Academics and Grad Transfers

[LathamLad]

I once took a degree from University of Denver, and today received an email from its athletics department, trumpeting its 96% Graduation Success Rate for all sports. Impressive.

Probably NU is in much the same neighborhood of percentage, but I assume it's based on undergraduate degrees. One wonders: is a similar metric kept for grad student athletes (including transfers)? My guess is it's a much lower % of completed graduate degrees -- but is such a record even kept? Anyone know?

 

[WestCoastWildcat]

It would be interesting to know what the education experience is for undergrad and grad student athletes and what their daily&weekly schedules are like. It would be of interest what fields the grad students are receiving advanced degrees, I assume many are going after MBA’s. It still must be a challenge during the regular season to attend classes and practice sessions and travel for out of town games. Participation in college sports is a full-time job, pretty much year-round with training and spring practices.

 

[AdamOnFirst]

It would be interesting to know what the education experience is for undergrad and grad student athletes and what their daily&weekly schedules are like. It would be of interest what fields the grad students are receiving advanced degrees, I assume many are going after MBA’s. It still must be a challenge during the regular season to attend classes and practice sessions and travel for out of town games. Participation in college sports is a full-time job, pretty much year-round with training and spring practices.

They aren’t getting MBAs, they’re getting masters in management.

 

[Baz = Heisman]

They aren’t getting MBAs, they’re getting masters in management.

That’s not completely correct. There is a newish one year MBA program that I know a few of our FB grad transfers did recently.

 

[mickbula]

That’s not completely correct. There is a newish one year MBA program that I know a few of our FB grad transfers did recently.

Some grad student transfers just attend fall quarter though correct? I’d stay the whole year for the extra degree. Baz, I find it hard to believe Kellogg would give mba in just one year though. Are you certain about this?? If true that would be a big prize for recruitment

 

[Darren72]

Some grad student transfers just attend fall quarter though correct? I’d stay the whole year for the extra degree. Baz, I find it hard to believe Kellogg would give mba in just one year though. Are you certain about this?? If true that would be a big prize for recruitment

One-Year MBA Program | Kellogg Accelerated MBA

Kellogg’s One-Year Full-Time MBA Program builds on your experience & accelerates your transition back into the workforce with new skills and knowledge.

www.kellogg.northwestern.edu

 

[Sheffielder]

Some grad student transfers just attend fall quarter though correct? I’d stay the whole year for the extra degree. Baz, I find it hard to believe Kellogg would give mba in just one year though. Are you certain about this?? If true that would be a big prize for recruitment

I can confirm there is a one-year Kellogg MBA program, which is a new trend in business programs - all about figuring out how to get bodies to enroll and put those employer tuition bennies to use.

One thing I will mention: when I was in graduate school at NU (SESP), about half of my classes were in Kellogg. It became very clear to me very quickly that the Kellogg full-timers looked down on the TMPers (The Manager's Program - part-time MBA for working professionals often taking night classes) - to the extent that I would hear people ask "yeah, but were they full-time or TMP?"

I bet the one-year program people are regarded even lower than the TMPers - not unlike degrees acquired from the University of Phoenix and "Global" Campuses. (not saying this is right or wrong)

 

[mickbula]

I can confirm there is a one-year Kellogg MBA program, which is a new trend in business programs - all about figuring out how to get bodies to enroll and put those employer tuition bennies to use.

One thing I will mention: when I was in graduate school at NU (SESP), about half of my classes were in Kellogg. It became very clear to me very quickly that the Kellogg full-timers looked down on the TMPers (The Manager's Program - part-time MBA for working professionals often taking night classes) - to the extent that I would hear people ask "yeah, but were they full-time or TMP?"

I bet the one-year program people are regarded even lower than the TMPers - not unlike degrees acquired from the University of Phoenix and "Global" Campuses. (not saying this is right or wrong)

What do the future potential employers see on resumes? I guess this is what is important? I figure if the athlete completes it while playing and working out with team it would translate into being “a great team player???” And a high probability of job offer??

 

[Eurocat]

That’s not completely correct. There is a newish one year MBA program that I know a few of our FB grad transfers did recently.

Sports Management?

Sports Administration, MA | Northwestern University Academic Catalog

catalogs.northwestern.edu

 

[Eurocat]

One-Year MBA Program | Kellogg Accelerated MBA

Kellogg’s One-Year Full-Time MBA Program builds on your experience & accelerates your transition back into the workforce with new skills and knowledge.

www.kellogg.northwestern.edu

I think this is meant for forty year olds taking a year off, "between jobs" after a firing, etc, not for "just out of college" men (but that is I guess, I could be wrong).

