking at a maximum of 40-50k civilian casualty total. Tragic, but numbers consistent with an urban war with one side heavily embedded in civilian populations. The 73 k total is probably in the ballpark given the high civilian casualties in Ukraine, Iraq, and Afghanistan, but hardly suggestive of genocide.
Urban wars typically have a civilian casualty rate of 70-90% and the Gaza war is well within that norm, not even close to an outlier.
American intelligence estimates that Hamas has as many fighters today as it did in 2023. It stands to reason that starving people, denying medical aid, and murdering their families does not lead to less radicalization. It’s also telling that Israel still isn’t allowing international journalists into Gaza unless they go on guided Israeli tours. What are they afraid journalists will find? Murdering women and children is unacceptable and unjustifiable in any form.

I’m glad American politicians are being forced by their bases to recognize what Israel has become under the leadership of Netanyahu and the right. As I’ve watched the early primaries unfold, it seems that accepting money from AIPAC has become a kind of litmus test, with AIPAC backed candidates losing more often than before. It will be interesting to see how this plays out in the run up to the midterms.

The permanent damage Netanyahu has done to Israel and its reputation is incalculable. I think he knows this, and it’s one reason he’s going all in on genocide and a potential war with Iran. It also conveniently keeps his criminal trial from proceeding, though I’m sure that’s just a coincidence. He knows time is limited and that the days of foreign aid may be numbered. He’s trying to extract everything he can before the window closes.

I would hope future US leaders demand wholesale changes in Israeli leadership in return for not only offensive military aid but defensive aid as well. The Palestinian people have a right to exist without being murdered. Our aid is the only real leverage we have to stop these atrocities.

I also hope Trump is smart enough to recognize the quagmire Netanyahu may be trying to pull us into by attacking Iran. And while I’m sure Trump sees it as a useful distraction from his involvement with Epstein, it isn’t worth losing American lives over.
 
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Your comments concerning Ukraine have also been red flagged for their failure to withstand even token scrutiny. If Trump has green lit Russia’s invasion, sending Ukraine billions in aid and weaponry seems an odd way to support Putin.

Basic logic and reasoning dictate that allowing Russia to keep territory it seized in an illegal invasion creates an obvious incentive for other countries to do the same. Do you even follow the negotiations? Also, the Marco Rubio speech you lauded, which decried the end of European colonialism, illustrates the new reality facing the world, where might makes right and powerful countries do what they want to weaker ones. Your knowledge level of this topic has been red flagged going forward.
 
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Basic logic and reasoning dictate that allowing Russia to keep territory it seized in an illegal invasion creates an obvious incentive for other countries to do the same. Do you even follow the negotiations? Also, the Marco Rubio speech you lauded, which decried the end of European colonialism, illustrates the new reality facing the world, where might makes right and powerful countries do what they want to weaker ones. Your knowledge level of this topic has been red flagged going forward.
Fair enough on the first point. Re: Rubio’s speech, I don’t even recall commenting on it, let alone praising it.
 

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Fair enough on the first point. Re: Rubio’s speech, I don’t even recall commenting on it, let alone praising it.
You know the video you posted, “aoc embarrasses herself”? That’s what the video was actually about. Did you even watch it? Unfortunately, I did, and I’m surprised Murdoch can still talk with so much of Rubio in his mouth. I would be very nervous if I was JD Vance.
 

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You know the video you posted, “aoc embarrasses herself”? That’s what the video was actually about. Did you even watch it? Unfortunately, I did, and I’m surprised Murdoch can still talk with so much of Rubio in his mouth. I would be very nervous if I was JD Vance.
I was interrupted before completion. That’s what she said. Apologies.
 

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I was interrupted before completion. That’s what she said. Apologies.
You’re a smart, thoughtful guy unlike the knuckle draggers @Mac9192, @Another#1Dukie, and @dukesince91.

I’d be interested in hearing your thoughts on the current direction of Israel and the potential future ramifications of the events of the past few years. How do you actually bring peace to the region? Not the BS Trump and his Epstein friends spew, which is pure fantasy. That stuff’s meant for the knuckle draggers.

