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That's not quite what happened but whatever. KSNB. Nationally, this story is perfect for social influencers to take their version and run with it. Their audience won't care to know the difference. It's the same with the extreme right or the extreme left. But locally, I'm going to go with the police investigation and actual news station reports so that I know what actually happened.
 
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HuskerO58

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That's not quite what happened but whatever. KSNB. Nationally, this story is perfect for social influencers to take their version and run with it. Their audience won't care to know the difference. It's the same with the extreme right or the extreme left. But locally, I'm going to go with the police investigation and actual news station reports so that I know what actually happened.
I can see the kids staying off the streets, next someone shouting at them, then a kid throwing something at the car (did it hit the actual driver?), then the driver getting out trying to discipline a kid and then getting whooped up on.

The GIPS Superintendent sounds like a huge wimp.
 

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That's not quite what happened but whatever. KSNB. Nationally, this story is perfect for social influencers to take their version and run with it. Their audience won't care to know the difference. It's the same with the extreme right or the extreme left. But locally, I'm going to go with the police investigation and actual news station reports so that I know what actually happened.
So the kids didn’t throw anything and that guy just got out and started yelling at them for no reason?
 

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So the kids didn’t throw anything and that guy just got out and started yelling at them for no reason?
The article says:

"This particular situation, a water bottle being thrown and hitting somebody in the face or in the head, caused them to retaliate,” Elliott said in an interview Tuesday.
 

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I’m not sure what happened here, but if a teacher is leading kids outside on a protest and one of those kids gets hurt, that seems like opening the door to a huge lawsuit.
As soon as a teacher leaves the school they should be terminated. They abandoned the job the taxpayer pays them to do. Just. *******. Teach.
 
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I can see the kids staying off the streets, next someone shouting at them, then a kid throwing something at the car (did it hit the actual driver?), then the driver getting out trying to discipline a kid and then getting whooped up on.

The GIPS Superintendent sounds like a huge wimp.

Typical lib argument. I don't care what the driver said (First Amendment), if a student threw a water bottle, brick, or a stuffed animal, the student needs to be expelled. No exceptions.
 
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The cartels are basically running Mexico now. That wall can't be high enough, long enough, nor wide enough.

Maybe these kids need a Sinaloa study abroad to get the message.
 
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Typical lib argument. I don't care what the driver said (First Amendment), if a student threw a water bottle, brick, or a stuffed animal, the student needs to be expelled. No exceptions.
Mostly agree, the stuffed animal part.... The object being thrown would have to potentially cause some sort of harm.
 

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Teach me one piece of history. Just one and we'll see if you actually know history.
I’m not a teacher doofus. I must have hit a nerve. I know one thing. If I was a young person today with kids, I’d homeschool. What these kids get in public school today is garbage.
 
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What about drug addicts and the disabled? Should each person have their own "drug addict" to take care of, or a person with intellectual disabilities? Then we will realize it is coming out of our pocket and stop supporting such people with our taxes. I can only assume that a healthy person from central America is more "valuable" than an American on opiates.
Drug Addicts I feel are a lot different than disabled or a person with intellectual disabilities.

Many disabled and people with intellectual disabilities do have a family network that does care and provide for them.

Drug Addicts made a selfish choice that their addiction is more important than their health, their well being, their family, and society. They add no value to society. They can’t hold down a job and don’t help contribute as a tax payer. Most are homeless and commit crimes to support their habit. Sponsoring them would only enable them. It is up to them to admit they have an addiction, that they are powerless, and find the steps for a better life.

So yes…I would pay to help US citizens who are disabled and US Citizens with intellectual disabilities. If a US citizen with drug addiction took the steps the help themselves, then probably I would contribute to a fund to help them stay clean and only if they remained clean. No I would not contribute to a fund helping immigrants who entered this country illegally. I consider it a slap in the face to every immigrant who did go through the lengthy green card or naturalization process. It bothers me that illegals feel they are above this process and it bothers me that some US citizens think this process should not apply because they are here. The fact remains, they entered this country illegally.
 

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Typical lib argument. I don't care what the driver said (First Amendment), if a student threw a water bottle, brick, or a stuffed animal, the student needs to be expelled. No exceptions.
So, the First Amendment doesn't protect you from getting punched by another person.

