The Nazis are Shooting People
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i know we have some real brain wizards on this site, but i thought i'd offer the opinions of some actual experts who have experience in law enforcement. i've set the clip to begin at roughly the 9-minute mark. These are the three gentlemen you see discussing the matter:
All of three of them denounce the actions of the murderer, Noem, and Trump at various times. I'm sure the bootlickers will disagree with their assertions, but I haven't seen a single expert in the field with a single brain cell do anything but rightfully criticize this murder and its ludicrous framing by the chuds.
- Former FBI supervisory agent
- Former US Capitol Police chief
- Former ICE director
All of three of them denounce the actions of the murderer, Noem, and Trump at various times. I'm sure the bootlickers will disagree with their assertions, but I haven't seen a single expert in the field with a single brain cell do anything but rightfully criticize this murder and its ludicrous framing by the chuds.
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Obey or die
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No one knows. She was literally waving cars through, so either she was helping the parked car, helping the other car there that was stuck, prohibiting ICE in her neighborhood, or something else. No one knows.
The response by the agents was WAY overblown, even before she was shot.
She was murdered
you mean why would someone who was attempting to block ICE agents arrest illegal migrants sit in the mid;e of the road blocking traffic. Simple, she was part of a protest group attempting to block ICE agents in violation of the law...according to reports.
Pretty cut and dry footage. He should go to jail. There were so many other ways to handle that. Just get out of the way, take down the license plate # and arrest her later. Or hell, shoot the tire if you’re trigger happy and want to stop her.
Yeah but even though she didn't see him until the last second, that ICE agent ended up in the hospital on life support after he was lightly brushed by her vehicle going 5 miles per hour. What about him?
Also infuriating at the end when a man who identified himself as a physician asked if he could check her pulse, the ICE agent said, "NO, back up! I don't care!" What have we come to?
Well, most of you know how I feel about Trump and his folks. But I'm a moderate in spite of that and here's my two cents:
It's pretty obvious to me that this woman was breaking the law. Whether it was as a peaceful protest or something else is beside the point. Her car was crossways in the road and she was impeding federal law enforcement officials. Just as above with the peace protest part, whether you agree with ICE methods or not is beside the point. They were conducting a Federal operation and she was intentionally in their way. That's grounds to arrest her right there.
And it appears to me that that is what was going to happen. The officer told her to step out of the car and she refused, she then attempted to drive off. That's resisting arrest... I think there's little doubt about any of that.
I've also heard that it is not standard operating procedure to stand in front of a car with a suspect in it. Again, I can't see that there's any bearing in the matter whether it was procedure or not. She either tried to run him over or not.
I've heard that this officer was dragged by a car in a previous incident and that he may have been affected by that. And again, I don't see that there's any bearing in the matter at hand. He either acted properly or not.
I've heard this woman referred to as a domestic terrorist or a simple mom of three kids depending on who's doing the talking. Do we know these things for sure? Certainly I have trouble believing the officers knew any of that in that moment, so I don't see that having any bearing in the case.
I heard Vance say that this officer had blanket immunity. That is TOTAL ********. Officers certainly DO NOT have blanket immunity and in fact are bound by what they may do in given situations. There are many cases to this point where officers acted outside the bounds of the law and were jailed for it. No bearing here, but I needed to say that.
In the end this boils down to whether the use of deadly force was justified or not given what happened in the moment.
Given that, there are several things that are NOT obvious to me:
While I see the officer in front of the car, I also see her wheels cut hard to turn the car away from him and frankly it didn't look like he got more than brushed by the car. So when I hear she tried to "run down the officer", that doesn't seem cut and dried to me (as Vance and others in the Admin are saying).
That being the case, I do see that at least two shots were fired by the officer while he was beside the car and was in no danger of being run down. Does the use of deadly force continue to be OK when the situation that justified it has passed? I honestly don't know the answer to that and obviously the situation was ongoing at the time.
As usual, I take the moderate view that we simply don't have all the facts of the case in front of us and until we do, we can't know what the right thing to do is. I say let the courts decide. So I think both the feds and the state should investigate and let the cards fall where they may.
In general, I support law enforcement and although I really, really don't like the way ICE is doing things, that opinion has nothing to do with this particular case. In this case we see a woman clearly in violation of the law. The officers attempted to take her into custody and she attempted to escape by doing what she did. The only question here is whether the officer genuinely felt his life (and those of his fellow officers and the general public) was in danger and the use of lethal force was justified. Again, we don't have all the facts here, but given what we saw I'd have difficulty finding the officer guilty.
It's pretty obvious to me that this woman was breaking the law. Whether it was as a peaceful protest or something else is beside the point. Her car was crossways in the road and she was impeding federal law enforcement officials. Just as above with the peace protest part, whether you agree with ICE methods or not is beside the point. They were conducting a Federal operation and she was intentionally in their way. That's grounds to arrest her right there.
And it appears to me that that is what was going to happen. The officer told her to step out of the car and she refused, she then attempted to drive off. That's resisting arrest... I think there's little doubt about any of that.
I've also heard that it is not standard operating procedure to stand in front of a car with a suspect in it. Again, I can't see that there's any bearing in the matter whether it was procedure or not. She either tried to run him over or not.
I've heard that this officer was dragged by a car in a previous incident and that he may have been affected by that. And again, I don't see that there's any bearing in the matter at hand. He either acted properly or not.
I've heard this woman referred to as a domestic terrorist or a simple mom of three kids depending on who's doing the talking. Do we know these things for sure? Certainly I have trouble believing the officers knew any of that in that moment, so I don't see that having any bearing in the case.