If a two state solution isn’t an option, I’d want to see one state with a real democracy that treats both sides equally, though I realize the extreme challenges that idea faces today. I think it’s the only real viable option long term.
 
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When you’re “thoroughly researched and prepared”, there’s typically not a twenty second pause before answering. Everyone in the room was uncomfortable, including the interviewer.
Those “right of center” seemed to have no trouble supporting Rubio countless times so your implication that Republicans are too racist to vote for a Latina is off the mark to put it mildly.


Check out this video, "aoc stumped with china question"
https://share.google/3LZ89yDTk54CJ1U1d
If only she'd said, "Quiet, piggie." Then you'd think she was Presidential material.

I've detailed her accomplishments. You have a single hand-picked gotcha moment. While voting for the guy who insults reporters every time he gets a challenging question.
 

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Mac9192

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Poor @Ghost of Dattier and his feelings. And then there's this new clown, @DuckDevil. Talk about a real winner. He's posting links by NBC like they're worthy. His post above the link could have been posted during Obama's terms and Sleepy Joe's too.

If anyone thinks AOC is competent, they don't know the difference between a muffler and a gas cap. Again, she is the by product of drawn up districts made to benefit the overall IQ of that area. It's very low, so she fits right in.

It's also painfully obvious both parties are hacks. I don't see anyone here that leans right defending the likes of Rubio, Cruz, Graham... and sometimes Trump. Yet you morons on the left spent Ol Sleepy's four years bashing the man that wasn't even in office. Never did you dipshits say Biden and Harris weren't fit for office. And deep down you knew it. You cringed every time either one were in front of a microphone. We shook our heads in disbelief that these two were our leaders. They couldn't lead a hungry dog to a food bowl. The voting majority saw this, and voted for Trump.

And you two still haven't figured this out. America said enough of the pushing transgender crap down everyone's throats, along with the many other idiotic things the left were saying. Nothing in all their talking did anything to help America. Same with the illegal situation. Criminals were pouring in here, trafficking of kids, and you two were silent. Yet now you cry about everything Trump does.

You two are perfect representatives of the clown show America got tired of.
 

DuckDevil

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Poor @Ghost of Dattier and his feelings. And then there's this new clown, @DuckDevil. Talk about a real winner. He's posting links by NBC like they're worthy. His post above the link could have been posted during Obama's terms and Sleepy Joe's too.

If anyone thinks AOC is competent, they don't know the difference between a muffler and a gas cap. Again, she is the by product of drawn up districts made to benefit the overall IQ of that area. It's very low, so she fits right in.

It's also painfully obvious both parties are hacks. I don't see anyone here that leans right defending the likes of Rubio, Cruz, Graham... and sometimes Trump. Yet you morons on the left spent Ol Sleepy's four years bashing the man that wasn't even in office. Never did you dipshits say Biden and Harris weren't fit for office. And deep down you knew it. You cringed every time either one were in front of a microphone. We shook our heads in disbelief that these two were our leaders. They couldn't lead a hungry dog to a food bowl. The voting majority saw this, and voted for Trump.

And you two still haven't figured this out. America said enough of the pushing transgender crap down everyone's throats, along with the many other idiotic things the left were saying. Nothing in all their talking did anything to help America. Same with the illegal situation. Criminals were pouring in here, trafficking of kids, and you two were silent. Yet now you cry about everything Trump does.

You two are perfect representatives of the clown show America got tired of.
This post is a typical deflection by @Mac9192. He simply doesn’t possess the ability to process new information that impacts his worldview. Sadly, this is very common in his generation. I’ll disregard his childish insults, as he’s unfortunately not capable of much else.

A couple of weeks back, I asked @Mac9192 and @dukesince91 two simple questions:

Why is Donald Trump protecting pedophiles and violating the law he signed in November to release the Epstein files?

Why did Donald Trump send Ghislaine Maxwell to a minimum security prison when she’s a convicted child molester who isn’t eligible to be in a minimum security prison?