The kid who tossed something should not only be expelled but should have charges pressed against them.
 

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I’m not a teacher doofus. I must have hit a nerve. I know one thing. If I was a young person today with kids, I’d homeschool. What these kids get in public school today is garbage.
Remember during covid when everyone had to "homeschool" and parents found out really fast that they hated teaching, hated having their kids home all day and you all lost your minds?

Homeschooling is a tough *** job.
 
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So the kids didn’t throw anything and that guy just got out and started yelling at them for no reason?
According to the report, the guy yelled some pro-ICE stuff from his car and a girl threw a water bottle. Then the guy stopped his car and chased after a teenage girl. There's a reason he was arrested and pending charges.
 
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As soon as a teacher leaves the school they should be terminated. They abandoned the job the taxpayer pays them to do. Just. *******. Teach.
I agree with your thought here 100%. But at the same time, social media Influencers need clicks, followers, shares, likes. Those guys should not be shaping our reality, but in effect that is what happened. Your response above was to someone who literally led off their post with "I'm not sure what happened here, but...."

My understanding is that the walk out was pre-planned and occurred off school grounds. I doubt that any of the kids had excused absences. And I would be very surprised if teachers left work to walk around town with some HS kids.
 

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Typical lib argument. I don't care what the driver said (First Amendment), if a student threw a water bottle, brick, or a stuffed animal, the student needs to be expelled. No exceptions.
No exceptions? LOL. Know your constitution. Off school grounds. It will be handled by police.
 

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So, the First Amendment doesn't protect you from getting punched by another person.

The kid who tossed something should not only be expelled but should have charges pressed against them.
Multiple charges will be issued. But that student will not be expelled for committing an assault off school property.

Why is the loud mouth balding fat *** getting a pass on this? He started it all. Have some common sense and self control dude. It's common sense not to shout at large groups of kids gathered on the street. And then the guy chases after a teenage girl?
 
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Multiple charges will be issued. But that student will not be expelled for committing an assault off school property.

Why is the loud mouth balding fat *** getting a pass on this? He started it all. Have some common sense and self control dude. It's common sense not to shout at large groups of kids gathered on the street. And then the guy chases after a teenage girl?
So he can't protest the protesters? He needs to have self control and not say anything, but she doesn't have to control herself and keep the water bottle in her hand? That is what started it. Him chasing her, while wrong, was a byproduct of her not having self control. How dare someone shout back at protesters.

Once again you don't understand the rules of the school. No one is saying they should be expelled for committing an assault, she could be expelled for leaving the campus without permission. It is called elopement and different districts have different policies.

It appears that you only deal with the end result and want to judge that. I'll share an incident that took place in my school. Texas law prohibits use of cell phones and other personal communication devices, other than district issued laptops, during the school day. Any personal devices are to be turned off and stored in their backpacks. A girl was walking down the hall and a fight broke out, the girl immediately pulled out her phone to record the fight, he phone ended up on the ground and the screen shattered. She blamed the girl behind her for bumping into her and causing her to drop the phone. While true, the girl did bump her and caused her phone to fall and shatter, the real issue is the phone shouldn't have been out to begin with. If the phone is in the back pack, it isn't broken. Choice/ consequence.

To tie it back to this interaction. The students are supposed to be in class, they weren't. Had they been in class doing what they are supposed to be doing, the old guy doesn't yell at her, she doesn't throw a water bottle at him and this is episode doesn't take place.

There are plenty of opportunities to protest ICE, global warming, or any number of social justice causes these students want to protest on their own time. Skip school and protest all you want, but once they enter the school, there are rules and regulations they need to adhere to. Again, choices/consequences.
 

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Multiple charges will be issued. But that student will not be expelled for committing an assault off school property.

Why is the loud mouth balding fat *** getting a pass on this? He started it all. Have some common sense and self control dude. It's common sense not to shout at large groups of kids gathered on the street. And then the guy chases after a teenage girl?
Well, you have to remember that even on this site we have a lot of "grown men" that only "tell it like it is" and claim that they, in this situation would either...

1. Stop their truck, get out of their truck and start yelling at those kids, calling them "retards" and "mouthbreathers" and then trying to fight them...

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2. They would stop their truck and take out their gun, because that is their right, to threaten the kids.



While normal grown ups would just drive by and go about their day.
 
