Rick Barnes says it out loud. Woah.

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I think it’s been going on and I think we’ve had the issue not going to lie. Very odd things in this sport since NIL. Barnes made this comment full intentional no doubt about it. You’re not going to make this mistake as a head coach to the media with his experience. Glad it happened.

 

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it’s one of the wildest things I’ve ever heard a coach say. And really he didn’t back away from it, he just pretended to. He sort of stuck to it.


Gambling is a serious problem in this sport. Need congress to set ground rules and some investigations to take place.
 

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Not gonna lie. Have thought that about some of our players. Even more when they came down with gambling charges on the lower level schools and players recently. The bets all revolved on being down a certain amount of points at halftime. Reminds me of a team I know that happens to and then can flip the switch and play totally different in the 2nd half.
I have said since last year I believe we have one in particular who is. No proof not accusing, it’s just my belief from what I see him routinely do. Things that if you struggle with it, you struggle with it. You don’t turn it off and on. And he turns it off and on.
 

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I have said since last year I believe we have one in particular who is. No proof not accusing, it’s just my belief from what I see him routinely do. Things that if you struggle with it, you struggle with it. You don’t turn it off and on. And he turns it off and on.
These kids have more money at their age than they know what to do with. And they are immature. Put a lot of money along with immaturity, then the ease of online gambling, and voila - there are going to be thrown games.

Last week's Vandy situation really had me wondering about our own players. Yes, we've had issues that made that not a surprise, but then yesterday goes and happens, and up until Vandy, we had won 5 in a row (barely).

Teams and players can't obviously remain consistently good, but when they do things that are mind mindbogglingly out of character, repeatedly in one particular game, either they are playing with the flu, or they are purposely tweaking due to gambling.
 

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I’m sure it’s now going on WAY more than most people care to admit. There’s just so much temptation for these players everywhere they look now, and there’s no longer that same sense of loyalty to school and state that once discouraged players from doing it.

Today’s players are taught that it’s all about the money. And this is a way to make easy money. Ain’t much deterrent beyond fear of getting caught nowadays … and young athletic kids who feel invincible tend not to have that fear the same way others would.
 

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has been on my mind all season, particularly with OO’s free throws
You hit one of my main concerns with him. Straight off the front of the rim, almost aiming for it. Usually you make the second miss first. Always been that way. Suddenly, seeing a lot of first made second missed. And when he misses it just looks like he’s aiming for the front of the rim. Doesn’t seem to bounce normally, always directed at the front. If you were intentionally doing it, that’s what it would look like.

Not to mention his “balls that get away” when he’s just dribbling normally, or constant non finishes. Again no proof of anything, but his game gets very abnormal. It’s been happening since last season. Then differently when it’s a team like Oklahoma or yesterday he’s got no issues finishing at all.
 

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What exactly can Congress do about it? It's already illegal.
Congress can do a lot by just stepping in and fixing some of these problems by changing laws. Get eyes on it and players knowing congress is involved who can also get things investigated might straighten some of this out. But if nothing else as far as congress goes their presence might slow it.

And investigations into college sports and gambling are long overdue. Barns was absolutely blowing a whistle there. These coaches know it’s happening.
 
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I know for a fact that a lot of UT fans think Gillespie is betting or doing something shady. For weeks now he’s made “mistakes” late in games you just don’t see guys make more than once. That lazy pass that Chandler stole late in our game was one.
Talked to a UT buddy of mine from West, Tn where I’m from you had raised hell saying Gillispie is definitely gambling. When you watch him, it does look like it. Stupid lazy passes that are just wtf? I think it’s going on on most teams right now.
 

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I’m sure it’s now going on WAY more than most people care to admit. There’s just so much temptation for these players everywhere they look now, and there’s no longer that same sense of loyalty to school and state that once discouraged players from doing it.

Today’s players are taught that it’s all about the money. And this is a way to make easy money. Ain’t much deterrent beyond fear of getting caught nowadays … and young athletic kids who feel invincible tend not to have that fear the same way others would.
Just have a buddy bet, keep the cash, roll by when you want to go buy some sht just use cash. As long as they keep it low how can anyone know? Barnes is absolutely calling his players out for gambling here. Wish the media would start asking players about it.
 

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Once reality sets in that you will not be a professional basketball player, anything is possible.
 

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You can bet on halftime spreads as well.

We really lay down in the first half most games.

You want to be far enough behind that a hot teammate doesn’t cover the spread 🤔
 

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You hit one of my main concerns with him. Straight off the front of the rim, almost aiming for it. Usually you make the second miss first. Always been that way. Suddenly, seeing a lot of first made second missed. And when he misses it just looks like he’s aiming for the front of the rim. Doesn’t seem to bounce normally, always directed at the front. If you were intentionally doing it, that’s what it would look like.