Now, I knew there was no chance they could even acknowledge, much less answer, these questions for a few reasons. The Epstein files are not being covered by Fox News for obvious reasons. There is simply no way that, after investing this much time and effort into propping up Trump, they can report on something that could completely destroy his movement and presidency. It doesn’t matter that he’s mentioned thousands of times in the files. It doesn’t matter that he’s accused of assaulting children in the files. So the entire right wing media ecosphere has collectively put its head in the sand about what’s in these files. I’m sure they frequently play the clip of Trump saying he’s been “fully exonerated,” though.

And why wouldn’t they? This leads to an examination of your typical Trump voter: low IQ, low information, and confidently incorrect. This is the base, the hardcore believers. The people who fly flags, wear clothing with Trump’s face on it, etc. This is arguably the most dangerous kind of stupid there is: a person who’s so stupid and uninformed that they actually think they’re intelligent. There’s no self evaluation, no acknowledgement that there’s more to learn. This person has no inner monologue. They say what they think and betray their stupidity for the world to see.

Not all Trump supporters fall into this category. There are those who look at issues such as illegal immigration, which is a real issue, promises of lower taxes, who doesn’t want to pay the government less, and other economic implications such as “Trump’s great for the economy.” These are people who will look past Trump’s BS because of the potential benefits they believe they can receive based on his policies.

Make no mistake, that’s not what @Mac9192 is. He sometimes tries to imply criticism, but his heart’s never really in it. He’s a true believer and always has been. It’s easy to understand why, though. @Mac9192 has spent his whole life feeling like he’s been screwed. If only “they” cared about people like him, everything would be better in this country, just like it was when he was a kid.

And then along came Trump, gliding down that golden escalator. Here’s a great businessman, it said so on TV, not a scummy politician, someone who speaks fluent moron and no doubt has historic levels of charisma. This guy says what I’ve been telling my buddies behind closed doors for years. And he says it proudly. He’s not ashamed. He just tells it like it is. He probably even uses racial slurs behind closed doors. And better yet, he cares about me. He’s going to deport all “those” people, bring back all the factory jobs my family worked when I was growing up, put the gays and trans people back where they belong, in the closet, put God back in schools and back in America! End this woke BS. I can finally say all those dumb things I think out loud and it’s freaking cool.

The allure of Trump is not hard to imagine. It’s like flies to a pile of **** for the ignorant. The problem, though, is that the promises he made were lies. Trump cares about one thing and one thing only. He only cares about himself. Everything, every policy, every law they’ve passed since he’s been elected, every court case he’s initiated, the one goal is and always has been to enrich himself and, by proxy, the Epstein class that he truly represents. He doesn’t care about his base. In reality, he probably looks down on them and despises them. They are simply a means to an end.

That’s who @Mac9192 is. Low IQ, low information, and confidently incorrect. @Mac9192 simply can’t acknowledge the Epstein files and Trump’s involvement. It would shatter his worldview. It would stain the best decade of his political life. It would mean that “his guy” was one of “them” all along. That he was wrong, his judgment was wrong, and that’s simply something an idiot can never admit to themselves. They don’t have the ability.

So he compensates in the only way he knows how. He calls people names, denigrates actual intelligent people, parrots Trump’s lies. He deflects, he ignores, he retreats deeper into safe spaces, he buries his head in the sand.

This is what the faithful are doing right now. The truth, reality, is just too much to comprehend. The day will come when these people disavow ever supporting Trump. The evidence against him on Epstein, the evidence of his grifts, the sheer criminality behind the man will be too much to bear. They’ll hide their MAGA flags, their merch. They’ll remove his face from their social profiles. They’ll pretend they knew it was a sham all along.

I honestly pity people like @Mac9192. They can’t help it, it’s how God made them. Forgive them, Father, for they know not what they do.
 
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This post is a typical deflection by @Mac9192. He simply doesn’t possess the ability to process new information that impacts his worldview. Sadly, this is very common in his generation. I’ll disregard his childish insults, as he’s unfortunately not capable of much else.

A couple of weeks back, I asked @Mac9192 and @dukesince91 two simple questions:

Why is Donald Trump protecting pedophiles and violating the law he signed in November to release the Epstein files?

