The Nazis are Shooting People

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That's your takeaway right now? A woman in a minivan gets murdered in broad daylight on an American street by masked gestapo conducting unconstitutional raids, and the only thing you notice is a woman using profanity?

Seriously, wtf is wrong with you?

And remember whom your senile *** voted for if profane language suddenly bothers you.

I've said it before, or something similar, at least ... but out of all of the irredeemable nazi whackos on this board, @baltimorened may be the worst/creepiest, because he's so matter of fact about his attempts to excuse away what's happening, and appear "reasonable" about it.

It's like the serial killer ... most often, they aren't the ones jumping up and down saying "look at me! I'm crazy!" They're trying to act normal while trying to get away with their awful things, but they usually seem a bit "off" because they can't quite pull off the rouse.
 

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Let's take the loaded language away for a moment. We don't ALL have to act like Stephen Miller.

I dont think she tried to "run over" anyone, particularly with an intent to injure. I do think, however, that the videos (i) "seem" to show that she may have sought to impede the officers in the execution of their operations, which all things considered likely makes her the legitimate subject of a stop,(ii) pretty clearly show her refusing to stop and in fact driving away from the scene with an officer touching the side of her vehicle, which can fairly be viewed as an offensive act that could subject her to stiffer apprehension (though probably not gunfire), and (iii) suggest that there was another officer in front of the vehicle who seems to move to the side, but the videos do not reflect the degree to which the other officer was at risk of being run over, which might well justify the use of lethal force. (Note, I will not use 'escape,' as I don't know the nature of her custodial status from that clip.)

The moral of the story is that when you fail to obey lawful orders, and when you make contact with a leo with a vehicle, you are at risk of enhanced detention techniques. Time will tell whether lethal force was an appropriate one.

This is what happens when you need to quickly build an army of ICE agents.

You get a bunch of incels like @PAWrocka and @JohnHughsPartner, give them a gun and very little training, tell them they cannot be tried for any crimes, put them in masks and have them harass American citizens.

Who could have foreseen this happening?
 

tboonpickens

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Can someone again explain what injuries required this murderer to go recover in a hospital according to Dear Leader?

 

PAWrocka

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This is what happens when you need to quickly build an army of ICE agents.

You get a bunch of incels like @PAWrocka and @JohnHughsPartner, give them a gun and very little training, tell them they cannot be tried for any crimes, put them in masks and have them harass American citizens.

Who could have foreseen this happening?
Pfffft … cool.
Have a good night.
 

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I've said it before, or something similar, at least ... but out of all of the irredeemable nazi whackos on this board, @baltimorened may be the worst/creepiest, because he's so matter of fact about his attempts to excuse away what's happening, and appear "reasonable" about it.

It's like the serial killer ... most often, they aren't the ones jumping up and down saying "look at me! I'm crazy!" They're trying to act normal while trying to get away with their awful things, but they usually seem a bit "off" because they can't quite pull off the rouse.
That's why I've had him blocked for a while. He's a phony and disingenuous as they come.
 
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baltimorened

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? What did you think about her clothes, her hairdo? Notice anything else happening in the video?
to tell you the truth I didn't see either her wardrobe or her hairdo.

I noticed an ice agent apparently stick his hand on the door of and SUV - or maybe he put his hand into the car, I couldn't tell. Then I saw the car jerk forward and heard shots fired. I didn't see an officer in front of the vehicle until the slow motion version of the video. And it appeared as if the car was heading toward the ice agent.

was there more? my eyesight isn't 20-20 anymore.
 

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This event is a great litmus test for your local MAGAt.

If they try to claim that the woman appeared to be trying to run down the agents, or was doing anything other than attempting to escape, you can write them off as irredeemable animals/cultists. They're too far gone. Don't even try to engage them rationally.
 
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tboonpickens

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"the car was heading towards the ICE agent" jfc 🤦‍♂️

yeah he really looked like he was in imminent danger there. maybe if he's ned and has two replaced hips/knees he couldn't simply step to the side like he did without feeling the need to blow an unarmed woman's head off in broad daylight.

i don't even think that poor woman saw the guy in the moment. i think she panicked when the armed, masked gestapo approached her car and started trying to drag her into the street. i don't think she sat there calmly waving her arms for the ICE cars to go by her and then decided to commit vehicular manslaughter with her turbocharged Honda Pilot ffs.

 

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ICE agent shoots, kills woman in Minneapolis - KSTP.com 5 Eyewitness News https://share.google/I65SGdr6kiOfei6mN
To call them Nazis isn’t fair to the Nazi. These are magas. They are their own brand of evil. They are waging a christofascist war on society while being led by the stupidest and most corrupt president this country has ever had. It’s an ignorant cult built on hate and fear but wholly bought in and impervious to reality.
 

tboonpickens

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To call them Nazis isn’t fair to the Nazi. These are magas. They are their own brand of evil. They are waging a christofascist war on society while being led by the stupidest and most corrupt president this country has ever had. It’s an ignorant cult built on hate and fear but wholly bought in and impervious to reality.
That's true. I mean Hitler had a ~100 point IQ advantage on Trump. And to be fair, Hitler's cabinet makes this clown show look like a Benny Hill episode. The Nazis were pure evil, but they weren't stupid like this MAGA movement.
 