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Well, you have to remember that even on this site we have a lot of "grown men" that only "tell it like it is" and claim that they, in this situation would either...

1. Stop their truck, get out of their truck and start yelling at those kids, calling them "retards" and "mouthbreathers" and then trying to fight them...

or


2. They would stop their truck and take out their gun, because that is their right, to threaten the kids.



While normal grown ups would just drive by and go about their day.
So what is the point of protesting if "normal grown ups would just drive by and go about their day"? Are you saying no one cares about their cause? They should just be ignored?
 

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So what is the point of protesting if "normal grown ups would just drive by and go about their day"? Are you saying no one cares about their cause? They should just be ignored?
The point of protesting? It is to create change.

I don't care about their cause, I am sure some people do.

I would ignore them, yes.

What are your answers to those questions that you asked?
 
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The point of protesting? It is to create change.

I don't care about their cause, I am sure some people do.

I would ignore them, yes.

What are your answers to those questions that you asked?
I am just reading what you wrote about "normal grown ups" and what they should do when they pass by a protest. If they should just ignore it and move on with their day aren't the protesters just old men yelling at clouds? It would seem that you don't believe these protests are doing what they should be doing and would be a waste of time or their target audience is abnormal grown ups. Which, indirectly, would be a waste of time as well because those people are abnormal.
 

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I am just reading what you wrote about "normal grown ups" and what they should do when they pass by a protest. If they should just ignore it and move on with their day aren't the protesters just old men yelling at clouds? It would seem that you don't believe these protests are doing what they should be doing and would be a waste of time or their target audience is abnormal grown ups. Which, indirectly, would be a waste of time as well because those people are abnormal.
Oh, okay.

I have to be honest, I have no idea what you are talking about it now. Sorry.
 
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Oh, okay.

I have to be honest, I have no idea what you are talking about it now. Sorry.
Don't be dense. You are labeling people as normal grown ups and saying normal grown ups will just ignore protesters. So if normal people are ignoring this, that would leave only abnormal people who will pay any attention to the protesters.
 

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Don't be dense. You are labeling people as normal grown ups and saying normal grown ups will just ignore protesters. So if normal people are ignoring this, that would leave only abnormal people who will pay any attention to the protesters.
I am dense though, I am not as undense as most of you that post here, I have said that over and over.

Ahhh, no, okay, you didn't get what I was saying, that is okay.

Only ABNORMAL adults would get out and try to fight the kids and/or pull out their gun to scare the kids.
 
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According to the report, the guy yelled some pro-ICE stuff from his car and a girl threw a water bottle. Then the guy stopped his car and chased after a teenage girl. There's a reason he was arrested and pending charges.
Did the water bottle hit the guy or no? Or her just throwing a water bottle randomly be enough for him to get out of his vehicle?
 
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I am dense though, I am not as undense as most of you that post here, I have said that over and over.

Ahhh, no, okay, you didn't get what I was saying, that is okay.

Only ABNORMAL adults would get out and try to fight the kids and/or pull out their gun to scare the kids.
So protesting the protest is abnormal? Did he try to fight her based on her protesting or her throwing a water bottle?
 
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So protesting the protest is abnormal? Did he try to fight her based on her protesting or her throwing a water bottle?
Protesting at all is abnormal, which is why the vast majority of people never join in a protest.

I have no idea why he tried to fight her, I did not even know it was a girl. But a grown man trying to fight a girl is also abnormal, which is why it rarely happens. Statistically speaking.

What are you seeing is a small % of the population that is into protesting, counter-protesting and kid vs adult water bottle throwing and adult vs kid fighting. Those things are all abnormal, statistically speaking.

Think of it like this...you are driving and you get cut off.

Statisically speaking these things would be "normal"

Swearing at the driver, doing nothing at all, maybe speeding up and cutting off the driver.

Abnormal, statistically speaking, would be to follow that driver home, get of of your car and shooting them.
 
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Protesting at all is abnormal, which is why the vast majority of people never join in a protest.

I have no idea why he tried to fight her, I did not even know it was a girl. But a grown man trying to fight a girl is also abnormal, which is why it rarely happens. Statistically speaking.

What are you seeing is a small % of the population that is into protesting, counter-protesting and kid vs adult water bottle throwing and adult vs kid fighting. Those things are all abnormal, statistically speaking.