Why did Donald Trump send Ghislaine Maxwell to a minimum security prison when she’s a convicted child molester who isn’t eligible to be in a minimum security prison?

Now, I knew there was no chance they could even acknowledge, much less answer, these questions for a few reasons. The Epstein files are not being covered by Fox News for obvious reasons. There is simply no way that, after investing this much time and effort into propping up Trump, they can report on something that could completely destroy his movement and presidency. It doesn’t matter that he’s mentioned thousands of times in the files. It doesn’t matter that he’s accused of assaulting children in the files. So the entire right wing media ecosphere has collectively put its head in the sand about what’s in these files. I’m sure they frequently play the clip of Trump saying he’s been “fully exonerated,” though.

And why wouldn’t they? This leads to an examination of your typical Trump voter: low IQ, low information, and confidently incorrect. This is the base, the hardcore believers. The people who fly flags, wear clothing with Trump’s face on it, etc. This is arguably the most dangerous kind of stupid there is: a person who’s so stupid and uninformed that they actually think they’re intelligent. There’s no self evaluation, no acknowledgement that there’s more to learn. This person has no inner monologue. They say what they think and betray their stupidity for the world to see.

Not all Trump supporters fall into this category. There are those who look at issues such as illegal immigration, which is a real issue, promises of lower taxes, who doesn’t want to pay the government less, and other economic implications such as “Trump’s great for the economy.” These are people who will look past Trump’s BS because of the potential benefits they believe they can receive based on his policies.

Make no mistake, that’s not what @Mac9192 is. He sometimes tries to imply criticism, but his heart’s never really in it. He’s a true believer and always has been. It’s easy to understand why, though. @Mac9192 has spent his whole life feeling like he’s been screwed. If only “they” cared about people like him, everything would be better in this country, just like it was when he was a kid.

And then along came Trump, gliding down that golden escalator. Here’s a great businessman, it said so on TV, not a scummy politician, someone who speaks fluent moron and no doubt has historic levels of charisma. This guy says what I’ve been telling my buddies behind closed doors for years. And he says it proudly. He’s not ashamed. He just tells it like it is. He probably even uses racial slurs behind closed doors. And better yet, he cares about me. He’s going to deport all “those” people, bring back all the factory jobs my family worked when I was growing up, put the gays and trans people back where they belong, in the closet, put God back in schools and back in America! End this woke BS. I can finally say all those dumb things I think out loud and it’s freaking cool.

The allure of Trump is not hard to imagine. It’s like flies to a pile of **** for the ignorant. The problem, though, is that the promises he made were lies. Trump cares about one thing and one thing only. He only cares about himself. Everything, every policy, every law they’ve passed since he’s been elected, every court case he’s initiated, the one goal is and always has been to enrich himself and, by proxy, the Epstein class that he truly represents. He doesn’t care about his base. In reality, he probably looks down on them and despises them. They are simply a means to an end.

That’s who @Mac9192 is. Low IQ, low information, and confidently incorrect. @Mac9192 simply can’t acknowledge the Epstein files and Trump’s involvement. It would shatter his worldview. It would stain the best decade of his political life. It would mean that “his guy” was one of “them” all along. That he was wrong, his judgment was wrong, and that’s simply something an idiot can never admit to themselves. They don’t have the ability.

So he compensates in the only way he knows how. He calls people names, denigrates actual intelligent people, parrots Trump’s lies. He deflects, he ignores, he retreats deeper into safe spaces, he buries his head in the sand.

This is what the faithful are doing right now. The truth, reality, is just too much to comprehend. The day will come when these people disavow ever supporting Trump. The evidence against him on Epstein, the evidence of his grifts, the sheer criminality behind the man will be too much to bear. They’ll hide their MAGA flags, their merch. They’ll remove his face from their social profiles. They’ll pretend they knew it was a sham all along.

I honestly pity people like @Mac9192. They can’t help it, it’s how God made them. Forgive them, Father, for they know not what they do.
The last thing I want from you is pity. You disagree with me, that's fine. I live in the real world, and am around all kinds of people every day. I've owned my business for 22 years, and have made a decent living dealing with people every day.