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to tell you the truth I didn't see either her wardrobe or her hairdo.

I noticed an ice agent apparently stick his hand on the door of and SUV - or maybe he put his hand into the car, I couldn't tell. Then I saw the car jerk forward and heard shots fired. I didn't see an officer in front of the vehicle until the slow motion version of the video. And it appeared as if the car was heading toward the ice agent.

was there more? my eyesight isn't 20-20 anymore.
Ned: The slow-mo video earlier in this thread is very instructive. Take a look at what the victim does with the tires of her vehicle before she starts forward. She turns them hard right. No way she was gonna run over the dude who killed her. He barely moved before pumping three bullets into her.

Police policy pretty much everywhere forbids using deadly force to stop a fleeing vehicle. Hence, the immediate claims that he fired in self-defense. I think those claims are laughable, but LEO's typically get off on any and all self-defense claims, no matter how laughable they might be. My guess is that this shooter is ex-military (probably signed up to get the $50,000 bonus ICE was offering for new recruits) and probably had little or no training in terms of doing actual policing.

He might get off with that self-defense claim, but that does not mean you are obligated to defend him. Perhaps gaslighting is not your best option in this particular case.
 
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I have to ask. And Im trying to be as open minded as possible here. If you have a gun and someone is within feet of you and is accelerating towards you. Is it better training to use the minute time you have to draw and fire a weapon, or step out of the way?
Did he shoot her while she was driving past him?
 

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Ned: The slow-mo video earlier in this thread is very instructive. Take a look at what the victim does with the tires of her vehicle before she starts forward. She turns them hard right. No way she was gonna run over the dude who killed her. He barely moved before pumping three bullets into her.

Police policy pretty much everywhere forbids using deadly force to stop a fleeing vehicle. Hence, the immediate claims that he fired in self-defense. I think those claims are laughable, but LEO's typically get off on any and all self-defense claims, no matter how laughable they might be. My guess is that this shooter is ex-military (probably signed up to get the $50,000 bonus ICE was offering for new recruits) and probably had little or no training in terms of doing actual policing.

He might get off with that self-defense claim, but that does not mean you are obligated to defend him. Perhaps gaslighting is not your best option in this particular case.
I didn't defend him or condemn him. As I said, I didn't even see the officer in front of the car until the slo-mo version. And I saw the car pull out to the right and the officer seemingly move to his right. I did not see the car hit the agent as someone else posted.

I would have preferred that the woman comply with agents direction (and I have no idea what the conversation was between the officer at the door and the woman) and that the officer not fired his weapon. I don't know if the officer feared for his life (I'm relatively certain that will be his defense), I don't know if he is in the hospital as Trump said and I would have preferred that Trump and Noem not make statements until they had facts. Immediate defense of the agent doesn't add much to the conversation.
I have to ask. And Im trying to be as open minded as possible here. If you have a gun and someone is within feet of you and is accelerating towards you. Is it better training to use the minute time you have to draw and fire a weapon, or step out of the way?
Did he shoot her while she was driving past him?
looked to me that the second shot was from the side, first from the front. Second shot, if from the side was not necessary, IMO. But I don't know that for certain.
 

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I have to ask. And Im trying to be as open minded as possible here. If you have a gun and someone is within feet of you and is accelerating towards you. Is it better training to use the minute time you have to draw and fire a weapon, or step out of the way?
Did he shoot her while she was driving past him?
"Geoffrey Alpert, an expert on police use of force at the University of South Carolina, reviewed a video that captured the shooting at the request of The New York Times. “The way you evaluate this is you look to see what’s the imminent threat to life, and there is none,” he said. “She’s leaving.”

“Look at the wheels on the car, they are turning to the right, and all he has to do is step out of the way,” he said, referring to the federal agent. “She’s jacking the wheels all the way to the right.”

“This is what we call officer-created jeopardy,” Mr. Alpert added, noting that the first agent to approach the car had escalated the situation, whereas local police officers are generally trained to de-escalate tense confrontations.

Jeremy Bauer, a forensics expert in Seattle who has testified in police shooting cases, also reviewed the video. He noted that the officer who fired his gun is obscured at certain points, making it hard to tell whether the car had ever made contact with him. The officer is positioned in front of the car before it starts to turn, he said. And the street was slippery with ice, giving the officer less control of his footing.

That the officer fired more than once was also significant, Dr. Bauer said. “If you’re able to keep aiming at something that is moving by you, then you have some innate knowledge that it’s moving by you and not running over you,” he said.

