“Touch $$$ on 3”

[kyjeff1]

Let sit our 20ppg scorer on a team who can’t score. Great idea !

Unbelievable. Anyone that thinks Noah, Chandler and/or JJ are better than OO, never played sports in their lives.
It would be different if you could pull Oweh out and put all 3 of those guys in his place, but I think it's against the rules to play 7 on 5.

 

[darkshadesofblue]

At first by the title I thought this was a game. Whoever touches the pile gets all the cash

 

[kyjeff1]

Lulz, efficiency is kind of key. I am also using many other stats.

Let me give you an example of what efficiency means.

Oweh plays 32 minutes and scores 20 points on 9-20 shooting, but gets 5 rebs, 2 steels and 3 assts.

Noah plays 10 minutes and goes 2-3, zero rebounds and no assists.

Your metric shows Noah is the better player. Do you understand now? Noah is not the best player, he didn't even get involved in the action, but for his shooting alone, he’s more efficient.

The problem is, Noah isn’t capable of carrying a team, he’s not able to guard anybody, he doesn't make anyone around him better and he is incapable of carrying a team on his back. Not only is Oweh capable of those things, he's actually done them over and over.

Why would Jasoer take Oweh's minutes? Lol, they don't even play similar positions. You're spiraling, dude. Lulz.

Jesus man, YOU'RE THE ONE THAT FREAKING SAID POPE SHOULD PULL OWEH AND GIVE SOME OF HIS MINUTES TO JJ, NOAH AND CC. WTF?

Anyone could do better than Oweh. Brick, turnover, score. Brick, turnover, score. Every few positions he gets fouled and typically goes 1 for 2. Yawn. It's not hard if you just jack up shots.

Except, they can’t. Nobody on this team can consistently carry the team to a win, Oweh has done it many times, DA did it once, but he single handedly pissed the unc and Missouri games away, but you don't say anything about that. No, you just have a hard on for Oweh.

I honestly think you're giving defenses too much credit. They don't actually play Oweh that hard away from the rim because he can't dribble or shoot. Lulz.

You continue to show you don't know a damn thing about basketball.

 

[Bigtyrone]

Amen.

And I am going to add : (runt's rant #12,759 and counting...)

This mentality is indicative of the utter lack of pride, heart, passion, soul, and conscience that this team plays with.

The LSU and UT victories were sheer luck, after actually giving a damn and starting to play like they half assed knew basketball, actually had any real "talent" (and was coached how to play it) AND hey, they absolutely get credit for coming back far enough to even have a chance to lead in the games ( all of what, 89 seconds over the two games ?!? lol) to put themselves in the position for a miracle finish to win the game. Can you imagine had they went on to lose only those two games by 17, 18 points each, what the situation would be right now? I shudder to think.

Barnies head will have rolled already. Pope's too. I dunno what happens to the players, but nobody that has started a game will ever step foot on the court again, and we will finish the season with the walkons, because they have at least some pride to give a damn and give everything they can to hang tough.... jeezuz ... I dunno ...

Then they came home played lackluster and pitifully painful to watch, eeking out a couple narrow wins INSIDE RUPP.

Strut and puff yer chest now, young men " Show me the money !!!"

Then it's back to the road to coast to get that $$$ .... and get beaten and embarrassed by 25.

NO PRIDE, NO HEART, NO GUTS, JUST A PATHETIC EXCUSE FOR A TEAM.

I have been a UK faithful fan for 50+ years. Was here during the probation years and ALL of the changes great and small since the mid 70's. The worst team I thought I would ever see play was the 1989-90 team.

Then CCC came along and gave us the 2020 - 2021 (covid year) and everyone thought it was an aberration and blamed COVID. I didn't I went off on CCC at that point, and the next 5 years proved I was absoutely 100% correct that his *** should have been gone THEN. But no, everyone wanted to give him a raise and extension so the asshat could collective **** on the program so he could put us basketball bennies down and leave town in the night like a thief....

This team only trails those two teams, it just passed the 2012-2013 CCC disaster we once called "our team" in my estimation .... And doncha' just remember what CCC promised after THAT season ? remember it, remember it ..... ahhhh, please do remember it. What an egotistical, rigid, self absorbed jerkoff CCC the human being is. Never honor him by putting his name in the rafters, at least until I ( and he) is dead. He does not deserve it for how he left. PERIOD.

Now you got a 7 loss (and mounting) team of primadonnas with little real talent and no heart, soul, or pride WHATSOEVER - for themselves or the university out there dippin' out of town after town after getting thier asses handed to them, all the while celebrating getting that $$$.

enjoy your payday, you losers.

And that goes for a man that I respect and think so very highly of, Coach Mark Pope.

At this point, I expect you to follow suit with your players ( thier behavior and actions are indicative of how and what values they are being taught, from thier families to you, coach), celebrate getting a paycheck and that all important severance package for a buyout money, instead of doing an honorable and possibly the only thing that could salvage my opinion of him, which would be to announce him leaving the program at the end of the year (or immediately, even would be better) and saying " No I love Kentucky, keep the money, I'm alright. I failed and would give back last year's salary as well, if anyone would think it would help the University to move on from my abysmal failure..... I am utterly and abjectly sorry and I apologize to BBN that I could not rise to overcome the myriad challenges and difficulties of this job. I was thrust into the most difficult situation imaginable, and I tried my best, I really did."