Think of it like this...you are driving and you get cut off.

Statisically speaking these things would be "normal"

Swearing at the driver, doing nothing at all, maybe speeding up and cutting off the driver.

Abnormal, statistically speaking, would be to follow that driver home, get of of your car and shooting them.

So now you are writing that the act of protesting is abnormal, I would agree it is rare. But that doesn't address the people, which is what you originally claimed that a normal person would just drive by the protest. It is abnormal to have the ability to play college football. That doesn't make every college football player abnormal.
 

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So now you are writing that the act of protesting is abnormal, I would agree it is rare. But that doesn't address the people, which is what you originally claimed that a normal person would just drive by the protest. It is abnormal to have the ability to play college football. That doesn't make every college football player abnormal.
A normal person would drive by. That is why a huge % of people on that road just drove by.

I feel like you are arguing just to argue, which I really don't mind at all. But I also think you 100% agree with me, which you did.
 

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What about drug addicts and the disabled? Should each person have their own "drug addict" to take care of, or a person with intellectual disabilities? Then we will realize it is coming out of our pocket and stop supporting such people with our taxes. I can only assume that a healthy person from central America is more "valuable" than an American on opiates.
Citizen is the missing concept here.
 

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Citizen is the missing concept here.
I thought it had more to do with them being free-loaders? They can be made citizens very easily. Especially those that work in essential jobs for years. Why not just give them temp status as long as they work in an essential industry and then they can work into full citizenship. If they don't want to be documented and work, then deport them.
 
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Drug Addicts I feel are a lot different than disabled or a person with intellectual disabilities.

Many disabled and people with intellectual disabilities do have a family network that does care and provide for them.

Drug Addicts made a selfish choice that their addiction is more important than their health, their well being, their family, and society. They add no value to society. They can’t hold down a job and don’t help contribute as a tax payer. Most are homeless and commit crimes to support their habit. Sponsoring them would only enable them. It is up to them to admit they have an addiction, that they are powerless, and find the steps for a better life.

So yes…I would pay to help US citizens who are disabled and US Citizens with intellectual disabilities. If a US citizen with drug addiction took the steps the help themselves, then probably I would contribute to a fund to help them stay clean and only if they remained clean. No I would not contribute to a fund helping immigrants who entered this country illegally. I consider it a slap in the face to every immigrant who did go through the lengthy green card or naturalization process. It bothers me that illegals feel they are above this process and it bothers me that some US citizens think this process should not apply because they are here. The fact remains, they entered this country illegally.
The lengthy naturalization process is arbitrary, it isn't a natural system. If your only reason to want to deport people who have worked in America for years is because some government people made an arduous process , then I feel that is dubious. Our ancestors went through hell so we didn't have to...we shouldn't have to get tuberculosis or plague just because they did. I bet there is a lot of resistance to legalization because corporate would have to document all their cheap labor and that would complicate a lot of exploitation. Easier to just deport for now until this whole thing passes over.
 

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So he can't protest the protesters? He needs to have self control and not say anything, but she doesn't have to control herself and keep the water bottle in her hand? That is what started it. Him chasing her, while wrong, was a byproduct of her not having self control. How dare someone shout back at protesters.
He wasn't protesting the protesters. He was shouting stuff from his car. As you said, he should have had self control. And the girl shouldn't have thrown a water bottle. Obviously the man said something that triggered that reaction. I'm glad the law doesn't give the man a free pass and the teenage girl should learn a lesson from all of this.
Once again you don't understand the rules of the school. No one is saying they should be expelled for committing an assault, she could be expelled for leaving the campus without permission. It is called elopement and different districts have different policies.
The comment about expelling had to do with the poster not liking what they were protesting and then throwing a bottle at the angry jackass. It didn't have to do with leaving school. If that was the case, then the entire bunch apparently is supposed to be expelled. The state must by law provide all kids with an education. Where do they go? Wherever it is, the district foots the bill. No professional administrator is going to expel 150 kids, most of which have never been in trouble, for walking out. And there's got to be due process hearings and so forth. At a Catholic School, sure toss the kids out... unless they are good at sports... and send the riff raff to public school.