You haven't formed your own opinions because you've been indoctrinated. I'd bet the farm it's from being educated past the high school level, and the corporate media. I learned years ago to not just trust what I'm told by the folks on tv. I also use a valuable thing. My eyes. You and @Ghost of Dattier on the other hand, are sheep to the media. Your emotions are dictated by what they tell you.

I'd also probably say you're somewhere around 30 years old. Not old enough to really know anything, but the age where you think you do.
 
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The last thing I want from you is pity. You disagree with me, that's fine. I live in the real world, and am around all kinds of people every day. I've owned my business for 22 years, and have made a decent living dealing with people every day.

You haven't formed your own opinions because you've been indoctrinated. I'd bet the farm it's from being educated past the high school level, and the corporate media. I learned years ago to not just trust what I'm told by the folks on tv. I also use a valuable thing. My eyes. You and @Ghost of Dattier on the other hand, are sheep to the media. Your emotions are dictated by what they tell you.

I'd also probably say you're somewhere around 30 years old. Not old enough to really know anything, but the age where you think you do.
A simple man, with simple anecdotal experiences, that lives in a bubble of their own creation. Plenty of morons succeed in this world @Mac9192, one of them even became President.

Keep burying your head in the sand. Pretend the Epstein files don’t exist. Pretend Trump’s not in them. Pretend Prince Andrew didn’t get arrested this morning. If you tell yourself it enough, you might even believe it.
 

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Poor @Ghost of Dattier and his feelings. And then there's this new clown, @DuckDevil. Talk about a real winner. He's posting links by NBC like they're worthy. His post above the link could have been posted during Obama's terms and Sleepy Joe's too.

If anyone thinks AOC is competent, they don't know the difference between a muffler and a gas cap. Again, she is the by product of drawn up districts made to benefit the overall IQ of that area. It's very low, so she fits right in.

It's also painfully obvious both parties are hacks. I don't see anyone here that leans right defending the likes of Rubio, Cruz, Graham... and sometimes Trump. Yet you morons on the left spent Ol Sleepy's four years bashing the man that wasn't even in office. Never did you dipshits say Biden and Harris weren't fit for office. And deep down you knew it. You cringed every time either one were in front of a microphone. We shook our heads in disbelief that these two were our leaders. They couldn't lead a hungry dog to a food bowl. The voting majority saw this, and voted for Trump.

And you two still haven't figured this out. America said enough of the pushing transgender crap down everyone's throats, along with the many other idiotic things the left were saying. Nothing in all their talking did anything to help America. Same with the illegal situation. Criminals were pouring in here, trafficking of kids, and you two were silent. Yet now you cry about everything Trump does.

You two are perfect representatives of the clown show America got tired of.
You're still too intellectually insecure and dishonest to address whether our President's post depicting the Obamas as apes is racist or not.

So much revisionist history here.

But first, once again, my feelings have nothing to do with this. I think you think that if you keep saying it I'll flip out or something. Good luck with that.

Y'all worship our President. You buy Trump-branded Bibles, Trump crypto, Trump cologne, MAGA hats and other apparel, huge flags and yard signs. He says he can shoot someone in the middle of 5th Avenue and his poll numbers will go up and he is right. Y'all excuse everything he does. You love claiming you don't support everything he does, but you never condemn a single specific thing.

There was some worshipful treatment with President Obama, for sure, though it still pales compared to President Trump's base. It was also a historical first for the Presidency, and his supporters have also been critical of him. There has been next to nothing like that around Hillary Clinton, Biden, or Harris.

No one is pushing transgender crap down your throats except the conservative politicians who like using it to manipulate you. Out of over 500k NCAA athletes, fewer than 10 were transgender. That it's near the top of your list of things to mention is evidence of how you've been brainwashed by disproportionate jowl-wagging and pearl-clutching.
 

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The last thing I want from you is pity. You disagree with me, that's fine. I live in the real world, and am around all kinds of people every day. I've owned my business for 22 years, and have made a decent living dealing with people every day.