And at least I could accept that.


If you are watching this video, you have to be outraged if you care at all about integrity and pride or honor in ANYTHING remotely concerned with the University of Kentucky at this point. If you don't, then you are helping condone this kind of mentailty and teaching exactly the WRONG lesson in the worst way possible.

Think about it.

I would so much rather have it return to the days where a handshake and a hundred dollar bill would be exchanged after a game than what this era of NIL (the era of ME) giving "the entitled generation" that this has become, into a "sport" where 17 and 18 year old children are running the show into the proverbial *********. COLLECTIVELY.

The inmates HAVE FINALLY TAKEN OVER the asylum. And the NCAA is now totally limp and impotent in the face of the onslaught of the monster that has been created. By themslves and thier own actions, to the greed of the players, to the greed of the networks (ahem - ESPN, I am looking at you) and a total lack of integrity and pride and honoring the sport that used to be.

College athletics is dead. It's all varying degrees of a "profession" now. If you can call it that.

I'll come to this board, where I have been for so very long, to follow our team and chat and watch it with my popcorn at my side. It's going to be really interesting now..... But as far as actually watching any games, or paying any real attention to actual games outcome, I have gotten over caring for that. As a fan, I'll pay it lip service, but UK hoops is now officially *dead* in the mind and ehart of so many BBN, it is a pathetic statement to have to say, but BBN has slowly been spirally downward, for a long time, even during CCC"s best years, he lost a lot of BBN support permanently even back then.....

All I want to see is how this drama turns out now. It's must see internet from the best seat in the house to see this happen from :

From The Rafters, my brothers and sisters .... right here.

So long as they keep this a free message board and don't also sell out, thus, ending our long friendships here and ending the last true place where us crazy RAFTARDS (and proud of it, by Gawd) have lived for so long.

I was here from the beginning, although I only lurked for years before joining "officially" making my first post. I was here long before that, as many of you have been as well.

I salute you, my friends. Long may we be able to remain here and have the freedom to express ourselves, no matter the insane opinions of myself and many others, for all of BBN has a place here, if you truly ask me.

And if you were to ask me about where is the heart and soul of kentucky basketball? Who is it with ? .... I would say :

WE are the heart and soul of Kentucky basketball ...

Not the players, coaches, AD's, or administrations over all these years ...

It's THE FANS, US, that make BBN, it's not the other way around. It's always been that way.

That's why eventually, Kentucky will return to the top ... someday. Because BBN will not allow itself to die and become irrelevant (ahem - like IU) Those of us that truly love something as genuinely and sincerely as WE DO, will never allow Kentucky basketball to die, we love it TOO DAMN MUCH NOT TO.

Nobody moves the needle. WE ARE THE NEEDLE.

And we will be back. Much to the haters' chagrin. (although it sure appears much much later than sooner, unfortunately)

Lots of work to do around here.

Starts at the top this time :
AD
and on down from there.

So buckle up and buckle down folks, the rough times are back in spades this time, and we know who to blame ...

HINT : it sure isn't the fans and it isn't the coaches fault for trying to accomplish something when he was clearly chucked in the deep end in way over his head. CMP lived the dream as a player, and now, the nightmare of being a failed coach here. I love him and will always wish him well.

Speaking of which, it occurs to me, he will most certainly be given another year by the current people in charge of shenanigans at UK, and I think next year we will see such a disastrous season and outcome that might possibly be the worst season in the history of Kentucky basketball for BBN fans to endure - for all time. If this season doesn't turn out to be it.

Runt's rant - OFF

Peace and harmony, BBN, Love you all. Let them know and hear your grief, despair and outrage at the top. Make it so loud they cannot NOT take action. Those that are deserving of it, I say let them have it full tilt.

 

[Anony Moose]

Let me givevyou an example of what efficiency means.

Oweh plays 32 minutes and scores 20 points on 9-20 shooting, but gets 5 rebs, 2 steels and 3 assts.

Noah plays 10 minutes and goes 2-3, zero rebounds and no assists.

Your metric shows Noah is the better player. Do you understand now? Noah is not the best player, he didn't even get involved in the action, but for his shooting alone, he’s more efficient.

The problem is, Noah isn’t capable of carrying a team, he’s not able to guard anybody, he doesn't make anyone around him better and he is incapable of carrying a team on his back. Not only is Oweh capable if those things, he's actually done them over and over.

Jesus man, YOU'RE THE ONE THAT FREAKING SAID POPE SHOULD PULL OWEH AND GIVE SOME OF HIS MINUTES TO JJ, NOAH AND CC. WTF?

Except, they can’t. Nobody on this team can consistently carry the team to a win, Oweh has done it many times, DA did it once, but he single handedly pissed the unc and Missouri games away, but you don't say anything about that. No, you just have a hard on for Oweh.

You continue to show you don't know a damn thing about basketball.

