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Refs betting on that spread
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Too much money, too many bad calls to believe there is not a problem with officiating.
Every SEC game will be poorly officiated. They are the worst officials in basketball at any level.
But if you apply RR logic to yesterday's game we cheated Ole Miss. We shot 38 free throws to their 21. That's always proof of a cheat on this forum. I guess yesterday was an aberration?
Only to an idiot that lacks the ability to reason. Ole Miss should have more fouls. They are coached not to just defend against an easy baskets (which they should obviously) but to foul if you aren’t in position to block it.
With hat being said, both teams each game should be griping. It’s awful, like they’re just guessing. Guys aren’t even sure what’s a foul from game to game. Sometimes from half to half.
How many times did Dia or that other big elbow Moreno in the chest while trying to get a path to the basket. Storr fended off constantly while trying to drive around our guys. Those are easy calls and the whistle was never blown once. The arm bars and hand checking has gotten way out of hand. We get called for the simplest touches and other teams can put their hands on our guys to keep them from driving to the basket. It’s ludicrous.
I always wondered how many of the referees upset about that were actually upset that we were pointing a finger at an obviously biased ref. If I'd known that guy personally I'd have had no problem calling him a crook to his face. It was as bad as yesterday's hook against Oweh the entire game.
I'm just bumping because I don't want anybody to miss this post.
Someone said SEC refs get paid 4k for each game. While that is good money, it is chump change compared to what a ref could be bought for. 25k or more would be nothing to pay a ref for the kind of money that flows through the gambling establishments
I’ve never been die hard NFL. Liked Chucky in high school and went to Florida a lot as a kid, the 2001 Bucs were always liked when I was a freshman. My father bought tickets and went to Raymond James. So just pulled for them. Kids were born and I’m a STL card / blues guy, wanted to root for a team closer to my pro city STL. Decided to try and root for KC, seeing that most of my STL fellow base were KC fans.
long story short tried to jump on and root for them. After about 6 months I hated them more than I ever even thought about them. Something about them just got on my last nerve and I started rooting against them. Weird sht. Just went back to Bucs and later that year Tom got there and they won the Super Bowl. lol.
Cinci might be growing on me a little since I’ve been in LEX for 2 years. But probably just stay Bucs now that I’ve been a fan for over 20 years. But damn do I hate KC, don’t really know why. I tried.
My father told me in the 90’s, Kentucky never has and never will be liked. We’re a dominant southern team in a northeast sport. The old guard hates us and the new guard hates us. He told me to be a UK fan you have to embrace being hated and it will never stop.
I’m pushing 40 now and he’s still right.
I do think we saw an uptick in hate from the officials after Higgins though. But what do we do? Sit back and take it? Can’t do that. I’m full bore UK I’d rather die than take it. Hope Higgins suffers from here on out.
As long as Vegas is involved in sports going to be corruption to cover there ***, you don’t think they have many on the inside to do this…
I think the ref was Jeb Hartness. He has a history of fixing games when you look him up. He is 100% a dirty ref.
Eventually we are going to learn this. The NFL got ahead of the game and they’re listed as “sports entertainment”. I’m not saying the games are totally rigged, but they push an agenda. This language likely makes them feel they’re safe from some kind of lawsuits if some of the agenda is exposed as rigging.
Most so called conspiracies would be too deep to not have whistle blowers. But sports betting isn’t as organized. There’s no chance there aren’t games being fixed to some degree. We’ve even had players, and have one right now, that I think has bet on games but I won’t accuse. Just too many incidental issues and coincidences for me. I watch him and I just can’t see some of the mistakes not being intentional.
Prop betting needs to be banned, that’s making this too easy for players to go rouge.
All fans always think calls are going against them. If you talk to the Ole Miss fans they will say UK eecieved all the calls. One example is when the Ole Miss player received a technical foul for taunting after dunking the basketball and a couple plays latter Oweh goes down the lane and throws one down and immediately starts taunting the Ole Miss player but nothing was called against Oweh. I was afraid he was going to be called for a technical foul.
The refs are human and they are going to miss calls just like the players are going to miss shots and throw the ball away.
We won the game so were the refs betting on UK or Ole Miss?
LMAO found one! This is nonsense! If you can’t see the clear bias against UK, idk what to even say to you at this point. It’s beyond obvious.
Vegas I’m sure is a part of it. However, how come we never see those type of calls made against duke, ku and the cheats?!
Yes but what fanbases think and what the evidence is showing is different. You can think you got bad calls, but did you? Kentucky fans can show a long line of really bad calls going back generations and screw jobs called out by decades of fans. Everyone isn’t making it up. And I can point to direct evidence. Being in a field where it’s imperative, I do my best to avoid my biases and look objectively at what is in front of me. There are times when I call it what it is even when it doesn’t benefit.
There isn’t a doubt that UK does not get the same whistle as Duke and Kansas and UNC get in their house. That is objective truth. Guys like Wilbon don’t hate Unc and Duke, he hates Kentucky. Bilas doesn’t miss obvious fouls calling Duke and UNC games. Guys like Goodman don’t rail against Kansas for decades. Dick Vitale didn’t tell Patterson to go to UK on national TV. Greenburg isn’t hating on Duke UNC or Kansas. It’s all negative kentucky slants. The evidence is overwhelming.
Kentucky has dominated this sport since the beginning and absolutely manhandled this conference. No other program is like that. It’s a southern program in a northeastern sport where pride is abundant. No other program is like that. We’ve had coaches that are hated nationally. No other program has had that to this level. There are reasons why we say this, there are reasons for the hate / bad officiating, and they are valid.