You haven't formed your own opinions because you've been indoctrinated. I'd bet the farm it's from being educated past the high school level, and the corporate media. I learned years ago to not just trust what I'm told by the folks on tv. I also use a valuable thing. My eyes. You and @Ghost of Dattier on the other hand, are sheep to the media. Your emotions are dictated by what they tell you.

I'd also probably say you're somewhere around 30 years old. Not old enough to really know anything, but the age where you think you do.
You live in a small town and run a tire shop. There is dignity in all work regardless.

By leading with transgenderism in the last post I quoted, you're demonstrating what a sheep you are. I already explained this in that very post. I'm happy to admit that education is not synonymous with intelligence... but you think there's an actual inverse relationship. Education is how people develop critical thinking skills, which are necessary for independent thought and being less susceptible to propaganda and indoctrination.

You are pitiful and pitiable, mac.
 

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A simple man, with simple anecdotal experiences, that lives in a bubble of their own creation. Plenty of morons succeed in this world @Mac9192, one of them even became President.

Keep burying your head in the sand. Pretend the Epstein files don’t exist. Pretend Trump’s not in them. Pretend Prince Andrew didn’t get arrested this morning. If you tell yourself it enough, you might even believe it.
I hope anyone who did horrible things associated with Epstein gets convicted. Just because someone knew him doesn't make them guilty. He knew a lot of people. There's been plenty of names mentioned, yet the only name you bring up is Trump. Why is that? The name Epstein has been talked about for years, yet you're now only interested. You're just like the other educated buffoon here, @Ghost of Dattier. You're hung up on Trump/Epstein, and he's hung up on Trump's racist remarks directed at Obama.

This is where the emotion/feeling comment comes from. Neither of you are about anything with substance. You're both so hung on Trump it affects your quality of life. You both also were very quiet during the Biden/Harris years. When anyone with any sense was outraged at those two clowns. Instead, you both whined about Trump. The name for that is TDS. You two need meds for it.

You also failed to mention my comment about your age. Must mean I was fairly close to the target.
 

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You live in a small town and run a tire shop. There is dignity in all work regardless.

By leading with transgenderism in the last post I quoted, you're demonstrating what a sheep you are. I already explained this in that very post. I'm happy to admit that education is not synonymous with intelligence... but you think there's an actual inverse relationship. Education is how people develop critical thinking skills, which are necessary for independent thought and being less susceptible to propaganda and indoctrination.

You are pitiful and pitiable, mac.
Where you fall short on my bringing up the transgender issue is the left spent so many years focusing on meaningless b.s. when there were real issues. You obviously didn't pay attention, because a lot of Americans saw it the same as I did, and voted for Trump. That is indisputable Datt. You just try twisting things like always, and as usual, you missed the point. So did the Democratic Party. But keep on pounding the same weak, non important matters like you always do.

On education being how people develop thinking skills, you're partly correct. Teachers in general do a good job, but they fall short because there's more to it than a teacher/professor who has never worked outside of the academic world.
 
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A simple man, with simple anecdotal experiences, that lives in a bubble of their own creation. Plenty of morons succeed in this world @Mac9192, one of them even became President.

Keep burying your head in the sand. Pretend the Epstein files don’t exist. Pretend Trump’s not in them. Pretend Prince Andrew didn’t get arrested this morning. If you tell yourself it enough, you might even believe it.
If Trump was in the Epstein files, don’t you think the Dems would have exposed it when they were in power? They raided his home, impeached him, and tried to assassinate him. They did everything they could think of to keep him from having a second term. He could possibly be in them with a long list of Democrats as well. Most politicians are corrupt as hell.
 

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You're still too intellectually insecure and dishonest to address whether our President's post depicting the Obamas as apes is racist or not.

So much revisionist history here.

But first, once again, my feelings have nothing to do with this. I think you think that if you keep saying it I'll flip out or something. Good luck with that.

Y'all worship our President. You buy Trump-branded Bibles, Trump crypto, Trump cologne, MAGA hats and other apparel, huge flags and yard signs. He says he can shoot someone in the middle of 5th Avenue and his poll numbers will go up and he is right. Y'all excuse everything he does. You love claiming you don't support everything he does, but you never condemn a single specific thing.