But these walkouts, while embarrassing to a school district and people disagreeing with it, is like releasing a pressure valve. It's better policy to do what G.I. did. The admin got alerted to an upcoming walkout. Send out emails to parents. Give them unexcused absences. Don't allow them back into the school for the remainder of the day. A de facto partial out of school suspension.

The laughable alternative that some on this board have proposed is that school personnel should stop the walkouts. Holy ****. You gonna have the armed school resource officers standing at the doors? Principals shout at the students to get back in class? How do you think that would go? Those kids would be disruptive to the learning environment for everyone else. If they ever made it back to class. It would be a **** show. Then there would be the public outrage of parents comparing the school to a jail or God knows what.... The principal who made that decision would lose his/her job or more likely resign.
 

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People that are not in education often are the ones that have "all the answers" when in reality, they have no clue at all, more than likely can't control their own kids and/or think their kids are perfect and have no clue what their kids are doing behind their back.
 
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He wasn't protesting the protesters. He was shouting stuff from his car. As you said, he should have had self control. And the girl shouldn't have thrown a water bottle. Obviously the man said something that triggered that reaction. I'm glad the law doesn't give the man a free pass and the teenage girl should learn a lesson from all of this.

The comment about expelling had to do with the poster not liking what they were protesting and then throwing a bottle at the angry jackass. It didn't have to do with leaving school. If that was the case, then the entire bunch apparently is supposed to be expelled. The state must by law provide all kids with an education. Where do they go? Wherever it is, the district foots the bill. No professional administrator is going to expel 150 kids, most of which have never been in trouble, for walking out. And there's got to be due process hearings and so forth. At a Catholic School, sure toss the kids out... unless they are good at sports... and send the riff raff to public school.

But these walkouts, while embarrassing to a school district and people disagreeing with it, is like releasing a pressure valve. It's better policy to do what G.I. did. The admin got alerted to an upcoming walkout. Send out emails to parents. Give them unexcused absences. Don't allow them back into the school for the remainder of the day. A de facto partial out of school suspension.

The laughable alternative that some on this board have proposed is that school personnel should stop the walkouts. Holy ****. You gonna have the armed school resource officers standing at the doors? Principals shout at the students to get back in class? How do you think that would go? Those kids would be disruptive to the learning environment for everyone else. If they ever made it back to class. It would be a **** show. Then there would be the public outrage of parents comparing the school to a jail or God knows what.... The principal who made that decision would lose his/her job or more likely resign.
What is the definition of a protest? The protesters were yelling for their support for illegal aliens. He was yelling back his support for legally deportation (protesting her opinion). The student, like many high school students, don't like to be challenged on their opinions so she retaliated by throwing a water bottle. Again what he did by chasing her was stupid and unnecessary. But once again it shows you that you don't know what someone else is capable of when you confront them.

You do understand that expelling the student doesn't have to be for the year. It can be as short time. A better term should have been a long term suspension. Regardless, there are options.

There are easier ways to stop the protest than using armed guards. Instead of telling parents that there would just be a slap on the wrist, let them know that if a student leaves campus they will be subject to a multi-day suspension. So instead of the parent saying its ok to miss the afternoon, the student will miss 3 days, they would be more inclined to tell their kids to just stay in class.

Clearly suspensions work better in grades k-7/8 because the parents are inconvenienced. But suspension is still an effective tool for undesired school behavior.
 
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What is the definition of a protest? The protesters were yelling for their support for illegal aliens. He was yelling back his support for legally deportation (protesting her opinion). The student, like many high school students, don't like to be challenged on their opinions so she retaliated by throwing a water bottle. Again what he did by chasing her was stupid and unnecessary. But once again it shows you that you don't know what someone else is capable of when you confront them.

You do understand that expelling the student doesn't have to be for the year. It can be as short time. A better term should have been a long term suspension. Regardless, there are options.

There are easier ways to stop the protest than using armed guards. Instead of telling parents that there would just be a slap on the wrist, let them know that if a student leaves campus they will be subject to a multi-day suspension. So instead of the parent saying its ok to miss the afternoon, the student will miss 3 days, they would be more inclined to tell their kids to just stay in class.

Clearly suspensions work better in grades k-7/8 because the parents are inconvenienced. But suspension is still an effective tool for undesired school behavior.
Amen, like I said before. THE PARENTS need to do this stuff and stop trying to toss everything on teachers.
 
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