Dude, it doesn't matter why he was in front nor does it matter that it wasn't nefarious, he shouldn't have been in front period, per protocol, and especially with a gun in one hand while filming with the other.
The Nazis are Shooting People
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Sure man, if anything he was lightly brushed, that's it. And if he was harmed, why did he walk away as if he was fine and why didn't the other agents ask him if he was ok? They literally walked in the opposite direction because it was evident that he was fine.
If you had a job, you should be fired from it. You're not funny at all weird little twink.
Not surprised that you are ok with obstruction. This tragedy wouldn't have happened if she obeyed the law.
The frustrating thing about how you handle these things is this:
When there are two narratives, no matter how asinine and bad faith one those narratives is, you feel compelled to give them both credence.
You're allowed to observe the world and throw about garbage views from garbage people.
You're acting like American citizens are stupid. Utilizing ICE in these cities is nothing more than about control. It's "lawful" in the sense that this rogue government has decided to leverage them to intimidate citizens of America.
These are the things Conservatives have espoused for a century; to fight against government overreach, to stand up against tyrannical government, to limit the control of big government.
And now, when the people actually do it? You kill them in cold blood.
All of you Trump supporters are sheep and hypocrites
ned you're free to watch this video where a subject matter expert federal agent with 25+ years training explains to you and the other simpletons how walking in front of the car among numerous other things was entirely stupid and not consistent with LEO training.
there was nothing "nefarious" about what the murdered woman did, and she isn't held to the standard of a supposedly trained law enforcement officer, is she?
You missed the point, intentionally I suppose. The officer made a a judgement call based on the situation. It was an unfortunate tragedy directly caused by obstruction.
well, as much as you might not want to admit it, there are always two sides, at least, to just about every situation that exists. Yes, the ICE agents should not have shot that woman. And yes, that woman should not have been where she was attempting to obstruct/harass ICE.
I've read multiple posts on here from proponents of the officer and the driver who have each seen the videos. There have been comments specifically finding fault - those who normally post from the left side are sure it was the officer's fault: those who post from the right are positive that the driver was at fault for attempting to run over the ICE agents. So I ask, why are posters from each side 180degrees different in their view and yet both so positive they are right? Good question. Why are you so positive you're right? You haven't seen anything different than Jhpartner. why is he so positive he's right, he hasn't seen anything different that you? Me, I admit I don't know. I have my opinions, and I've posted. I think I know why the agent was where he was, I understand the chaos of one agent telling driver to get out the car and wife yelling "drive baby drive" and as I posted as she was turning right and agent was off to her left, she might not have seen him, I know she hit him, and I know he fired, I believe that two shots through the side window were overkill. But I've learned from combat after action reports that things are never as they seem. Two people experiencing the same thing, when interviewed, will will not have seen things the same way.
Sorry if you don't like that, but it's what I have experienced and what I believe.
From what little I have read from Ned posts, it seems pretty obvious he supports a military state and a government structured along the lines of what exists in Russia
This is aggravating
JHP sees it one way and uses Catturd tweets to justify his position
The ones on our side, in particular Tboone, attach videos from a former 25 year career federal agent whose entire job was dealing with gun incidents involving federal agents and another with a former FBI supervisory agent, a former US Capitol Police chief and a former ICE director. Which side's evidence should carry more weight?
I'll re-post them here if you'll take a few minutes to get the experts perspectives.
Its not obstruction to voice your opinion to the government, neither is filming them. Both are protected under the first amendment.
No. No, it doesn't.
And, just for poops and giggles, let's say he WAS grazed as he was wrongly in front of the car, and the car, clearly turning AWAY from him grazed him with its side ... even in that scenario, as the car continued to turn AWAY from the officers and as he was clearly unhurt and no longer in any danger ... there was STILL ... even in your made-up scenario, no justification for shooting her in the head, from the side of the car, as she DROVE AWAY.
Your fake attempts to equivocate, or pretend to "see both sides" as a way to excuse away your fellow nazis' behavior ... it's not working anymore.
“Lightly brushed”
Correct, but if you make it grainy enough and significantly speed it up like this EX-CON DEPLORABLE did(lol) you can make people like you believe anything. Reminder that when the car accelerated she was dead....
You're not wrong that there are two sides to every story and that context is important. I'm not an idiot. You are wrong to be like "gee, there are two different sides to this, it's impossible to know!" That's lazy.
Setting that aside for a moment you said this: "Yes, the ICE agents should not have shot that woman. "
Does anything else really matter? I mean, seriously? Is there any value in saying that a case could be made that that woman may have committed some frivolous crime?
I didn't miss the point, I just reject it. Sure, the woman could have been doing something else. Also ICE could have not been there. This woman's death was caused directly by ICE being there, by your logic. See what a waste of time that is? "Charlie Kirk's death was a tragedy caused directly by his decision to go speak that day." I'm sure you'd sign off on that framing, right?
At the end of the day, that idiot acted rashly (AT BEST) and a woman is dead. The person who is most directly responsible for killing the person is, and I know this is a difficult concept to grasp, the person who killed her. She posed no actual threat to the officer and a myriad of failures on his part lead to this.
It may sound good but will turn out bad for libs. Trump will remove a lot of illegals in this term.
The driver’s partner pissed off Mr anger management issues and because he was itching to rough her up he lost his temper when she started to drive off. He murdered the driver because her partner got under his skin. If he did have prior trauma and was “twitchy” that’s even more reason why he shouldn’t have been there and was likely to make an impulsive decision. This was manslaughter at a minimum.
I agree but you conveniently left out that they were impeding ICE from doing their job. Get in your vehicle and do the same. Let me know how that works out for you.
I'm not sure what that matters. I can't kill someone when I'm at my office just because I'm supposed to be there.
Didn't change a single thing and made Renee look even better. Sorry you're so easily manipulated by propaganda. Maga framing has fried your brain.
Well yeah. The military trains you and you have to pass a test to get in, so they're at least literate. I'm not going to pretend they haven't made reprehensible decisions but they're in a different strasophere of ability, accountability, and respectability than ICE.
1. He was hit? Really? I have yet to see any video footage which depicts Ross getting hit.
2. Ross was in front of Ms. Good's car, but just barely. He was perhaps one step from being on the side of her car, and he took that step as he fired the first shot. He very clearly fired the second and third shots from the side of Ms. Good's car as it passed by him.
3. The very fact that he positioned himself in front of Ms. Good's car was stupid on his part. All the more so given that his colleague was screaming at her to "Get the F out of the car" and/or "Move the car."
"Coming soon." That's hilarious, Home O'Fluffigans. I'll bet you hear that multiple times every single day.
boy are you way off. I am for following the laws, though. Or, if you don't like them, change them. Remember, no one is above the law.
If you've only read a little of my posts, maybe you should read more. See, this is kind of what I have posted. You have read little of my posts, yet you have come to the conclusion that "it's pretty obvious". Doesn't that sound like jumping to conclusions to you.
if you read all my posts, I agreed with Bear that Ms Good should not have put herself in that situation. She and her wife were apparently Goading the ICE agents and when instructed to get out of the car, she should have turned off the car and got out. Instead she apparently responded to her wife "drive baby drive"
all that said, you shouldn't lose your life for being stupid.
ICE was there doing it's k=jon. Ms good was there to assist in preventing ICE from doing its job.