Times have changed. Letting sick or injured wrestlers wrestler opens the whole university up to lawsuits. A lawyer would have a field day if a wrestler was permitted to wrestle with a tempature of 103 and somethinghappened related to the tempature. In medicine we say just write the check.
Is Iowa our biggest rival?
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Regardless of Kueter’s health status, he’s 5-5 on the year with zero bonus point victories. It’s not good.
With two duals left in their season (Purdue and OkSt), Ayala and Kueter are a combined 13-11 on the year.
With two duals left in their season (Purdue and OkSt), Ayala and Kueter are a combined 13-11 on the year.
and reasonable chance of 15-13 heading into B10s, with Forrest and Doucet remaining.
Blame it on his surgery or whatever, but neither Kueter or Gabe who were both top 5 guys coming out have done much given their lofty rankings so far. Combo that with the 125lber who quit and that's a recipe for overall team struggles. I don't care if you blame it on injuries, football distractions, etc. the fact remains, TnT recruited all 3 of those guys and none have worked out. BK was always clear he would pursue football in college and Gabe's height/length limitations didn't all of a sudden appear. TnT have to take some of the blame for recruiting both and likely committing resources to them that might have gone elsewhere? I dunno but Braeden Davis, whom ppl think of on this board as a bit of a disappointment (I don't) has as many AA's as those 3 combined and he wasn't even in the top 25 coming out.
I don't even think Ayala has regressed. Three of his losses were to Davino and Blaze. 133 is the new 165 from a few years ago. Kueter, on the hand, has looked terrible.
How heavily was Arnold recruited out of high school? I was wondering this the other day. Did any schools not go after him because of how short he is for the weight he wrestles? I guess being short for his weight class didn’t hurt McIntosh too badly.
Might not have 'regressed' but he hasn't improved. He is a 1 trick pony which the field has scouted and he's been passed by. I doubt its common that a 2x returning finalist with double digit matches is battling .500 late into February and it not being injury related.
So, you share your own experience wrestling with a 102 temp and ending up in an ambulance and then you compare CStar's injury to Arnold's supposed 103 temp? Can you really be that obtuse?
I didn’t say anything about blaming. The surgery explains the lack of athleticism. I was just pointing out the decline in offensive skills isn't just a surgical side-effect. Loss of offensive skills is a direct by-product of long-term Carver wrestling room exposure.
I am a firm believer in never passing on an opportunity to make a dump on remark concerning Hawk wrestling or HR content.
He said guy can sue for wrestling sick and injured. Did you not see what he said? I'm just curious what he thinks about it. Because I think that's a ridiculous statement he made
PSU did not pursue heavily and Gabe's dad's feelings were severely bruised.
Gabe moved to Iowa City to wrestle his senior year and I would think heavy recruiting ceased.
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Huge difference between an athlete with an injured limb that has been medically assessed, treated and is now training/rehabing to help in healing process of said limb as well as securing the limb to protect it in competition and has been given a medical release from a physician after a strenuous assessment
Versus
an athlete with an acute illness with a critically high temperature that has not been assessed by a physician and has not been cleared medically.
Carter was medically cleared to compete. I guarantee no physician is medically clearing an athlete with a temp of 103 plus to compete.
What if Gabe didn't tell anyone he was sick and just wrestled? Who's at fault? I'm being like 98 now I know
Thanks. But even me making fun. Ben could have been healthy, but he wasn't going to be getting better (technique wise) in that room.
The conversation was about known sick or injured and the comparison was between known and acutely sick and known but treated (read, non acute) injury.What if Gabe didn't tell anyone he was sick and just wrestled? Who's at fault? I'm being like 98 now I know
Did Endene improve at Iowa? How about Buchanan? Has Caliendo improved? The accountability lies on the athlete as well doesn't it?
Endene wasn't at Iowa long enough to assess.
Maybe (the weight cleared out ahead of him so hard to gauge improvement from just his senior season)
Yes
Yes
So you think if Buchanan stayed at Oklahoma he's a NCAA champion and beats Barr?
I’m old enough to remember the NCAA paying close to $100 million this past summer to settle a class action lawsuit by athletes that were allowed to compete despite concussions and who suffered brain injuries because of it. 
If he got to Barr I think he might have, Barr was banged up and I think Buchanananananan was a bad match up for him anyhow.
Like I said, don’t need to hear stories from the Stone Age. I competed too, through the mid 80s and know it was far different back then. Coming off the field after a hit with everything tinted yellow green for me and getting the smelling salts before going right back in was a thing. Not any more. Plus, you say 102 - that’s about as high as you get for the normal range of a virus Moving up to 103 , you are moving into dangerous territory and it is a signal that something is going on that should be monitored.