There was some worshipful treatment with President Obama, for sure, though it still pales compared to President Trump's base. It was also a historical first for the Presidency, and his supporters have also been critical of him. There has been next to nothing like that around Hillary Clinton, Biden, or Harris.

No one is pushing transgender crap down your throats except the conservative politicians who like using it to manipulate you. Out of over 500k NCAA athletes, fewer than 10 were transgender. That it's near the top of your list of things to mention is evidence of how you've been brainwashed by disproportionate jowl-wagging and pearl-clutching.
10 transgender in female sports is 10 too many.
 

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I hope anyone who did horrible things associated with Epstein gets convicted. Just because someone knew him doesn't make them guilty. He knew a lot of people. There's been plenty of names mentioned, yet the only name you bring up is Trump. Why is that? The name Epstein has been talked about for years, yet you're now only interested. You're just like the other educated buffoon here, @Ghost of Dattier. You're hung up on Trump/Epstein, and he's hung up on Trump's racist remarks directed at Obama.

This is where the emotion/feeling comment comes from. Neither of you are about anything with substance. You're both so hung on Trump it affects your quality of life. You both also were very quiet during the Biden/Harris years. When anyone with any sense was outraged at those two clowns. Instead, you both whined about Trump. The name for that is TDS. You two need meds for it.

You also failed to mention my comment about your age. Must mean I was fairly close to the target.
Let’s start with the age thing. This is how dumb people compartmentalize information. When you receive information that you can’t process or comprehend because it goes against your worldview, your natural defense mechanism is to trivialize the messenger into a category that you already have a predetermined idea of. The easiest way to do this is to sort people by age, race, gender, religion, et cetera. If you put people in those boxes, it gives you a simple, canned response (for a simple man) that you can use to quickly try to sidestep the actual argument or information. There are 547 pages of examples of how you do this time and time again.

You’re grasping for a life raft when it comes to me because you don’t actually know anything about me. You have no way of responding to anything I say other than childish name calling and trying to assign an identity that you can then write off with one of your moronic generalizations. Good luck with that.

A person like you who lacks the ability to self reflect, to take in new information, and to adjust to that information has undoubtedly run into issues in their personal life due to these personality deficits. I would assume that you’re mildly aware of where you fall short. However, please don’t tell me anything more about yourself. It’s completely irrelevant to me. I don’t need to put you in a box to call you out. I already have a great understanding of what you are.

Now, let’s shift focus to your “argument”. It’s not much of one, really. A bunch of regurgitated Fox News talking points, some mild bashing of higher education, a bunch of nonsense overall. The one point I could pull from your incoherent rambling is this: why bring up Trump’s name? Many people are named in the files, so why focus on him?

That’s simple, @Mac9192. He’s the sitting President of the United States. He has all the power. Everything flows through him. He controls the Justice Department. He controls Congress. He controls all aspects of any branch that could hold him accountable for his crimes. He has the power to pardon himself and his co-conspirators, just like he’ll inevitably pardon Ghislaine Maxwell. He signed the law to release the files in November, only because of the veto proof majority the bill had in the House and Senate, and he’s the one who has orchestrated the cover up ever since. He’s also about to go to war with Iran to distract people from the truth. This will result in lost American lives, which is completely unacceptable.

Why now? Trump signed a law in November that forced the release of files no one had seen until now. It was theorized that Trump was tied to Epstein before. Now it has been proven. While half the files are still being illegally hidden, three million pages, and despite the DOJ’s best efforts, Trump’s name appears in the files thousands of times. Not once or twice. Thousands of times. Including some pretty terrible accusations of him assaulting children. Some of which are in sworn statements to the FBI. And that’s far from the only thing he’s tied to in the files. Make no mistake, the files that have been released are horrifying. I can’t even imagine what they must be hiding in the other half of unreleased files.

Now, I’m sure you’ll find a way to write this off. You can’t process information that goes against your worldview. And when you’re in a cult, you ride that sucker to the end. So don’t worry about it. I’m sure the other knuckle draggers will come in here and like your post. You’ll feel accomplished. You’ll feel like you get it. That you’re smart. That you’re in the in group. One of the guys.

