Washington QB Demond Williams wants to enter transfer portal after re-signing with the Huskies

mel mains

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Under the State of Washington law, the University of Washington can recover a lot more than just what they have paid out under that deal he signed last week. First things first, they could file temporary injunction will keep him from going to another school. Then it would be a straight forward breach of contract case under state law against the player who signed. There would also be an intentional interference with contract claim against his agent. Plus, a potential fraud in the inducement case against both the player & agent. What would probably come about through discovery would be a case for interference with a business relationship against LSU and, perhaps, Kiffin personally.

I doubt the university would pursue such action because it would make them unattractive to future recruits, but this is the type of case that could lead to congress addressing the concerns.
Don’t try to reason with oldjar, you might wake him while he runs an athletic department.
 

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Gibberish, in legal terms AND layman’s terms.
You made him look up that word.

He, over the years, has proven himself clueless, and a useless source of any information.

Plus if making a legal argument, learn how to spell "tortious," a hint from the old man cheap seats.
 
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What discussion of consideration do you think is relevant here? In the scenario I presented where no monetary exchange had taken place yet and thus no damages, the contract will likely be rescinded, terminated, or unenforced. Which might be anticlimactic for some, but really quite a boring outcome for the layperson.
Well, for one, UW was basing their NIL & portal strategy on the belief that they have him coming back. You can argue they still have time to get a different QB, but UW can argue that the market changed and they don't have as many good options as before he backed out.

College FB is a billion dollar business and each P4 school is operating a multi million dollar entity. There has to be some degree of enforcement of these contracts or this will all eventually burn down.
 
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Antwill

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So you're suggesting the several lawyers LSU had access to didn't consider any of this? I'm not confusing anything. Neither breach of contract nor tortious interference in this case represent monetary damages in the scenario I presented. And thus in laymen's terms nothing consequential will happen regardless of the specific route taken in regards to the contract, that is if the scenario presented is actually what happened.
Louisiana is one of the most corrupt states in the union. I'm guessing these attorneys who okayed this have been playing with fire for a long time.
 
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I was going to continue to respond from a legal perspective and then remembered what my hourly rate is to answer such assertions. Fastest way to end of tug-o-war is just to drop the rope.
 

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I was going to continue to respond from a legal perspective and then remembered what my hourly rate is to answer such assertions. Fastest way to end of tug-o-war is just to drop the rope.
On post boards EVERYONE all of a sudden

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oldjar07

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Player broke the rules. Seems very similar to a non-compete in some respects. He is disqualified for the season. Can apply for reinstatement after the conclusion of the 2026 season.

Tampering school broke the rules. They forfeit the amount they committed to the player in the form of a fine. Money goes to CTE research, other football related philanthropic efforts.

Agent broke the rules. Fined and suspended for one year. Next violation, permanent ban.
None of these are real things, but sure let your imagination run wild.
 

oldjar07

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Under the State of Washington law, the University of Washington can recover a lot more than just what they have paid out under that deal he signed last week. First things first, they could file temporary injunction will keep him from going to another school. Then it would be a straight forward breach of contract case under state law against the player who signed. There would also be an intentional interference with contract claim against his agent. Plus, a potential fraud in the inducement case against both the player & agent. What would probably come about through discovery would be a case for interference with a business relationship against LSU and, perhaps, Kiffin personally.

I doubt the university would pursue such action because it would make them unattractive to future recruits, but this is the type of case that could lead to congress addressing the concerns.
The scenario that I mentioned was that UW didn't pay out a significant amount to the player yet. In that case, nothing of consequence will happen.

Of course, if the player did receive a significant amt at signing, then it could lead down this route. That would be a hell of a lot messier, I never claimed it wouldn't be.
 
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oldjar07

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Gibberish, in legal terms AND layman’s terms.
Monetary damages are the basis for the vast majority of lawsuits. If there are no monetary damages, then a suit even involving a contract breach won't go anywhere.
 

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Well, for one, UW was basing their NIL & portal strategy on the belief that they have him coming back. You can argue they still have time to get a different QB, but UW can argue that the market changed and they don't have as many good options as before he backed out.