Like I said, most likely a slight exaggeration, but if he really took the mat with a 103.0 or higher and a trainer or physician was involved that’s a head shaker nowadays.
Maybe. We'll never know. Buchanan only lost to Brooks at the prior NCAAs. Slumlord Bob definitely got his
worth with bringing Buchanan over. First ever Hawk 197 champ.
Gonna disagree with 2/3 of this. Kueter, fair.
Arnold is at the same weights as Kennedy and Ferrari. At PSU we would call this quality depth, or call him Nate Desmond or Lucas Cochran and clamor to get him into the lineup. He's not a future national champ but is a likely AA at 174 next year with Kennedy graduated.
Jesuroga ... we're gonna blame Brands for him quitting the sport in his HS SR year? Yes, that was a setback. Also, Iowa with Ayala, Cruz, Peterson, and DeLuca recovered far quicker from this than PSU did from Cruiseliner Nick.
The real problem is recruiting and talent development across the board. Ayala, Bailey, and Williams regressed. Peterson and Kennedy stagnated. DeLuca and Ludington aren't ready (vs Desmond and Henckel could go now if needed). Petersen, Block, and Estrada haven't developed beyond serviceable and might never.
That plus injuries. Lots and lots of wear and tear.
Buchanan also wasn't Iowa's first choice -- he beat that guy in the semis.Maybe. We'll never know. Buchanan only lost to Brooks at the prior NCAAs. Slumlord Bob definitely got his
Not able to measure Eudene. He was quite successful in his previous division.
Buchanan had offensive skills, came in and his conditioning and toughness improved. Caliendo also became better and is the only one you mentioned who came in, got the conditioning and toughness bump and hasn't been breaking down despite the long term exposure.
Ok you don't count Gabe as a miss as a top 5 recruit that cannot crack the lineup behind a 1 time AA? I agree that for PSU that is called quality depth, but a team that has as many holes in it as Iowa, that is called a miss. We can agree to disagree I suppose. I agree with your overall premise, its recruiting, development, etc. that was what i was getting at. Even when they get highly rated guys (which is few and far between), they dont seem to pan out.
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Gabe’s father tweeted something like, “even with a 103 degree temperature, it’s great seeing Gabe win.” It’s not clear but I read it as, “even though I had a 103 degree temperature, I loved watching my boy.” That makes more sense anyway than Ben wrestling so sick.
Gabe’s father tweeted something like, “even with a 103 degree temperature, it’s great seeing Gabe win.” It’s not clear but I read it as, “even though I had a 103 degree temperature, I loved watching my boy.” That makes more sense anyway than Ben wrestling so sick.
Kennedy and Ferrari were both higher-ranked recruits than Arnold. If that's how we're judging Arnold, then he's the odd man out.
Anyway, I don't blame anybody for recruiting Arnold. He's still an AA-level guy, just not a linchpin.
His recruiting ranking was either correct or too high, depending on whether you value HS achievement or future potential. Like you said, his physical stature didn't change. From Brands' recruiting history, it's fairly obvious which he values.
Endene wasn't there long enough to see his shadow.
Less than 6 weeks of wrestling.
I think that T&T should ask Gable politely, if they can change their wrestling strategy.
I mean the strategy of a loss being equal to a death in the family is self-defeating, especially for wrestlers with small families. What happens when they run out of family members, give up? When some Iowa kids lose saying it's like the death of a stranger may not be enough incentive.
I mean the strategy of a loss being equal to a death in the family is self-defeating, especially for wrestlers with small families. What happens when they run out of family members, give up? When some Iowa kids lose saying it's like the death of a stranger may not be enough incentive.
Yeah, with the influx of world class talent this year in Blaze, Davino, Jax, Larkin, Seidel, it’s no guarantee that either returning finalist is even an AA this year. The unfortunate Crookham injury lightens the load a little, but it’s still a murderer’s row to go through.
How likely is it that those five guys in this year’s freshmen class only lose to each other in their entire careers?
Zero for those who end up in Ono's weight next year.
I'm really not liking okie state. I found myself rooting for iowa during that match and then found myself in the shower crying
I missed the first four matches; watched the last six….
Not only did I find myself rooting for Iowa, I found myself rooting HARDEST for Gabe Arnold… he who a year or two earlier was a pariah among us for talking smack that he was going to beat Carter!
… I guess he has come down to earth and become a sympathetic figure!
And oh by the way he was going against our erstwhile wrestler… what has it all come to??
Sounds like we should soon expect four horsemen, seven trumpets, one beast, …