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This is nothing new. Has been going on forever.
You obviously don’t watch Women’s College basketball. You could find 3 blind meth addicts, and it would be an improvement.
I watched a couple of the Lady Cats games and the refs were awful. With the ladies being less athletic and the wider spacing there is no excuse for it being so bad.
Nah. Kentucky has gotten terrible calls, especially in the SEC, for decades. I go back to the 70s, and they were just as bad back then. Maybe worse, actually. The game the 1993 team dropped at Tennessee was an absolute robbery. And how about the 2011 and 2014 NCAA games against UConn? Higgins completely stole those games long before we gave him ****. The weight of evidence is greatly against you lol
NCAA officiating is the single worst thing that has absoltely NO real oversight or compliance or a standard of consistency, and it has been what is worst about the sport of college basketball for as long as I have watched it - over 50 years now.
Refs, you really do suck.
I saw that Baylor - TCU game, and Baylor fouled so much, both teams were called for so many fouls .... it was cringe worthy. That was even KNOWING that, after Baylor (home team) fewll behind by 17, that they would foul and keep on fouling, until the final second, to have a chance to win. And they did. The last couple of minutes of the game took forever. A foul shooting contest. It was ridiculous. And I see it in every game I watch, no matter who is playing. Every year.
Officiating is inconsistent, leading to players trying to do too much, all because the damn refs don't get control over these hostile league environments and they make BS calls.
Until the NCAA enforces officiating in a TOTALLY different way, we're stuck with officiating being the worst thing about the sport.
Refs, you really do suck.
I saw that Baylor - TCU game, and Baylor fouled so much, both teams were called for so many fouls .... it was cringe worthy. That was even KNOWING that, after Baylor (home team) fewll behind by 17, that they would foul and keep on fouling, until the final second, to have a chance to win. And they did. The last couple of minutes of the game took forever. A foul shooting contest. It was ridiculous. And I see it in every game I watch, no matter who is playing. Every year.
Officiating is inconsistent, leading to players trying to do too much, all because the damn refs don't get control over these hostile league environments and they make BS calls.
Until the NCAA enforces officiating in a TOTALLY different way, we're stuck with officiating being the worst thing about the sport.
Funny you should say that. Did you know the officials are usually ran at a trot out of the building immediately with officers all around them. They then have a full police escort to an undisclosed location. Crazy right.
I'll add to that as proof of the bias- how are coaches treated in the national media once they are UK coaches compared to before and afterward?
Cal was celebrated even while investigated, until he became UKs coach. Then he was evil incarnate and his past (unproven) indiscretions were highlighted. As soon as he LEFT for Arkansas, the UK fanbase was demonized.
Tubby wasn't celebrated for winning the 98 title until after it was VERY clear he wasn't going to win one here again. He ALSO LEFT of his own accord, after unethically taking a million dollar longevity bonus when he had already accepted a job at Minnesota, and yet the fanbase was demonized. Then he was celebrated at his new programs in turn.
Kentucky fans refuse to believe it because they are mostly kind people that want to believe the best in people, but not being from here it is easy to see. Kentucky was and is the scapegoat for the racists of both the south and the north. They integrated the SEC. They took away the stigma the northern schools and broadcasters leaned upon. They defused the drama bomb the networks and papers used to sell the matchups.
Because many if them were racists themselves, they had no one else at which to point the finger.
This is not my theory, but someone else's. Yet I know it's true. KENTUCKY is branded as THE backwoods, "Deliverance" type of state. It always will be so that the wretched of the rest of the country will always have a finger to point away from their own wretchedness. Their own weaknesses and poor areas are not to be looked upon. Don't even discuss their racism.
"Look at UK."
"Don't look at the academic scandal at UNC. Don't look at the sexual abuse at Penn State and Michigan State. Don't look at the scandals swept under the rug when coaches "had heart issues" during investigations, or when they refused to turn over financial records as private institutions. Don't look at the murders. Don't look at the drugs and drug dealers caught with performance enhancing drugs. Don't look at the decade of buying titles by paying players more than they would make as NBA rookies. LOOK AT UK and believe whatever we tell you to think, please!!"
They hate the passion of the fans. They hate the loyalty. They hate the arena and the name on it, because he helped take away their other scapegoats. Saw it from year one of living here. Just took me a while to realize what it was.
This guy always shows up when it comes to something like this. He doesn’t know basketball and I am pretty sure he is not even a UK fan.
Look at Cooper Cupps catch last night. That is called a drop almost every game and possible fumble, and he didn’t even get the first down. Called both a catch and a first down in a crucial play. I didn’t care about either team but there were some laughable calls on LA all night including one ridiculous taunt that Devonte Adams had to throw a fit about to get a flag.
Exactly, the game is so much slower and played below the rim. Way easier to keep track of calls.
They grease the wheels. Simple as that.
They spoil the media and clearly butter the ncaa's bread. It's been UKs Achilles heel for decades that they don't do enough for the media in terms of perks and such. A friend of mine was amazed at how well the media rooms and food served were at other big name FB and BB schools.
SOME media rooms are like really nice theaters or auditoriums on campus. At UK they were mostly an afterthought with fold up chairs. For the number of people they employ, the SInfoDept is as connected to compliance as they are kind of disconnected from hospitality and marketing to the media.
Officiating just comes down to how the conference and ncaa feel about the program and its fans. Jealousy rarely breeds appreciation.
No. That actually makes sense. No different than tax collectors in the dark ages
You see bad reffing where it could be gambling, could be bias, or could just be bad reffing, but almost every game I have ever seen him, there's something that just looks suspect. His games look manipulated.