Your example actually proves the opposite of what you think it does, because you’re setting up a false choice between efficiency and usage, then pretending only one can matter.

No legitimate metric would say Noah is the “better player” based on 2-for-3 in 10 minutes, and nobody arguing efficiency is claiming that. That’s a straw man. The point of efficiency metrics is not to crown low-usage role players as stars — it’s to show how much value a player creates per opportunity, independent of minutes.

Oweh’s 20 points on 20 shots in 32 minutes is exactly the concern. That’s league-average or worse efficiency at high volume, and volume does not magically become value just because it’s hard. Taking more difficult shots and missing them still costs possessions. Usage is not a virtue by itself.

You say Noah “isn’t capable” of carrying a team, but that’s irrelevant to the efficiency discussion. The question isn’t who can take the most shots, it’s who converts possessions into points most effectively. A player who needs 20 shots to get 20 points is objectively less efficient than one who gets points without wasting possessions, even if the second player plays a smaller role.

Also, you’re ignoring diminishing returns. High-usage players don’t get bonus points just for trying more. If Oweh’s role actively lowers team efficiency because of shot selection or conversion rate, that matters — especially if teammates are being iced out while a lower-usage player is producing more per touch.

So no, efficiency metrics are not saying Noah is “better.” They’re saying Oweh’s scoring comes at a significant opportunity cost, and that matters when evaluating impact. If Oweh were truly an elite offensive engine, his efficiency would hold despite volume. That’s the standard stars are held to.

You can value Oweh’s role without pretending inefficiency disappears once someone takes more shots.

Now you're drifting into vibes and anecdotes

You’re still arguing narratives instead of evidence.

“Carrying a team to a win” is not a repeatable metric, It’s a retrospective story we tell after the fact. If Oweh truly “carried the team many times,” that should show up consistently in efficiency, on/off numbers, and lineup impact. It doesn’t. What shows up instead is high usage with volatile results: some nights it works, plenty of nights it actively hurts.

Pointing to UNC or Missouri doesn’t rescue the argument. Those games actually underline the problem: one player taking on too much offensive burden is exactly how teams lose winnable games. If a player can both “carry” games and “piss them away,” that’s not evidence of greatness. It’s evidence of inconsistency and poor shot economy.

And this isn’t about DA vs. Oweh, or personal bias. It’s about the same standard applying to everyone. If DA gets criticism for inefficient high-usage nights, Oweh gets the same scrutiny. Volume doesn’t grant immunity from analysis.

You keep saying “nobody else can do it,” but that’s a false premise. Teams win by spreading creation and maximizing efficiency, not by appointing a designated hero. When Oweh dominates the ball and shoots at mediocre efficiency, the offense stalls and that shows up in the numbers whether you like it or not.

This isn’t an anti-Oweh argument. It’s a pro-basketball argument:

Shot volume ≠ value
Anecdotes ≠ impact
“He did it before” ≠ “he should always do it”

If the best defense of a player is “someone has to take the shots,” that’s not praise, it’s an indictment of the offense.

“Carrying a team” is just what we call high usage when it actually works.

If Oweh can “carry games” and routinely shoot teams out of others, that’s not proof of greatness ...that’s proof of volatility. Stars don’t get a pass for inefficiency just because nobody else is taking shots. Wasting possessions still counts, even if the shots are “hard.”

And stop with the hero mythology. If the only way the offense functions is one guy forcing 20+ shots at average efficiency, that’s not carrying, that’s capping the ceiling.Real impact shows up every night in efficiency, lineup data, and team offense, not in selective memory of a few wins.

This isn’t a “hard on for Oweh.” It’s just refusing to confuse shot attemptswith value.. If your argument boils down to “someone has to miss them,” you’ve already lost.

High usage isn't carrying. It's just permission to miss more shots.

Can you reference this post where I claimed JJ should take Oweh's minutes?

 

[kyjeff1]

Not really interested in the whole Oweh thing but I did want to point out something.

Offensive efficiency numbers are usually tied into other things like shot %, possession % etc.

So you may see on say Kenpom guys having better offensive numbers than Oweh, that doesn't necessarily mean tho that if they took the same volume of shots that Oweh takes that their rating wouldn't go down (it's likely it would). Conversely if Oweh reduced his to the same number as others, his offensive rating would more than likely go up.

In other words, you can't just say Player 1 has X rating and Player 2 has Y rating and since X > Y, player 1 is better.

I think a large part of Oweh's issue is that he is the one that is being counted on to take the bulk of the shots. He has to be "the guy" because there's no one else. He always struck me as a guy that is just trying to do way to much. But given circumstances he kind of has to.

Looking at the team page you know who the two players on this team in the "major contributers" section?
Oweh and
LOWE LOL.

Lowe is gone. It's only Oweh now.

Compare that to say Arizona who has ZERO major contributors but FIVE significant.
Michigan ZERO major/ FOUR significant

Basically as Oweh goes, our offense goes.

