We would be happy to buy an EV when there is a large SUV with 400+ hp, 400 miles range in any condition, and can fully charge in 5-10 mins. Only the first item has been achieved.
OT: Electric vehicles
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There are plenty large (7 seater), 700+ hp EV SUVs out there. The only thing missing is range in any condition.
Would be nice but realistically not all that necessary unless you are road tripping often. Don’t think I’ve needed that level of charging more than once or twice a year
That once or twice a year is part of owning a car. One option can handle it, one option can't. Until it is achieved, the two options are not competitive.
Right, so once or twice a year i need to charge for 15-20 minutes instead of your 5-10 benchmark. That was a fair trade off for me
Completely full charge in 15-20 mins with reasonable availability and locations?
Yes and yes. I’ve never completely charged in 5 years of ownership, even on road trips. 15-20 minutes will get you the 80% you need/want.
I bought my first tesla a week or so before whatever hurricane wiped out every electrician’s availability in NJ so I had it for two months without a home charger. I found New Jersey’s availability then (2021) to be perfect and it’s only multiplied. I can’t think of any drives in and out of New Jersey that don’t have charging infrastructure. And you’d be surprised by how often hotels and Airbnb’s have built in chargers.
Super charger is 20 to 25 min. I don’t have e an issue with that because it takes me that long when I go to a rest stop (bathroom/food). My problem is that most locations are not right off the highway or if you to wait for a charger.
Mountain roads? Sussex County?
Before you left, did you set a start time so the battery was conditioned?
The poster you are responding to is a pedantic dolt.
Who the f needs 400 miles of range? Let's say you are averaging 75 mph--that's 5 hours and 20 minutes of driving. If you are driving with children and/or a woman, nobody drives that far without a break. 4 hours max, typically 3 hours.
I preconditioned. The drive was up to Orange County in NY. Wasn’t going over 70 mph for 95% of the drive.
That's why we have a second vehicle, a plug in hybrid.
When we drove about 350 miles from Arizona to Vegas in December with a gasoline powered GMC Sierra, it said we had 450 miles of range. Driving 75-80 mph, that range was under 350. Some fail to realize that regardless of powertrain, driving requires power, and more speed and mountains and load requires more energy consumption. The penalty is less for gasoline engines, but we would have never made 400 miles in that Sierra.
New to this thread, so I haven't read any posts. Just put a deposit down on a Rivian R2. My brother has the R1S and loves it. Any thoughts from any Rivian owners out there? I currently have an '07 Camry hybrid (still going strong, but rust underneath from being near the beach). Was going to get another Camry, but really like the R2. And I only drive 1.1 miles to work.
What is your amperage? I add a about 150 miles in 2-2.5 hours at home, which is perfectly fine because the car is sitting idle in the garage. The amount of time and money saved not having to go to gas stations is huge.
Charger is working fine. Level 2 is supposed to be ~7 kw per hour. Just funny that the car thinks it’s going to take 3kw to go one mile. My charger is outside.
My neighbor has had one for maybe a year, year and a half and loves it. He’s a Tesla guy but had put down the deposit way back and said the deal was too good to pass up. He had something happen with the alignment early on that took a while to fix, but otherwise no issues. Great looking car. I considered one when my wife was trading in her suv but the price compared to a Model Y just didn’t make sense at the time for us.
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R2 is nice, too, but I really fell in love with the R3 minute I saw it. Old school 4WD hatch for the new world. Like a Lada Niva, but not a POS built in Russia. Lift the suspension and thing should be fun as hell all over the topo map.
I like the size of the R3, but it doesn't look like there is much cargo space in the back.
Within 20 years, electric vehicles will be the dominant vehicles on the roads of every country, except perhaps the US.
The only thing holding them back now is the time it takes to recharge them (or find a recharging stations in the U.S). The technology is advancing so rapidly that the range will be well over 500 miles and refueling time will be minutes within 10 years. In many parts of the world, electrics are already cheaper, cleaner, and far easier to maintain.
If our car countries do not get on board, they will lose their place as world leaders, and our economy will suffer the consequences.
The only thing holding them back now is the time it takes to recharge them (or find a recharging stations in the U.S). The technology is advancing so rapidly that the range will be well over 500 miles and refueling time will be minutes within 10 years. In many parts of the world, electrics are already cheaper, cleaner, and far easier to maintain.
If our car countries do not get on board, they will lose their place as world leaders, and our economy will suffer the consequences.
I just did a deep dive. The new GMC EV trucks with the Max Range batteries have 478 miles of range (probably closer to 400 in real world conditions). It supports 800-volt DC fast charging- allowing a user to add up to approximately 120 miles of range in about 10 minutes on compatibly fast chargers.
Newer battery technologies on the horizon in the next 3 years will only improve upon this.
EV need range w/o just adding a bigger battery pack. GMC’s battery pack is 205kw with a total curb weight of 9k lbs. That’s double the size of my SR Lighting. Is that technology or just packing on more of the same technology.
Did a quick Grok search- is this correct?:
The curb weight for the 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning Lariat with the standard-range battery (98 kWh usable, EPA-estimated 230-mile range) is approximately 6,015 to 6,200 pounds, depending on exact configuration and options.
The curb weight of the 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning Lariat with Extended Range battery (the 131 kWh usable battery pack, providing an EPA-estimated 320 miles of range) is approximately 6,794 pounds.
