The thing for me with the stall calls is that if the ref just calls them consistently, Merrill gets a point first and it doesn’t go OT. The one where he can’t return him when Cody hurts his ankle after being walked off.
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Yeah, but they admit it. And yes, Basch always seems to find a segway into PSU discussion from any topic.
But, I prefer that podcast over any other for Wrestling discussion/during current season.
Brandon Mason’s podcast is a gem too, it’s just focused on being a better Dad, Coach, teammate, etc.! It is great though!
Lee does a good job as well, if you like the OSU homerism slant to discussion…which I do!
One thing lost in some of the lack of offense discussion is that we are a team of 18 and 19-year-olds. ISU is a team of guys who are in their 5th and 6th years of college. I don't care how good you are, look at the body difference between Vega and Ech. It is typically going to be extremely hard for the freshman to score against guys who have been around that long, are that good and that strong.
Basch pod is more tolerable because of Willie. If not for willie, the pod will be PSU homer fest. But since Willie is there, its pretty nice.
I like the one with Pyles, the guy with the mustache, and the guy with the laptop.
Really proud of the squad today. Up and down everybody fought hard and stayed alert. Troy got it done. Jax impressed yet again. Vega is so squirrely and tricky. Swid, my goodness, just wrestled so well, happy for him. Landon looked good, powerful. Dee unleashed a bit, great work. Facundo is looking really solid and in control. Dopps wrestled hard. Merrill was right there, def questioning the ref; Elam choked him and literally walked him out of bounds, also Merrill had both of Elam's ankles and was behind the hips so that sure looked like a takedown to me. Doucet was also right there, just outskilled a bit but great to see him hanging with the top guys.
Looked like a good crowd too! Great job y'all
Looked like a good crowd too! Great job y'all
Still not sure how he's not called for stalling whille carrying Merrill for the last 10 seconds of the period....
He called it and gave Merrill 1 point
It was called an illegal move. He called that one correctly.
Im not sure if he was supposed to stop it there or not? Cody had him shelfed and was super close to earning the 3…so im not sure of the rule on stopping it there?
One of those situations where the ref didn't want to decide the match himself. Us lunatic fans think the refs want to be involved the reality is most want the wrestlers to decide it. Had Elam not been warned already he gets hit there . My opinion is be a little cautious as an official in those situations. But you also gotta have the balls to make the call when it's obvious. I think it was obvious and Elam should've been hit there for stalling
He didn't stop it immediately he allowed it to continue for a few seconds similar to how they do locked hands to see if the position actually changes
Yeah, I know. He signaled potential danger though.
That was one of the matches he missed a locked hands as well.
My thoughts on the chokehold. Either call it when the illegal hold is noticed or as Colby said, let it play out until a natural break occurs. This ref called a halt when Elam released the throat hold because Cody was taking Elam down. If he calls it correctly, Cody gets his takedown and penalty point and the strategy for the remainder of Cody’s match switches.
That’s exactly what I thought as well. He let him choke him for :5 seconds and then Cody is taking him down he releases and the ref halts it. I know I have orange eyes, but I agree with earlier post that said Cody had both ankles and was behind him. It was a flash :1 count before they went off…ok maybe .010, but I thought takedown was going to be called. Especially since we were at home lol
My only issue was not calling the inability to return a guy stalling consistently as I’ve said. He went 1/3 and the 1 was probably the least severe one.
On the throat hold, I like he didn’t stop the play as that benefits Cody but how long after the illegal hold point until Elam removed his hand? Seemed like he should’ve at least had to move the hand or get dinged again? I don’t remember how much longer it was honestly.
Agree on the one when he lifted him and held in the air that should've been called. I posted about that situation earlier in the thread as well
100% Willie is the only reason I watch the pod. Basch gets sooooo @SS hurt when he gets called out for his insane psu bias. He literally cant help himself. I thought he was gonna have a coronary when Willie said Haines knew what he was doing when he pushed Minto off the platform (which he did).
I really thought Merrill had a td the second time. We definitely need independent review.
My opinion is when they went to the hand touching being a takedown for a few seasons now the fans forgot what a real takedown actually looks like. I know reaction time isn't defined as a specific amount of time but in that situation I don't feel it was a takedown due to reaction time it may have been 3 for a 1/2 of a second which in my eyes isn't control. But I believe Merrill should have received a point when Elam held him in the air thats stalling
Looked like Merrill had both ankles secure and then Elam reaches back and grabs something, I dont remember what. Reaction time is up to the ref but this wasnt a "touching the far ankle for .5 secs" situation.
My issue with Merrill non-take down is that reaction time was basically how long it took Elam to reach behind and grab an ankle on Merrill.