Exactly, this is exactly what I've tried to explain 20 different ways. The bottom line is, we have nobody else that can do what Oweh can. He can carry the team while getting everyone's best defenders on him.
He's not going to be more efficient than a guy that comes in for 4 minutes and goes 2-4.
You put Oweh on the bench and give his minutes to anyone not named DA, or Kam Williams, we will get cooked by every team in the SEC.
It’s weird that this has to be explained once, let alone a hundred times.

 

[Mossip]

Will somebody just tell the anony “lulz” guy he’s right so he’ll stfu!?!

 

[kyjeff1]

1) Noah was 1-5, 3 points, no rebounds, no assists in 19 minutes. That's a walk ons statline.

How does a player even play 19 minutes with a stat line like this? We know he doesn’t play a lick of defense so what else did he do but take up space? He still can’t shoot for supposed Sharp shooter.

And we have a dude in here that thinks Noah should take some of Oweh's minutes and Chandler should get some too. Neither guy can guard a chair and neither can do what Oweh can, not even close.

 

[UKortho]

Not really interested in the whole Oweh thing but I did want to point out something.

Offensive efficiency numbers are usually tied into other things like shot %, possession % etc.

So you may see on say Kenpom guys having better offensive numbers than Oweh, that doesn't necessarily mean tho that if they took the same volume of shots that Oweh takes that their rating wouldn't go down (it's likely it would). Conversely if Oweh reduced his to the same number as others, his offensive rating would more than likely go up.

In other words, you can't just say Player 1 has X rating and Player 2 has Y rating and since X > Y, player 1 is better.

I think a large part of Oweh's issue is that he is the one that is being counted on to take the bulk of the shots. He has to be "the guy" because there's no one else. He always struck me as a guy that is just trying to do way to much. But given circumstances he kind of has to.

Looking at the team page you know who the two players on this team in the "major contributers" section?
Oweh and
LOWE LOL.

Lowe is gone. It's only Oweh now.

Compare that to say Arizona who has ZERO major contributors but FIVE significant.
Michigan ZERO major/ FOUR significant

Basically as Oweh goes, our offense goes.

Yes. Those stats can be very deceptive.

 

[*Fox2Monk*]

And we have a dude in here that thinks Noah should take some of Oweh's minutes and Chandler should get some too. Neither guy can guard a chair and neither can do what Oweh can, not even close.

Without him, we’ve won five games.

 

[AllBall]

Apparently, this is slang for good shooting and getting in a rhythm for making baskets.

Take it for what it's worth. Idk but and idiotic way to break a huddle regardless.
What happened to hardwork, hustle, win, or even busta nut.

 

[sefus12]

No touching of money if they lose by over 20. That would be a good start.

This team really makes me miss Carr and Butler.

Don’t forget Williams. Damn, last year’s team was so likable. The exact opposite of this one.

 

[The_Answer1313_rivals]

The bigger issue IMO isn't Oweh. It's the fact that we went into the year relying on Oweh to be something he really isn't.

And I do this as well. I kill him everytime he drives into the lane and carelessly turns the ball over. But if not him, then who? Who is doing anything on offense on a consistent basis here?

This is the main difference between last season and this one. Last year Oweh was a big contributor still, but he wasn't the only one. You had other guys that could be reliable on offense. You knew guys like Butler, Brea,, Robinson, Williams etc etc could be counted on to contribute.

There's some guys on this team that are capable of having good offensive games but you can hardly rely on any of them.

I dunno if it's because we believe that Oweh was this SEC player of the year guy he was being touted as or what. UK never should have been in this position. And frankly even with a healthy Lowe and/or JQ same thing. Lowe can't shoot. JQ is more a defensive guy than anything. The offense would have still struggled. And it blows my mind that Pope didn't see this coming into the season TBH. Or maybe he just thought we'd dominate on defense we could be just meh on offense and that would suffice. Eitherway, it did not work.

 

[kyjeff1]

The bigger issue IMO isn't Oweh. It's the fact that we went into the year relying on Oweh to be something he really isn't.

And I do this as well. I kill him everytime he drives into the lane and carelessly turns the ball over. But if not him, then who? Who is doing anything on offense on a consistent basis here?

This is the main difference between last season and this one. Last year Oweh was a big contributor still, but he wasn't the only one. You had other guys that could be reliable on offense. You knew guys like Butler, Brea,, Robinson, Williams etc etc could be counted on to contribute.

There's some guys on this team that are capable of having good offensive games but you can hardly rely on any of them.

I dunno if it's because we believe that Oweh was this SEC player of the year guy he was being touted as or what. UK never should have been in this position. And frankly even with a healthy Lowe and/or JQ same thing. Lowe can't shoot. JQ is more a defensive guy than anything. The offense would have still struggled. And it blows my mind that Pope didn't see this coming into the season TBH. Or maybe he just thought we'd dominate on defense we could be just meh on offense and that would suffice. Eitherway, it did not work.

There are 3 guys on this team that have to play as many minutes as possible. Nobody else on this team can do what they can do. Aberdeen, Moreno and Oweh.
Anyone that thinks the best thing to do, is reduce their minutes and give them to any of the guys behind them, can’t be taken seriously.

 

[JustBlue]

Yeah, the mini outrage over that is misplaced.