Not to mention his “balls that get away” when he’s just dribbling normally, or constant non finishes. Again no proof of anything, but his game gets very abnormal. It’s been happening since last season. Then differently when it’s a team like Oklahoma or yesterday he’s got no issues finishing at all.
If you're accusing Ortega while you hide behind your effing computer of point shaving, then just flat out, say it. I'm sorry but that's pretty pathetic. Are you saying he should have 30 points in effing game?. seriously you have consistent Pat takes, but this one is ****** up
 

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I’m a high school teacher and I think many would be shocked at how many kids are gambling online.
I worked with a kid last year that went to Bellarmine and he was always on his app doing like 5 team parlays. He asked me if I do any betting and I chuckled and said "no, of course not. I want to be house, not the one making the bets." Of course I'm not planning on becoming a bookie so he understood that unless you're a pink unicorn (rare gambling savant) the only people making money on this is the house (FanDuel, et al). He was a smart kid (on scholarship) and a couple of weeks later he made it a point to tell me he had deleted his gambling app. He felt stupid after thinking about it. I don't have any moral stance against gambling, but the ubiquity of platforms that feed on addictive tendencies is horrifying in a world where people are becoming more and more atomized by the day (especially young men) which makes them ripe for the picking by these purveyors.
 

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Had some friends that are really into betting say there was a peculiar thing that happened with some of the betting trends immediately before our game with UL .
This makes more sense than the girlfriend story between players that was going around back then.
 

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It just seems to me that with all the $$ the high major players are making, why risk it? You can milk this gravy train for 4 years.
I don't think these morons understand how good these systems are at detecting anomalies in wagering. Not a ton of people are betting on a random UT basketball game. So if all of a sudden a ton of action comes in from a few IP addresses / accounts that don't typically bet a lot, it's easy to spot.
 

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I don't think these morons understand how good these systems are at detecting anomalies in wagering. Not a ton of people are betting on a random UT basketball game. So if all of a sudden a ton of action comes in from a few IP addresses / accounts that don't typically bet a lot, it's easy to spot.
Even if the math nerds find the anomoly, it’s still incredibly hard to prove that a particular player did it beyond a reasonable doubt.

That’s why players are just gonna continue doing it. Folks might “suspect” you did it, but they won’t ever be able to prove it in court.
 

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I think it’s been going on and I think we’ve had the issue not going to lie. Very odd things in this sport since NIL. Barnes made this comment full intentional no doubt about it. You’re not going to make this mistake as a head coach to the media with his experience. Glad it happened.


He’s not lying.
 

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Even if the math nerds find the anomoly, it’s still incredibly hard to prove that a particular player did it beyond a reasonable doubt.

That’s why players are just gonna continue doing it. Folks might “suspect” you did it, but they won’t ever be able to prove it in court.

I hope they don't get caught. Would love for it to completely ruin sports so they end up fixing it.
 

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I don't think these morons understand how good these systems are at detecting anomalies in wagering. Not a ton of people are betting on a random UT basketball game. So if all of a sudden a ton of action comes in from a few IP addresses / accounts that don't typically bet a lot, it's easy to spot.
Don’t think it’s that simple anymore.

Lots of people are betting on college basketball today. I don’t think players are doing this by themselves. They’ve got handlers and corrupt men swarming them now. The day of college coaching protecting players are over. We went down the slippery slope and mocked the idea that change is bad. Well, the AAU circuit started this mess and in American fashion, we never know today whe enough is enough and stop.

Happening right now with AI, and as soon as it destroys 10% of jobs very soon and decoration hits we won’t even realize it’s coming and should have. But again we don’t know when to stop. Like greed today, everyone just says “nothing we can do” and goes full bore.

Players aren’t listening to coaches now, they don’t care. There are probably ways they do this and unless someone squeals you can’t find it. Bet the same from the first game on and nothing abnormal will show for example. Lawyers also show loopholes and jut ruin everything. Is it even illegal for a friend to bet on his friend and then hook him up for a side job? No telling how they’re told to do this so it’s not possible to do anything unless they admit the scheme. Older generations were right on the money with so many situations it’s scary, back to why they didn’t want certain things to be allowed nationally and here we are, we never learn. Since the boomers we’ve been a “anything goes” society and these are just the results of it.
 

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You hit one of my main concerns with him. Straight off the front of the rim, almost aiming for it. Usually you make the second miss first. Always been that way. Suddenly, seeing a lot of first made second missed. And when he misses it just looks like he’s aiming for the front of the rim. Doesn’t seem to bounce normally, always directed at the front. If you were intentionally doing it, that’s what it would look like.

Not to mention his “balls that get away” when he’s just dribbling normally, or constant non finishes. Again no proof of anything, but his game gets very abnormal. It’s been happening since last season. Then differently when it’s a team like Oklahoma or yesterday he’s got no issues finishing at all.

well, one explanation for the free throws also explains his mediocre/inconsistent perimeter shot…he doesn’t put much arc on anything he shoots, and there is much less room for error when you do that.

And when you miss, it can be really ugly…like looking intentional or almost airballing/barely hitting the front of the rim.
 

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well, one explanation for the free throws also explains his mediocre/inconsistent perimeter shot…he doesn’t put much arc on anything he shoots, and there is much less room for error when you do that.

And when you miss, it can be really ugly…like looking intentional or almost airballing/barely hitting the front of the rim.
Yea I mean I can see that. If that’s all it was I probably wouldn’t even notice. Problem is, I see more questionable play. I’m sure others have seen it to. Don’t want too go too far into it. And I’m not accusing him just stating if he was it wouldn’t surprise me.
 

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If players are doing it you can certainly expect referees to be in on it too
100%. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was widespread and also wouldn’t be surprised if it’s covered up to a large degree. We’ve already seen this is pro sports, and they pretty much buried that one deeper after exposure.