To me reaction time should be the hold/move got broken in half a second. Reaction time shouldn't be let me find time to grab a yolo ankle reaching across the offensive wrestlers back. It would be one thing if Elam bounced out of that hold in .5 second. I hate reaction time to just grab an ankle and not actually break the hold.
To me reaction time should be the hold/move got broken in half a second. Reaction time shouldn't be let me find time to grab a yolo ankle reaching across the offensive wrestlers back. It would be one thing if Elam bounced out of that hold in .5 second. I hate reaction time to just grab an ankle and not actually break the hold.
Reaction time is the ref’s discretion and I’m pretty sure reviews are in real time with no slow motion.
The second, was a TD. Sorry, Cody had no room drive through the attempt to secure it since it was on the edge. He had both feet and couldnt pressure into him without going out of bounds (plus, he thought it was a TD too.) If it was in the middle, reaching back to grab an ankle would’ve put Rocky on his rear-end, which is a TD.
Another point, Nacho called stalling everytime we were shot off the mat, why wasn’t one called there?
Regardless, it was a poorly officiated dual.
The good news is that Cody knows he belongs with the unanimous #2 and the only thing that really matters is March, not a dual in February.
The second, was a TD. Sorry, Cody had no room drive through the attempt to secure it since it was on the edge. He had both feet and couldnt pressure into him without going out of bounds (plus, he thought it was a TD too.) If it was in the middle, reaching back to grab an ankle would’ve put Rocky on his rear-end, which is a TD.
Another point, Nacho called stalling everytime we were shot off the mat, why wasn’t one called there?
Regardless, it was a poorly officiated dual.
The good news is that Cody knows he belongs with the unanimous #2 and the only thing that really matters is March, not a dual in February.
Once he secured both ankles Elam immediately dives back for his ankles. That's never a takedown as far as I see it. But I'm not a fan of Oklahoma St so I'm looking at it differently
Haha, he sat down on his head, then had a Hail Mary grab for an ankle.
Either way, we don’t have a Time Machine.
It wasn't called because Elam dove back in for his ankles. And that situation would've ended in a stalemate if it's in the middle they would have been ankle to ankle and with Elam height advantage Merrill wouldve held for a stalemate he wouldn't want to allow Elam to get his head high and turn back in for 3
I'm watching it thru glasses that have no color at all and I get you have orange glasses on so we won't see this the same. I think Elam should've been hit for stalling when he lifted Cody which would've given Cody the 2-1 win
It wasn’t called because that’s one of the worst officiating jobs I’ve seen this season.
What about a stall call when shooting him off the mat? It happened several other times to us.
You will see everything one way fan is short for fanatic. You could say where were the stalls while Cody was on top not attempting one turn
. That's what Iowa St fans are saying. My opinion is the one bad call was not calling Elam for stalling at the end holding him in the air
We do agree there…You will see everything one way fan is short for fanatic. You could say where were the stalls while Cody was on top not attempting one turn
I just don't understand the need to turn takedown situations into what the NFL has done with catches. Giving a guy "reaction" time to grab a YOLO ankle across a wrestlers back just complicates something that doesn't need to be complicated. This wasn't a situation where Cody had the hold for a split second and then Elam bounced out or kicked freed. That's reaction time.
This wasn't even a waterfall situation. or a scramble situation. Cody had two ankles, Elam is on his knees with his back to Cody. Elam has to reach all the way across an outstretched wrestlers back to grab an ankle. To me that isn't what reaction time should be trying to stop.
Giving a guy that much reaction time to stalemate a clear takedown by simply grabbing an ankle doesn't make sense to me. I'm not sure why wrestling wants to make taking down someone so complicated. That should be a textbook edge of the mat TD.
This wasn't even a waterfall situation. or a scramble situation. Cody had two ankles, Elam is on his knees with his back to Cody. Elam has to reach all the way across an outstretched wrestlers back to grab an ankle. To me that isn't what reaction time should be trying to stop.
Giving a guy that much reaction time to stalemate a clear takedown by simply grabbing an ankle doesn't make sense to me. I'm not sure why wrestling wants to make taking down someone so complicated. That should be a textbook edge of the mat TD.
This isn’t a takedown? Merrill grabs first ankle at 1:49, grabs second ankle at 1:46, secures at 1:45 while Elam starts to reach back, Elam grabs Merill's ankle at 1:44. Would Elam have needed to have knees on the mat for it to be a Merrill TD?
It's harder to score because of scrambling and guys getting so good in far ankle scrambles. Let not act like it's easy guys
At 1:46 he's sitting on Merrill. At 1:45 he still hasn't put a hand down and his knees never hit and is turning back.
My opinion this wasn't even close to a takedown not sure what everyone was watching actually.
That's not a takedown ever.
That's why I shared screenshots so we can reference it. Figured it was something like not enough contact points on the mat.