The Justice Department has long warned that officers should not fire at moving cars and has encouraged departments to forbid it. The department’s own use-of-force policy says that agents may not fire at a moving car that is threatening them unless “no other objectively reasonable means of defense appear to exist, which includes moving out of the path of the vehicle.”

A Department of Homeland Security use-of-force policy dated 2018, during the first Trump administration, says officers “are prohibited from discharging firearms at the operator of a moving vehicle, vessel, aircraft or other conveyance unless the use of deadly force against the operator is justified.”

The country’s 25 largest cities, including New York and Los Angeles, have barred police officers from shooting at moving cars — New York forbade it more than 50 years ago. Some policies make exceptions for terrorists plowing into crowds, or when officers are being fired upon by the vehicle’s occupants."

 

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This is shocking, a SHOCKING reaction from our president and from the state media to narrate this in the way they have. The obvious goal is to enrage the people in that city. They have deployed 2000 ice agents in that city, thats more than TWICE the police force of Minneapolis. What's the point of this? It seems clear.
 
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tboonpickens

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yeah, she definitely seems like a cold-blooded copkiller to me. i can easily imagine her going from calmly sitting there waving the cars by to suddenly deciding she was going to kill someone that day.

 

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This is shocking, a SHOCKING reaction from our president and from the state media to narrate this in the way they have. The obvious goal is to enrage the people in that city. They have deployed 2000 ice agents in that city, thats more than TWICE the police force of Minneapolis. What's the point of this? It seems clear.
ok help me out here. To me iCE agents were sent to Minneapolis to find and arrest illegal migrants,

Is there another reason? you said it seems clear..is this the same clear reason in your mind or is there another?
 

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As the arbiter of fair, logical and balanced takes on this board, I’ll weigh in.

This was an unjustified shooting. The officer’s life wasn’t in danger and the driver didn’t pose an immediate threat to other civilians. The shooting should be reviewed and the officer punished.

This coming from someone who believes the Ashley Babbit shooting WAS justified. She was breaking through a door with an angry horde behind her. There was an immediate threat to the officer as well as those he was charged with protecting.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.
 

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As the arbiter of fair, logical and balanced takes on this board, I’ll weigh in.

This was an unjustified shooting. The officer’s life wasn’t in danger and the driver didn’t pose an immediate threat to other civilians. The shooting should be reviewed and the officer punished.

This coming from someone who believes the Ashley Babbit shooting WAS justified. She was breaking through a door with an angry horde behind her. There was an immediate threat to the officer as well as those he was charged with protecting.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.
I really don't understand in what world this would even be debatable, or the two circumstances compared in any way (as has been done in this thread)
 

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ok help me out here. To me iCE agents were sent to Minneapolis to find and arrest illegal migrants,

Is there another reason? you said it seems clear..is this the same clear reason in your mind or is there another?
I think the reason is political. If they are there to go after Somalians. 83% of the Somalian population there is naturalized. Its a show of force, its intent, to intimidate the population of a democratic city. Over policing, has been studied and it leads to outcomes like this. So either: 1)The government is just the good guys and their intent is noble, but they are using a bazooka to hit a nail, or 2) They are hoping to raise the pressure on folks that disagree with them, put them in jails, create chaos and intimidate. This could be a calculated move to drum up support for martial law and to suspend elections.
 
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I think the reason is political. If they are there to go after Somalians. 83% of the Somalian population there is naturalized. Its a show of force, its intent, to intimidate the population of a democratic city. Over policing, has been studied and it leads to outcomes like this. So either: 1)The government is just the good guys and their intent is noble, but they are using a bazooka to hit a nail, or 2) They are hoping to raise the pressure on folks that disagree with them, put them in jails, create chaos and intimidate. This could be a calculated move to drum up support for martial law and to suspend elections.
while no one has accurate data - a problem in itself - it is estimated that there are between 78,000 and 130,000 illegal migrants in Minneapolis. I don't know any more than you what the actual reason for ICE to be there, but seems as if it's a "target rich environment" if your stated purpose is immigration enforcement.
 

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while no one has accurate data - a problem in itself - it is estimated that there are between 78,000 and 130,000 illegal migrants in Minneapolis. I don't know any more than you what the actual reason for ICE to be there, but seems as if it's a "target rich environment" if your stated purpose is immigration enforcement.
The president is blatantly going after his political enemies. Walz was his political enemy and ran against him as VP and has continued to push back on Trump publicly.

Trump sends ICE en masse to said political enemies biggest city

Trump's admin does their "fraud" thing as if it's new and not 2 years out of date, to rally his base and cause havoc on Walz's state

ICE agents just tried to forcibly remove a woman from her car, who was clearly a citizen (she was white and not even brown!) and then shot her in cold blood

All of this is retribution to Walz and the state of Minnesota because they are Trump and his admin's "political enemy."

These are just facts
 
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