 

[dynastydreamuk]

the same people that thought that had to do with money are the same ones that will think every A.I. video is real

 

[Shaudylo]

Well the money wasn’t touched that night

 

[coalBucket]

Seemed to work.

 

[JustBlue]

the same people that thought that had to do with money are the same ones that will think every A.I. video is real

Lol yes.

"Break on 3! 1-2-3 Break!"

Team isn't listening in timeouts. Talking about breaking stuff and not running the play.

 

[Damage_inc]

Who cares what they say when they break it out? I just don’t want them to suck

 

[CRZ4UK]

Lol yes.

"Break on 3! 1-2-3 Break!"

Team isn't listening in timeouts. Talking about breaking stuff and not running the play.

I pointed that out to my wife. Pope called a timeout and was drawing a play up on his dry erase board. Oweh was looking up watching the big video screen. Not even watching a drawn up play to end the half.
I feel sorry for Pope because I don’t think it’s his fault. When kids are that checked out and don’t care what play were running , they are uncoachable.
There isn’t much that could cause players to check out that bad. You gotta be immature as all get out.

 

[UKGrad24]

Yeah, the mini outrage over that is misplaced.

Always an excuse, yet, the Bennies always seem to see what they see and they’re right.

Touch money might be the lamest most tone def cringe nonsense I’ve ever heard. I don’t care what it means, the need to sthu.

This team is a walking billboard of exactly what not to do. Oweh can’t get out of here fast enough.

 

[Jtf2217]

Well they definitely didn't get in that shooting rhythm did they?
How about instead of standing around cutting up and trying to get awake from our nap time we lock in and get right before the game. Unread a few weeks ago where most of the team prefers a nap before game time?!?! What?!?

 

[Ukwazoo3]

Well they definitely didn't get in that shooting rhythm did they?
How about instead of standing around cutting up and trying to get awake from our nap time we lock in and get right before the game. Unread a few weeks ago where most of the team prefers a nap before game time?!?! What?!?

Naps are fine, depending on the person. But I do not think they're fine for our team. Do the opposite of whatever they've been doing.

 

[Anony Moose]

Not really interested in the whole Oweh thing but I did want to point out something.

Offensive efficiency numbers are usually tied into other things like shot %, possession % etc.

So you may see on say Kenpom guys having better offensive numbers than Oweh, that doesn't necessarily mean tho that if they took the same volume of shots that Oweh takes that their rating wouldn't go down (it's likely it would). Conversely if Oweh reduced his to the same number as others, his offensive rating would more than likely go up.

In other words, you can't just say Player 1 has X rating and Player 2 has Y rating and since X > Y, player 1 is better.

I think a large part of Oweh's issue is that he is the one that is being counted on to take the bulk of the shots. He has to be "the guy" because there's no one else. He always struck me as a guy that is just trying to do way to much. But given circumstances he kind of has to.

Looking at the team page you know who the two players on this team in the "major contributers" section?
Oweh and
LOWE LOL.

Lowe is gone. It's only Oweh now.

Compare that to say Arizona who has ZERO major contributors but FIVE significant.
Michigan ZERO major/ FOUR significant

Basically as Oweh goes, our offense goes.

I actually agree with about 80% of what you just said, but that’s exactly why the final conclusion doesn’t hold.

You’re right that offensive efficiency is tied to usage, shot quality, and possessions. You’re also right that if other players took Oweh’s volume, their efficiency would likely drop, and if Oweh reduced his volume, his efficiency would rise. That’s literally why analysts adjust for usage instead of hand-waving it away.

Where the argument breaks is here:
"He has to be the guy, therefore his inefficiency is inevitable and acceptable.” That’s not an analytical conclusion, that’s a roster explanation.

If “as Oweh goes, our offense goes,” that’s not evidence of value; it’s evidence of fragility. One-player dependency is a weakness, not a virtue. Teams with sustainable offenses look like Arizona and Michigan precisely because no single player dominates usage to the point that the offense rises and falls with his shot diet.

And the KenPom contributor tiers actually reinforce the concern. If Oweh is the only major contributor left, that doesn’t mean he should take even more marginal shots, it means the offense needs to change, not double down on the least efficient option available.

High usage doesn’t automatically justify shot volume; it raises the standard. If Oweh were truly an elite offensive engine, his efficiency would remain strong relative to other high-usage players, not just improve in a hypothetical where he shoots less. “His numbers would be better if he took fewer shots” is true for literally every player in basketball.

So yes, context matters. But context doesn’t erase opportunity cost. When a player dominates possessions at average efficiency, the issue isn’t that the model is wrong; it’s that the offense is capped.

 

[Anony Moose]

@*Fox2Monk* @kyjeff1

You all are literally advocating for repeating the same behavior over and over, while expecting different results.

That's also called insanity.

Yet, both of you openly admit we suck and aren't likely to win.

Are you not seeing the flawed logic yet?

 

[PastorofMuppets82]

Somebody call Pope and tell him to bench Oweh tomorrow because he's inefficient and start Noah in his place and he's gonna guard Acuff. I'm sure that would end well...

Yet someone on this board thinks that is the answer to our problems...