But you’re not. You’re not smart. You don’t have it figured out. You’re in an information bubble. A fantasy. Along with the other knuckle draggers. And you’re in so deep that you can’t even comprehend it.
 
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If Trump was in the Epstein files, don’t you think the Dems would have exposed it when they were in power? They raided his home, impeached him, and tried to assassinate him. They did everything they could think of to keep him from having a second term. He could possibly be in them with a long list of Democrats as well. Most politicians are corrupt as hell.
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What do you mean “if” Trump was in the Epstein files? He’s literally in them thousands of times. I linked to the files a couple of pages back. Don’t believe me? Read them for yourself.
 

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Of all the corruption that has been going on, this young educated (but not intelligent) clown, @DuckDevil is focusing on Trump and Epstein. He didn't want to hear anything about Epstein until now. Like @dukesince91 said, if Trump was involved like this moron suggests, more would have come out years ago. This is the left's next witch hunt. Simple as that. They've been trying for years, hell they even tried when he wasn't in office, and tried assassinating him twice. This dimwit hasn't lived long enough to learn anything of value.

Of course he's probably ruined anyway. Years of education and buying the crap corporate media has been spewing will do that to weak men.

@DuckDevil and @Ghost of Dattier are great examples of weak men.
 

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Of all the corruption that has been going on, this young educated (but not intelligent) clown, @DuckDevil is focusing on Trump and Epstein. He didn't want to hear anything about Epstein until now. Like @dukesince91 said, if Trump was involved like this moron suggests, more would have come out years ago. This is the left's next witch hunt. Simple as that. They've been trying for years, hell they even tried when he wasn't in office, and tried assassinating him twice. This dimwit hasn't lived long enough to learn anything of value.

Of course he's probably ruined anyway. Years of education and buying the crap corporate media has been spewing will do that to weak men.

@DuckDevil and @Ghost of Dattier are great examples of weak men.
You seem to be getting emotional. There’s no need for that. I understand that the truth hurts, and it’s not uncommon for a person like you to let their emotions get the best of them. I see you’ve predictably fallen back on your only defense: name calling and trying to generalize people. Like I said before, that won’t work on me. It’s also worth noting that once again, you completely disregarded where I answered your question because the answer challenges your world view. Predictably, you’re incapable of actually dealing with the substance.

This thread as a whole is pretty interesting. It’s a time capsule of sorts, filled with some very interesting individuals. It’s been fun to look at how certain events were argued and discussed. But when it comes to you, it’s entirely predictable. It makes clear your inability to take in and process new information. You have literally been repeating the same nonsense for years. Absolutely no growth or self reflection whatsoever. You’re incapable of doing anything new or interesting. There are no surprises with you, Mac. It’s sad, really.

Many people have taken the time to try to explain things to you in good faith, but you’re simply too ignorant to absorb anything. In fact, these pages are filled with you being terrible to people, calling them names and generalizing them, all the same stuff you’re trying to do to me. You were vicious to those people, and your peanut gallery of ghouls cheered you on.

You’re the type of person who brings no value to the table. Your childlike nature prevents you from ever offering anything of relevance. In short, you fit in well with the other knuckle draggers in this thread. As I said earlier, it’s not your fault. You can’t help that you’re stupid, and I don’t hold it against you. I will, however, keep pointing out where you fall short, where your thought process is nonsense, and where you’re wasting time and space.

You still can’t process the Trump and Epstein connection. It’s too painful for you. You’ll try to rationalize anything else that could possibly lead to a different reality or outcome. I really wish you hadn’t started attacking me. I would have just ignored you like all the others have before. They all knew what you are. Everyone in this thread knows what you are.

I do feel sorry for you, Mac. I can’t imagine what it would be like not to be able to learn new things, to have new ideas, to be stuck in a constant loop. It seems so sad to me. I sincerely hope you’re blissfully unaware of it, though.

Let’s keep going, though. This is where you call me some more names, regurgitate some talking points, try to guess my age, pray someone smarter comes along to bail you out. You always do that one.

Then I’ll make fun of you some more, and treat you exactly how you treated all those other people.
 
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