They have not played a rank team all year, and they don't the rest of the season. The hardest game they have left is Marshall, who is 14-8, and they don't play either of the two teams with decent records in their league, so very likely they will be 31-0 going into their league tourney. I doubt anyone thinks they should be a 1 seed if they are 34-0 going into the NCAA tournament, but what seed should they be?
What seed should Miami (OH) get if they finish undefeated?
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I don't remember how their schedule was, but recall an undefeated Wichita St team was a 1-seed. But Miami really hasn't played a single Power 5 school. So I think they might get into the 4-5 seed range.
Can't see them as anything more than a 6. Their schedule is not good. Non-conference schedule is the 3rd weakest in college basketball. 13 of their 22 wins are against Q4 teams. Another 4 wins are Q3. 2 other wins are against NAIA teams. The MAC is the 12th ranked conference. Their best win is probably Akron. I get it might be hard to get top teams to play a team from the MAC, but you can still try to get teams from conference like the WCC, MVC, WAC, and American
).That WSU team also beat BYU, UT and Alabama before conference play. They deserved that 1 seed.
Undeserved 4 to 6 seed.
Probably more like an 8 to 10 if properly seeded.
Probably more like an 8 to 10 if properly seeded.
idk, 10?
if they don't like it, they can always toughen up their schedule.
if they don't like it, they can always toughen up their schedule.
They've had several games they should have lost to not so great teams. Impressive record for sure but I'm not sold they are all that great.
of course they aren't. we'd probably go undefeated with their schedule or close to it, and we aren't particularly great.
Well, if we’re looking for precedent, the 2014 Wichita State and 1979 Indiana State teams were both 1 seeds as undefeated mid majors. Although I believe they had better wins on their résumé (I recall 79 ISU at beaten a top five ranked Purdue) than this Miami crew.
i’m guessing they’d be a 3 or 4 at the worst. Going unbeaten in this age is still an incredible feat, even with a weak schedule.
i’m guessing they’d be a 3 or 4 at the worst. Going unbeaten in this age is still an incredible feat, even with a weak schedule.
They have played some rank teams this year but no ranked teams.
I think they should be at a 9 or worse. If this Kentucky team had played their schedule we’d go undefeated too. Gotta think about that. They shouldn’t be rewarded for playing bad teams. Might put them at a 12 or so if they had close calls with some bad ones too.
And Tulane and JMU had no business being in that playoff. Stop rewarding teams that don’t play people. Go by the truth and the truth is they don’t belong.
And Tulane and JMU had no business being in that playoff. Stop rewarding teams that don’t play people. Go by the truth and the truth is they don’t belong.
It's not just zero Quad 1 opponents. They play only one top-100 opponent, #50 Akron at home. Next best opponent is #124 Wright State. It's gonna be real damn hard to judge how good they are. They're currently 53rd in the NET with the 350th SOS. They're 89th in KenPom, 91st in BPI. I can't think of any historical comparison for them who played an absolute bottom level schedule but won all the games.
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They’re one of strangest cases I’ve ever seen having a 22-0 record with the metrics of a team who shouldn’t even make the tournament. If they can stay undefeated, I can’t see them doing better than a 7-8 seed.
Just as interesting of a hypothetical to me is wondering how many losses they can afford before missing out on an at-large bid if they get knocked off in the conference tournament. There would be public outrage if a team with only something like 1-3 losses got left out, but their resume is pretty much nonexistent. They’re such a unique case that I think you have to cut the committee some slack whatever they decide to do with them.
Just as interesting of a hypothetical to me is wondering how many losses they can afford before missing out on an at-large bid if they get knocked off in the conference tournament. There would be public outrage if a team with only something like 1-3 losses got left out, but their resume is pretty much nonexistent. They’re such a unique case that I think you have to cut the committee some slack whatever they decide to do with them.
I don't think many realize how close St Louis is to having an undefeated season.
Their only loss was by 1 point against Stanford on a 3 at the buzzer.
They did what most says you must do they fouled up 3 with 3 seconds left problem is Stanford hit the first FT missed the 2nd on purpose got the rebound and hit a 3 at the buzzer.
That is the one drawback to fouling up 3 you put losing in the equation even if it is only a small chance.
Their only loss was by 1 point against Stanford on a 3 at the buzzer.
They did what most says you must do they fouled up 3 with 3 seconds left problem is Stanford hit the first FT missed the 2nd on purpose got the rebound and hit a 3 at the buzzer.
That is the one drawback to fouling up 3 you put losing in the equation even if it is only a small chance.
Play in game honestly. Maybe the lowest last slot in outside play in teams? I think that would be a 10 seed, if they get an 11-12 it’s a play in which I could still see with such a pathetic resume.
I’m thinking 10 for sure. Non play in but weakest at large seed not in it.
Kind of reminds me of the 1998-1999 College of Charleston team. Wasn't undefeated, but pretty sure they were ranked and got an 8 seed.
I remember they complained about that and then lost to Tulsa in the first round. They went on a late run after being blown out most of the game.
Having said that, I hope they have a great run in March. I enjoyed their 99 run.
I remember they complained about that and then lost to Tulsa in the first round. They went on a late run after being blown out most of the game.
Having said that, I hope they have a great run in March. I enjoyed their 99 run.
We let Bellarmine score 85 points on us.
We would not be undefeated with the same schedule.
We would be unprepared most games and do a walk thru in others.
Thats easy. Dukes 1 vs 4 in the East region however close to Durham as the committee can make it..
They have a poor SOS but it is not like these teams have total freedom with scheduling so I hate this argument. Yes, SOS should ding them but it is not because they intentionally scheduled bad teams. They can't just call someone up tomorrow ans get a game.
And let's be real, power teams are refusing more and more to play quality mid major programs. Saw this happen to WKU when it was good.
So I agree they should not be a top seed or even higher than an 8 but some of your reasoning is poor.
Everything you post is negative and malicious toward UK. Go to your teams board. This clearly isn't it.
Yep. Honestly, no matter what, Miami will likely have to win their conference to get a bid.
Yep. This is the case.
37th in Kenpom.
38th in NET
It's amaziing how we have metrics that do a fairly good job at assessing where teams are at yet we choose to ignore those metrics in favor of room full of humans that are biased.
It also goes to show that while overall W/L record is a terrible way to assess teams, we still do it from time to time.
Uconn is 21-1 and projected to get the final 1 seed. They are 10th in Kenpom. Not a huge miatake but more deserving teams have a better case.
On the flipside you have Florida which is 7th overall in Kenpom projected to be a 5 seed........absolutely criminal for a team that might be the best team in the best conference. All because..........6 losses.
Do you know what I found interesting with them?
I don't think I've ever seen a team finish first in shooting and first in effective FG% defense as well. That's wild to me.
I will say tho FWIW Miami (FL) on Bracket Matrix is currently projected 10th. So maybe the committee does properly seed in this case.
Wisdom of the crowds is usually pretty accurate and to be given a 4-5 when the consensus is thinking 9-11 would be one of the wildest things i've seen since looking at all this bracket stuff. An extremely high % of teams are usually within 1-2 seed lines of the predicted.
Wisdom of the crowds is usually pretty accurate and to be given a 4-5 when the consensus is thinking 9-11 would be one of the wildest things i've seen since looking at all this bracket stuff. An extremely high % of teams are usually within 1-2 seed lines of the predicted.