P.S. I don't want Noah anywhere near Oweh's minutes, he's almost as bad as Travis Perry was and equally can't guard a traffic cone in SEC play.

 

[kyjeff1]

@*Fox2Monk* @kyjeff1

You all are literally advocating for repeating the same behavior over and over, while expecting different results.

That's also called insanity.

Yet, both of you openly admit we suck and aren't likely to win.

Are you not seeing the flawed logic yet?

How many people need to tell you how stupid you are?
This team has 3 players that are producing more than anyone else can. You have no argument. There is nobody behind Oweh that, at their best, can do even half of what Oweh can do.
Oweh, Moreno and Aberdeen are the only guys we have that can carry the team and Oweh is the best at doing just that.
You are advocating to sit the best player we have and give his minutes to guys that do nothing but play losing basketball.
None of us, not one single guy on this forum, likes Oweh's body language, but out of all of us, there is only one guy that doesn't understand the situation. Pope literally has nobody that can do what Oweh can.
You think Noah, Chandler and Johnson should take Oweh's minutes, which tells me you are ignoring the fact that Noah is a walk on, Jasper is a street baller that is unplayable and Chandler is nothing more than a complimentary player.
None of those 3 guys can carry the team and none of them can guard their position in this league. Only a moron can’t see these things.

 

[kyjeff1]

Somebody call Pope and tell him to bench Oweh tomorrow because he's inefficient and start Noah in his place and he's gonna guard Acuff. I'm sure that would end well...

Yet someone on this board thinks that is the answer to our problems...

P.S. I don't want Noah anywhere near Oweh's minutes, he's almost as bad as Travis Perry was and equally can't guard a traffic cone in SEC play.

Could you imagine how badly Acuff and Thomas would cook Noah, Chandler and Jasper? Heck, Wagner would be doing layup drills.

 

[Artlaibesghost]

Somebody call Pope and tell him to bench Oweh tomorrow because he's inefficient and start Noah in his place and he's gonna guard Acuff. I'm sure that would end well...

Yet someone on this board thinks that is the answer to our problems...

P.S. I don't want Noah anywhere near Oweh's minutes, he's almost as bad as Travis Perry was and equally can't guard a traffic cone in SEC play.

UK fans always pick a player to scapegoat when things aren't going well. This year for some bizarre reason it is Oweh. He is a VERY GOOD complimentary piece but will never be THE GUY. Pope is trying to play him like one and because he lacks the skills to do so he and SOME fans are frustrated. He is not the reason for the dysfunctional disjointed mess we see on the court. We simply AREN'T ANY GOOD.

 

[Anony Moose]

How many people need to tell you how stupid you are?
This team has 3 players that are producing more than anyone else can. You have no argument. There is nobody behind Oweh that, at their best, can do even half of what Oweh can do.
Oweh, Moreno and Aberdeen are the only guys we have that can carry the team and Oweh is the best at doing just that.
You are advocating to sit the best player we have and give his minutes to guys that do nothing but play losing basketball.
None of us, not one single guy on this forum, likes Oweh's body language, but out of all of us, there is only one guy that doesn't understand the situation. Pope literally has nobody that can do what Oweh can.
You think Noah, Chandler and Johnson should take Oweh's minutes, which tells me you are ignoring the fact that Noah is a walk on, Jasper is a street baller that is unplayable and Chandler is nothing more than a complimentary player.
None of those 3 guys can carry the team and none of them can guard their position in this league. Only a moron can’t see these things.

You’ve officially stopped responding to what I’m saying and started arguing with a version of me you made up.

I never once argued to “sit Oweh,” give his minutes to walk-ons, or pretend Noah, Chandler, or Johnson are secretly stars. That’s a straw man you keep dragging out because it’s easier than engaging with the actual point.

Here is the point:

Being the best option on a thin roster does not automatically mean a player is providing optimal value on every possession. Those are different questions. You’re answering “who else do we have?” I’m answering how should possessions be allocated?

Saying “there’s nobody behind Oweh” is not analysis, it’s an indictment of roster construction. And no serious basketball mind hears “the offense rises and falls with one player” and thinks that’s a strength. That’s a limitation.

You keep using “carry the team” like it’s a measurable skill. It isn’t. What is measurable is shot efficiency, decision-making, and lineup impact. If Oweh truly separated himself as an elite offensive engine, this wouldn’t even be a debate... the numbers would be overwhelming. They aren’t.

Also, nobody is impressed by calling everyone else stupid. That’s what people do when they’ve run out of basketball points. If your entire argument boils down to:

“Everyone agrees with me”
"The coach has no choice”
“Anyone who disagrees is a moron”

…then you’re not making a case. You’re venting.

That does not mean efficiency stops mattering.
And it definitely doesn’t mean questioning usage equals ignorance.

You can like a player and still analyze him honestly. That’s the difference here.

Lastly, if you're resigned to the fact the most likely scenario is a loss even with Oweh, why not try something different instead or repeating the same behavior you expect to result in a loss? Like, do you want to be insane?

 

[UKGrad24]

Could you imagine how badly Acuff and Thomas would cook Noah, Chandler and Jasper? Heck, Wagner would be doing layup drills.