I heard Vance say that this officer had blanket immunity. That is TOTAL ********. Officers certainly DO NOT have blanket immunity and in fact are bound by what they may do in given situations. There are many cases to this point where officers acted outside the bounds of the law and were jailed for it. No bearing here, but I needed to say that.
In the end this boils down to whether the use of deadly force was justified or not given what happened in the moment.
Given that, there are several things that are NOT obvious to me:
While I see the officer in front of the car, I also see her wheels cut hard to turn the car away from him and frankly it didn't look like he got more than brushed by the car. So when I hear she tried to "run down the officer", that doesn't seem cut and dried to me (as Vance and others in the Admin are saying).
That being the case, I do see that at least two shots were fired by the officer while he was beside the car and was in no danger of being run down. Does the use of deadly force continue to be OK when the situation that justified it has passed? I honestly don't know the answer to that and obviously the situation was ongoing at the time.
As usual, I take the moderate view that we simply don't have all the facts of the case in front of us and until we do, we can't know what the right thing to do is. I say let the courts decide. So I think both the feds and the state should investigate and let the cards fall where they may.
In general, I support law enforcement and although I really, really don't like the way ICE is doing things, that opinion has nothing to do with this particular case. In this case we see a woman clearly in violation of the law. The officers attempted to take her into custody and she attempted to escape by doing what she did. The only question here is whether the officer genuinely felt his life (and those of his fellow officers and the general public) was in danger and the use of lethal force was justified. Again, we don't have all the facts here, but given what we saw I'd have difficulty finding the officer guilty.
lol tell that to the guy you presumably voted for to be the leader of the free world.
If present is past, perhaps people ignored this fellow because all he seemed to do was tell people to go **** themselves.
well, don't know what you mean by that, but I hope you're not suggesting violence against federal agents.
I don't understand the logic. We have laws, duly passed, that deal with illegal immigration. We have an agency also duly formed under congressional vote, to enforce those laws. Yet for some reason the group that has stated over and over that no one is above the law, seems intent on supporting people who are breaking laws in support of people who are breaking the law.
And you have repeatedly down played the murder of a woman in cold blood by federal agents.
You're better than this
She and her wife were there to obstruct ICE agents (her wife was outside of the car). She pulled her car in front of them and stopped to block their path.
It's certainly debatable as to whether or not the officer should have got in front of her car as she was backing up. But her window is down and she can clearly hear the orders from the officers surrounding her car. And I do think she is clearly trying to drive away, but the problem with that argument is there's a cop in her path. A cop who by the way just 6 months prior was severely injured when he was dragged down the street serving a warrant against the convicted sex offender with a deportation order.. while maybe he could have stepped out of the way, the other cop with his hand in the door, trying to open it to get the lady out, may not have been so easily able to extricate himself. The guy could have been entangled and drug down the road much the same way the cop who fired the shots was just a few months hence. Thus, the cop saw fit to apply lethal Force.
At the end of the day, the ice agents are there to serve lawful warrants against migrants with deportation orders. It is a justifiable use of federal Force. In fact the supreme Court has held only the federal government can do this. Impeding federal agents is a crime. When you do that you put your life, the life of the officers, and the life of all other bystanders in danger. Yet this behavior is being encouraged by the lunatic left. The lunatic left has her blood on their hands.
No. There were zero lawful warrants.
No ice agents have warrants. These aren't cops with warrants, and they didn't have one for her arrest. She's a legal American citizen.
They forcefully tried to enter her car, and she probably didn't even see the agent at the front of the car with his gun drawn until she tried to leave.
One ice agent said "leave" the other said "get out of the car " she tried to leave as she was terrified, clearly turned her wheel to not hit the Agent who appeared in front of her with his gun drawn.
He shot her, then fired 2 more shots when he was clearly out of even remote danger to his personhood and she was driving away.
Get out of your echo chamber. Seek help- you need it for this rationalization and line of thinking.
A mother and American citizen was murdered by ice and you're rationalizing it.
I guarantee her child will be forever scarred by these actions
I bet ole leetp here has some much different thoughts on the animals who literally assaulted cops with weapons and bear spray on J6 as they busted their way into The Capitol to interrupt our free and fair election process.
I know I've come to the wrong place for reasonable discussion, but can we please stay on topic?
So you are saying this was a carjacking? I think we are done here.
No buddy, you’re in the right place: the above tweet is pretty much exactly what took place yesterday . Just a different angle
Sorry Lee, you gave up the right to a reasonable discussion with this line.
A couple of thoughts:
- I saw a clip on tv that showed the shooter walking behind her car and around the passenger side until he walked in front at the exact same moment as the officer who was running to grab the driver's side door, so it's clear she wouldn't have seen him. Not to mention he was breaking protocol by walking in front of a vehicle. And as @tigres88 pointed out, one of the officers told her to move so she likely thought she was following orders.
- If it was your wife or daughter in that car, how much restraint would you hope the agents used in that scenario?
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What we're saying here is that ice agents pulled up in an umarked vehicle with masks on, and tried to forcefully enter an unarmed woman's car with no warrant. She was terrified and tried to leave.
Then she left they shot and murdered her in cold blood.
Be better
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I just can't believe the party of traditional values, anti masks, and pro civilians rising up against the government when their rights are impeded by said government, are defending federal agents who accosted, shot and murdered a 37 year old white woman while in her car filled with stuffed animals of her 6 year old child.
Yall are the biggest, sickest, saddest hypocrites on the planet. No values. No honor. No truth.
Just sickness.
Yall are the biggest, sickest, saddest hypocrites on the planet. No values. No honor. No truth.
Just sickness.