 

[Sheffielder]

What do the future potential employers see on resumes? I guess this is what is important? I figure if the athlete completes it while playing and working out with team it would translate into being “a great team player???” And a high probability of job offer??

I don't want to belabor the point but many employers have definitely evolved to sniff out "degrees of convenience" hidden behind brand names.

On the other point though, I can also say that applications from Division I scholarship athletes have turned heads in any industry where I've worked (especially the ones who present as smart).

 

[Baz = Heisman]

I think this is meant for forty year olds taking a year off, "between jobs" after a firing, etc, not for "just out of college" men (but that is I guess, I could be wrong).

I mean idk what the overall composition is but we definitely have had players from 2020-now take it.

 

[Sheffielder]

I mean idk what the overall composition is but we definitely have had players from 2020-now take it.

I have no doubt it's marketed to grad transfers as a very attractive option. I think these programs are intended for people with work experience but I also think they exist first and foremost to generate revenue - the fact that we can put players in the program instead of some other BS alternative is just an added benefit.

 

[AdamOnFirst]

One-Year MBA Program | Kellogg Accelerated MBA

Kellogg’s One-Year Full-Time MBA Program builds on your experience & accelerates your transition back into the workforce with new skills and knowledge.

www.kellogg.northwestern.edu

How do you do a full-time executive MBA program while playing football?

 

[Darren72]

How do you do a full-time executive MBA program while playing football?

The one I linked to is not an executive MBA.

 

[Purple Pile Driver]

I can confirm there is a one-year Kellogg MBA program, which is a new trend in business programs - all about figuring out how to get bodies to enroll and put those employer tuition bennies to use.

One thing I will mention: when I was in graduate school at NU (SESP), about half of my classes were in Kellogg. It became very clear to me very quickly that the Kellogg full-timers looked down on the TMPers (The Manager's Program - part-time MBA for working professionals often taking night classes) - to the extent that I would hear people ask "yeah, but were they full-time or TMP?"

I bet the one-year program people are regarded even lower than the TMPers - not unlike degrees acquired from the University of Phoenix and "Global" Campuses. (not saying this is right or wrong)

The arrogance on the NU students pops up again.

 

[GatoLouco]

I can confirm there is a one-year Kellogg MBA program, which is a new trend in business programs - all about figuring out how to get bodies to enroll and put those employer tuition bennies to use.

One thing I will mention: when I was in graduate school at NU (SESP), about half of my classes were in Kellogg. It became very clear to me very quickly that the Kellogg full-timers looked down on the TMPers (The Manager's Program - part-time MBA for working professionals often taking night classes) - to the extent that I would hear people ask "yeah, but were they full-time or TMP?"

I bet the one-year program people are regarded even lower than the TMPers - not unlike degrees acquired from the University of Phoenix and "Global" Campuses. (not saying this is right or wrong)

It’s been almost 25 years, but it was harder to get into the FT program than the PT. Higher GMAT for sure.

Yet, as a TMP’er, I found it very boring to have classes with the full timers. I had like 4 in the Evanston campus. They were all in student mode. Spent way too much class time on their computers. It was just one more class. The class discussion suffered immensely. It was so much poorer than the classes downtown, composed of part timers.

 

[Sheffielder]

It’s been almost 25 years, but it was hard to get into the FT program than the PT. Higher GMAT for sure.

Yet, as a TMP’er I found it very boring to have classes with the full timers. I had like 4 in the Evanston campus. They were all in student mode. Spent way too much class time on their computers. It was just one more class. The class discussion suffered immensely. It was so much poorer than the classes downtown, composed of part timers.

I had classes with both populations - I'll refrain from commenting on the students themselves but I can tell you with certainty many of the same professors taught the same classes for both programs, so the tribalism is stupid - the only difference I could discern was from the admission requirements, which you cited.

 

[GatoLouco]

I had classes with both populations - I'll refrain from commenting on the students themselves but I can tell you with certainty many of the same professors taught the same classes for both programs, so the tribalism is stupid - the only difference I could discern was from the admission requirements, which you cited.

20 vs 24 credits required at the time. Another difference. Though you could take an additional 3 credits for free, as a PT’er, if you wanted to.

 

[JustGary]

20 vs 24 credits required at the time. Another difference. Though you could take an additional 3 credits for free, as a PT’er, if you wanted to.

I believe the program was originally geared for businesses to send their very top employees who show senior executive leadership potential to a program that removes them from the work environment for one year while still getting full pay. Different from the executive programs which have you take classes while still working your normal job.

 

[Frodofromtheshire]

This is the MM program athletes are likely taking. This is for recent graduates and offers a path to a regular MBA.

Master in Management | Kellogg School of Management

Through the Master in Management program you can gain skills & knowledge to succeed in a variety of business settings. Explore the program today!

www.kellogg.northwestern.edu