Wouldn’t be pretty, don’t know how much better it’ll be with him though.

Oweh is definitely needed, in the traditional sense. My issue is, he’s vastly overrated, and I believe has absolutely destroyed this team. There was a lot that went on early with Oweh from the second Aberdeen was brought in and rumor is, paid slightly more. He definitely wasnt paid less. Oweh was going to be destructive that second on and was.

Oweh is needed, he just isnt enough, and I worry about some other things with him also, I’m not alone there. I would have been forced to run him out of here and take the L’s. More could be explained but I can’t throw it all around. Maybe privately.

 

[Anony Moose]

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[Anony Moose]

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[PastorofMuppets82]

UK fans always pick a player to scapegoat when things aren't going well. This year for some bizarre reason it is Oweh. He is a VERY GOOD complimentary piece but will never be THE GUY. Pope is trying to play him like one and because he lacks the skills to do so he and SOME fans are frustrated. He is not the reason for the dysfunctional disjointed mess we see on the court. We simply AREN'T ANY GOOD.

Oweh can't be the player he was last year, he doesn't have the right fit pieces around him. It's exceptionally frustrating for fans, but that doesn't make it any less true. Moreno is good, but not great with the ball out top. Garrison should never run 5 out, and neither of them is a go to post scorer. The team struggled to run the 5 out so the staff scrapped it and went basic with some zoom, but a lot of screen and roll, back screens, and screen the screener. That offense, unfortunately, requires a point guard who can get in the lane and make quick decisions. We don't have a point guard. Aberdeen is a good player, but he isn't a pass first point guard who is blowing by guys and collapsing defenses to get clean looks on kickouts. He's basically Oweh 2.0, they are very similar players. They get downhill and force contested shots, some days that works and the shots fall, some days it looks like they are playing 1 on 5 on offense. I have said it before and I wills say it again, our offense starts slow and we fall behind because everyone is standing around waiting for someone else to make a play. Oweh, and for a lesser part, Aberdeen are the guys trying to do that. Jasper has flashes where he makes a great spirt of plays. Then he erases that by making horrible decisions that lead to turnovers and gets cooked on defense. He's a freshmen and needs to grow.

This team has no identity. Are we a defensive team that locks people down, keeps the score low and close because we have a bad offense and tries to create wins from steals, extra possessions, and turnovers? Are we a gunslinging team that plays no defense and runs the floor the entire game trying to outscore you? Are we a live by the 3 die by the 3 perimeter team that only shoots threes or layups? Are we a physical team who is going to pound the ball inside every trip down the floor and muck the game up on both sides of the ball relying on fouls and outworking teams to win?

At the end of the day I really think a lot less of this is on Pope than people wanna admit. While he still takes the lion's share of blame, he can't go out there and run the offense himself, make shots, and play lock down defense. He put the roster together, injuries happened, etc. But the lack of basketball IQ on this team and their inability to run standard high school level offensive sets is astounding. I know AAU ball is the wild west where a lot of coaches just roll out a ball and let the players cook, but good lord, you'd figure these guys would have learned pin downs, how to guard ball screens, how to seal off the backside, how to screen the screener, or to even inbound the freaking basketball at some point. Maybe behind the curtain Mark Pope is furious with this group and has tried seven hundred remedies and they just don't work. Maybe he's putting on the politicians face for the media and giving vague answers instead of calling people out publicly. I honestly don't know and can only go off the product we see on the floor. Even in our wins, we aren't "right". This is obviously not the 5 out offense from last year. This team struggles mightily with the screen game. Pope doesn't even look like the same coach from last year on the sidelines. There are flashes, but never a full engagement of what we saw last year. Noah last year was looking for his shot every time down the floor. He hustled and tried to body up his guy on defense and fought for rebounds and we praised his basketball IQ. This year he seems extremely timid on both ends of the floor, not engaged, and barely moving unless we are playing a doormat non conference cupcake. There are a multitude of problems with the squad and Pope will end up taking all the blame and rightfully so, but there are a lot more issues with the players themselves than most care to admit. Some of them simply don't care.

 

[CatsDomain]

What is the origin of the phrase " touch money"?
I'm sure they're copycating it from somewhere.

I don't know if it was copied or if they made it up themselves but here is the result of a search with, of course, AI explaining it all.

"In the context of recent college basketball, specifically linked to a pre-game chant by the 2025-2026 Kentucky Wildcats, the phrase "touch money" is basketball slang for having a "shooter's touch" or extreme confidence in scoring. It is used to signify that any shot a player takes—or "touches"—is guaranteed to go in, similar to saying a shot is "money" or "cash".
Here are the key details regarding the usage of this phrase:

• Meaning: It signifies that the ball feels like "money" when it leaves a player's hand, meaning it is automatic and in rhythm.
• Context: It is used as a team-bonding, high-energy phrase to build confidence and trust before a game, often accompanied by physical actions like handshakes or fist bumps.
• Misinterpretation: Following a loss by Kentucky in January 2026, the chant was widely misinterpreted by fans as an arrogant reference to NIL (Name, Image, and Likeness) money or a lack of focus on winning.
• Origin: While some linked it to a general desire to "chase the paper" (make money), in basketball culture, it specifically refers to scoring efficiency and the "shooter's touch".