College FB is a billion dollar business and each P4 school is operating a multi million dollar entity. There has to be some degree of enforcement of these contracts or this will all eventually burn down.
That's a bogus argument and nothing will happen in regards to that. There's still plenty of portal qb's left to sign. Again, there needs to be actual monetary damages before a legal proceeding would go anywhere.

And well, this issue kind of goes down to how stupid NIL is and the rules around it in the first place. It was argued that these rules were put in place to give players more freedom. If that is the case, I don't see what the problem is with a player freely breaking a contract for his name, image, likeness if he wants to. That doesn't mean there couldn't be consequences from the ncaa in regards to transfer eligibility for that player. But the basis for consequential legal proceedings would have to demonstrate a direct monetary loss.
 

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Well Dylan, Washington now has an immediate need so you might want to check out Seattle housing, it rains a lot but I'm sure you can get use to it.
 
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That's a bogus argument and nothing will happen in regards to that. There's still plenty of portal qb's left to sign. Again, there needs to be actual monetary damages before a legal proceeding would go anywhere.

And well, this issue kind of goes down to how stupid NIL is and the rules around it in the first place. It was argued that these rules were put in place to give players more freedom. If that is the case, I don't see what the problem is with a player freely breaking a contract for his name, image, likeness if he wants to. That doesn't mean there couldn't be consequences from the ncaa in regards to transfer eligibility for that player. But the basis for consequential legal proceedings would have to demonstrate a direct monetary loss.
This isn't an NIL contract though. It is a revenue sharing deal they are signing.
 
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Yeah you're right. Still my point remains the same that nothing consequential will happen unless direct monetary damages actually occurred.
As far as I know, Washington still hasn't put him in the portal.

Breach of contract violations do not need monetary damages to have occured.
 

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That's a bogus argument and nothing will happen in regards to that. There's still plenty of portal qb's left to sign. Again, there needs to be actual monetary damages before a legal proceeding would go anywhere.

And well, this issue kind of goes down to how stupid NIL is and the rules around it in the first place. It was argued that these rules were put in place to give players more freedom. If that is the case, I don't see what the problem is with a player freely breaking a contract for his name, image, likeness if he wants to. That doesn't mean there couldn't be consequences from the ncaa in regards to transfer eligibility for that player. But the basis for consequential legal proceedings would have to demonstrate a direct monetary loss.
I think I'll go with the opinion of the actual attorney on the board.
 

oldjar07

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All the best legal minds use meaningless phrases like “won’t go anywhere” about things they’ve no clue. Thanks counselor.
The stupidest legal minds pursue things that don't make a monetary difference. But still try to jam up the system with inconsequential things so that they can secure their own payday.
 

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Turn on the light, and watch the cockroaches scatter:

Agent drops Demond Williams Jr. amid QB's portal dispute - ESPN
This is the way. These guys reneging on these contracts will make it hard for their agents to negotiate. This also may cause the rise of a bunch of slime ball agents who don't operate in good faith, either.

I sure hope the schools will only work with reputable agents. Of course, they are the ones tampering, etc., so..........

Either they get this under control or this whole thing disintegrates.
 
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So it turns out that whoever signed Williams would have been on the hook to pay his $4million contract with Washington

 

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Yeah nothing happened here, just like I said would occur.
Oh, a lot happened actually. Demond didn't like what his agent told him, so he hired a lawyer who also told him that UW was about to break one off inside him. So he had to go crawling back to honor his contract or risk financial ruin. Waiting for @SuperBigFan69 to also chime in with some more genius contract advice for the board.
 

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Oh, a lot happened actually. Demond didn't like what his agent told him, so he hired a lawyer who also told him that UW was about to break one off inside him. So he had to go crawling back to honor his contract or risk financial ruin. Waiting for @SuperBigFan69 to also chime in with some more genius contract advice for the board.

He came back because he the deal was better and in fact will end up getting even more money from UW. He won.

You think he would have come back to UW if LSU offered him 20 million dollars and offered to pay his legal fees?

Don't be a goofball.
 

mel mains

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Summing this whole dispute up as Williams “took the better deal” is top shelf PR spin.

Washington was going to take most of the dollars LSU could pay him here in reality, not a fantasy land $20 million contract.

This speaks very well of the standard contract the Big 10 members are using.