The curb weight for the 2026 GMC Sierra EV Denali Max Range is 8,867 pounds, according to specifications from Kelley Blue Book and dealer listings (such as yesmaxon.com).
For comparison, lower-range Sierra EV trims (e.g., Standard or Extended Range) are lighter, around 7,573–8,157 lb.
Comparing to gasoline engines:
- For a typical Lariat SuperCrew 4WD (most common), curb weights generally range from about 5,000–5,300 lbs depending on engine and setup.
- With the 5.0L V8: Examples include ~5,122 lbs (for SuperCrew 6.5' box 4WD per J.D. Power specs)
Yes, that's a lot of weight. The GMC Sierra Max Range batteries have less (or maybe no) cobalt, but are not lighter.
Technology will advance, but if the move to kill EVs continues, it may not. As with all things technology, improvements happen over time. I remember about 15 years ago at a chipmaking seminar that a speaker say an iPod (remember those?) 20 year prior to that date (35 years ago) with existing chip technology would have been the size of a large conference room.
Here's what Grok says:
Next-generation battery technologies, such as solid-state and silicon-anode designs, are projected to achieve significantly higher energy densities (typically 350-500 Wh/kg or more at the cell level) compared to current lithium-ion batteries (around 150-300 Wh/kg, depending on chemistry like LFP or NMC).
insideevs.com +5
This increase in energy density means that for equivalent or longer driving ranges (requiring a given kWh capacity), battery packs can be smaller and lighter, directly reducing the overall curb weight of electric vehicles.
californiapolicycenter.org +3
For context, current long-range EVs often use packs with densities around 150-200 Wh/kg at the pack level, resulting in batteries weighing 1,000-1,500 pounds for 300-400 miles of range.
californiapolicycenter.org +1
Announcements from companies like Toyota, Amprius, and others indicate that by 2027-2030, solid-state batteries could deliver similar ranges with packs weighing roughly half as much, or extend ranges to 600-700 miles with comparable weights.
timharper.net +2
However, real-world adoption depends on scaling production, cost reductions, and overcoming challenges like manufacturing complexity.
large-battery.com +2
Alternatives like sodium-ion may not reduce weight as dramatically (120-190 Wh/kg), but they prioritize cost over density.
timharper.net +1
In summary, yes—based on current advancements and projections, next-generation batteries enabling long ranges are expected to contribute to lower vehicle curb weights compared to today's equivalents.
I just keep wondering where is the infrastructure and generating capacity gonna come from between millions upon millions of electric cars and the demands of AI consumption of copious amounts of energy.
A little misleading saying “dead of winter” as it’s been sunny and unseasonably warm the last few days, but California has shown you can get there with solar.
I didn't say anything about "dead of winter" So im not misleading anything.
Its a fact we do not have the generating capacity nor infrastructure to support expected consumption occurring over the next 20 years.
Solar is not and will not be the answer.
The cleanest is Nuclear. Coal, NG and Oil which as a nation we have an abundance of are clearly the answer.
We burn cleaner and more efficient than any Country in the world, so until the world catches up to us, we can then start talking about alternate energy sources.
, the dead of winter comment was the first sentence of the article I linked. I agree on nuclear, that would be the answer if it were easier/faster to implement.
So the laughing emoji, is that you believe Solar and Wind are the future of energy for this Nation and the world?
If so I believe you should tell that to the Chinese who are building Coal Electrical plants as fast as they can make them.
Communist China, needs to meet the ever increasing demands of electricity necessary to supply Computer chip manufacturing and the energy required for AI consumption.
They are trying to corner the World market to be the leader world wide.
If Solar is the answer for energy why are the Communists in China using Coal?
They would purposely fall behind the US by using inferior electrical generating plants and allow the US to corner the market on Energy supply with Solar?
Solid state is not new technology. I hope they can figure it out but not optimistic
Was there a reason you went for SR instead of ER. For me, had to have ER, and I have no regrets. I also have no desire to move to a GMC with Max Range. Will sit tight for at least a few more years, if not longer, as my F150 meets all my needs and I have no issues at all with range or recharging.
You’re having a rough time here. I said none of the above. I posted a link where the writer said “it’s the dead of winter” and said his quote was misleading. You thought I was talking about you, I wasn’t, I was laughing at that. Take a breath, it’s gonna be ok
The term "solid state" might not be new, but the "figuring it out" is what makes it new technology.
I'm more optimistic. Semi solid states already on roads in China for two years now. SS tech also on the market for years in other applications.
Just got a recall notice for something-some pawl not latching and the truck rolling away, but they can't fix it because it the software is not ready. Gosh I miss cables and latches and levers.
I have a new Tesla Model Y Long Range AWD. I drive about 5K miles a year and have a L2 Emporia charger on a 50 Amp breaker. I use the Tesla Charging Adapter and set the charge rate at 32 amps. I have it scheduled to charge between 12:15 am and 6 am when I plug it in. Normally I need to plug in every 7 to 9 days. I plug in when my range falls below 25% and I set the car to charge to a range of 65 or 75% (75% in the Winter). I have reduced time-of-use rates from ConEd. The off-peak rate last billing cycle was 13.063 cents per kWh. I have been averaging 3.24 miles per kWh. So how many miles can I drive at the current cost of a gallon of gas? Lots more than an ICE vehicle.
There are about 2 dozen Tesla Superchargers nearby but I have no need to use them since I charge at home while sleeping. There are millions of people like me that can charge overnight at their single family homes that aren't driving 300 miles every day.