Note: The phrase gained notoriety in January 2026 when Kentucky fans reacted negatively to the team using it as a pre-game chant, leading to widespread discussion among fans about whether the slang was appropriate given the team's performance. "

So maybe it's not as bad as some of us thought at first? Get the "money shots" or "shooter's touch" in this game. A good thought but following through has been another story completely.

 

[Anony Moose]

Somebody call Pope and tell him to bench Oweh tomorrow because he's inefficient and start Noah in his place and he's gonna guard Acuff. I'm sure that would end well...

Yet someone on this board thinks that is the answer to our problems...

P.S. I don't want Noah anywhere near Oweh's minutes, he's almost as bad as Travis Perry was and equally can't guard a traffic cone in SEC play.

You guys are trying so hard. Lulz

Why would Noah, occasionally playing the 3 for Oweh, be guarding Acuff? Might he occasionally have to switch? Sure! But I doubt he would find himself on Acuff much.

Do you all really expect Oweh to guard Acuff? Hahaha.

Lets repeat the same behavior and expect different results in our 22nd game of the season. That'll show em!

 

[PastorofMuppets82]

Lulz? Are you twelve? You're definitely committed to your, unique, interpretation.

Oweh is our best on ball defender (by defensive efficiency rating) a 6'4" guard/wing, a very undersized Small Forward by conventional standards and is actually the shortest guy in our starting lineup. Who is Oweh guarding if you are coaching KY tomorrow? Who is guarding Thomas and Knox? Aberdeen is 6'5" (taller and slower) and statistically a worse on-ball defender. Chandler is also 6'5" and taller and slower and statistically a worse on-ball defender than both Oweh and Aberdeen. Jasper can't guard a traffic cone and is a turnover machine and you aren't starting him against Acuff in Fayetteville. Noah isn't fast enough to keep up with Knox and would be a liability on the defensive end. Do you move Mo D to the 3? Jelly or Garrison to the 4? What's that offense look like? But sure, keep thumping your chest and making everyone in here dumber for having to listen to you.

Arkansas Starters
Darius Acuff is their best ball control guard, a 6'3" guard
Meleek Thomas is their SG, 6'5" guard/wing
Karter Knox at SF at 6'6" wing/small forward
Trevon Brazil PF, 6'10" Forward
Nick Pringle PF/C 6'10" Forward

I think Pope and company will put Aberdeen on Acuff and Oweh on Thomas and Chandler on Knox starting out based on how we've matched up this year so far and try to face guard them one on one. Not how I'd do it. I'd play zone all night against any Cal team and eliminate our glaring weaknesses and make them beat us with outside shooting.

 

[Drogon]

Nobody with even 1 functional eyeball is going to agree with you. You're a moron.

You're arguing with a ******* moron

 

[kyjeff1]

You’ve officially stopped responding to what I’m saying and started arguing with a version of me you made up.

I never once argued to “sit Oweh,” give his minutes to walk-ons, or pretend Noah, Chandler, or Johnson are secretly stars. That’s a straw man you keep dragging out because it’s easier than engaging with the actual point.

Here is the point:

Being the best option on a thin roster does not automatically mean a player is providing optimal value on every possession. Those are different questions. You’re answering “who else do we have?” I’m answering how should possessions be allocated?

Saying “there’s nobody behind Oweh” is not analysis, it’s an indictment of roster construction. And no serious basketball mind hears “the offense rises and falls with one player” and thinks that’s a strength. That’s a limitation.

You keep using “carry the team” like it’s a measurable skill. It isn’t. What is measurable is shot efficiency, decision-making, and lineup impact. If Oweh truly separated himself as an elite offensive engine, this wouldn’t even be a debate... the numbers would be overwhelming. They aren’t.

Also, nobody is impressed by calling everyone else stupid. That’s what people do when they’ve run out of basketball points. If your entire argument boils down to:

“Everyone agrees with me”
"The coach has no choice”
“Anyone who disagrees is a moron”

…then you’re not making a case. You’re venting.

That does not mean efficiency stops mattering.
And it definitely doesn’t mean questioning usage equals ignorance.

You can like a player and still analyze him honestly. That’s the difference here.

Lastly, if you're resigned to the fact the most likely scenario is a loss even with Oweh, why not try something different instead or repeating the same behavior you expect to result in a loss? Like, do you want to be insane?

I'll ask this again. When you are reducing Oweh's minutes, what do you think that means? Where is Oweh going to go when you pull him out and put Noah in the game? Does he remain on the court, or does he go to the bench?

You realize we are only allowed to have 5 players on the court, right? So when you put Noah in for Oweh, where do you think Oweh goes?

But now it seems like you're changing your argument. You’re now saying the roster is flawed. Well duhhhh, that's what we have been telling you.

Are you changing your stance, or are you sticking with your belief that Oweh's minutes should be reduced and Noah, Chandler and Johnson should get those minutes? Let's start there, because it seems like you're changing your stance now.