Players getting Released from their Teams; is this going to now be a "thing?"

[Franisdaman]

3 star LB coming out of high school.

Maguire Richman - Blue Valley - Linebacker

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[Max Rebo]

It should be.

If players are going to have the power to hit the portal every year, teams need to have the power to move players off the roster.

 

[The Big Z]

3 star LB coming out of high school.

Maguire Richman - Blue Valley - Linebacker

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There's got to be more to the story.

 

[Franisdaman]

It should be.

If players are going to have the power to hit the portal every year, teams need to have the power to move players off the roster.

How long ago was it that the B1G said that scholarship offers were for 4 years? I guess that's out the window now?

 

[Palmerhawk]

Mason richman was from Kansas as well...related?

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

I mean....you can "cut" players for any number of reasons. There's very few things legally preventing coaching staffs from doing this.

 

[Max Rebo]

How long ago was it that the B1G said that scholarship offers were for 4 years? I guess that's out the window now?

It needs to be.

You can't have two parties entering into an agreement, with one party bound to a 4-year commitment and the other party free to leave whenever they want.

 

[Zapuj268]

Mason richman was from Kansas as well...related?

His brother.

 

[Franisdaman]

It needs to be.

You can't have two parties entering into an agreement, with one party bound to a 4-year commitment and the other party free to leave whenever they want.

I hate pro...I mean, college, sports....

 

[DuddyB]

It should be.

If players are going to have the power to hit the portal every year, teams need to have the power to move players off the roster.

Something about wanting their cake and eating it too.

 

[Hawk-A-Doodle-Doo]

They wanted to be considered, treated like, and PAID like professionals. Welcome to how professionals are considered, treated and paid (or not paid) when they don't perform or no longer fit the organization's needs.

This is what they wanted. They have to take the bad with the good.

 

[EbbyCalvin]

How long ago was it that the B1G said that scholarship offers were for 4 years? I guess that's out the window now?

Yep. With players now being professionals, the existing remnants of the amateur world might as well be abandoned.

 

[QChawks]

we need contracts!

 

[squeezebox_1]

Well, they are guaranteed yet by the BIG and he held an Iowa offer.

 

[uihawk82]

It needs to be.

You can't have two parties entering into an agreement, with one party bound to a 4-year commitment and the other party free to leave whenever they want.

Oh you mean like head coaches?

 

[WeBeHerkin]

Well, they are guaranteed yet by the BIG and he held an Iowa offer.

So we had offered him?

 

[LetsGoHawks83]

we need contracts!

Yep. I'd think it would be mutually beneficial.

You know there are players AND teams that would much rather sign a 2, 3, or 4 year agreement.

Now it's MAYBE a one season agreement, but seems like either side can abandon that mid-season too. TORAL CHAOS.

Anything in the rules or preventing multi-year contacts? There must be something, since no one is doing it.

 

[LetsGoHawks83]

Oh you mean like head coaches?

These are financial consequences for head coaches leaving.... Their next team just flips the bill for that buyout though.

 

[squeezebox_1]

So we had offered him?

yup

 

[hawkeyebob1962]

It should be.

If players are going to have the power to hit the portal every year, teams need to have the power to move players off the roster.

Exactly. Players that are truly worth keeping--starters, role players, specia team-ers, whatever--will be kept. Simple as that.

 

[hawkeyebob1962]

How long ago was it that the B1G said that scholarship offers were for 4 years? I guess that's out the window now?

When the courts said players can go wherever, whenever, that ended--rightly so--the protection/security of 4-year scholarships.

 

[Trakker]

Oh you mean like head coaches?

You dont think the coaches have this covered in their contracts?

Apparently you have never heard of a buy out?

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

It should be.

If players are going to have the power to hit the portal every year, teams need to have the power to move players off the roster.

^This

What’s good for the goose…

 

[10khawk]

Incentive clauses have to be next, 100 yard game gets a grand, get a pick here’s $5k. Etc

 

[WeBeHerkin]

yup

Did not know that. Met his Mom once post game and she just started talking to my son. Super nice family.

 

[WeBeHerkin]

Put the Venmos on the jerseys.

 

[Hawk-A-Doodle-Doo]

When the courts said players can go wherever, whenever, that ended--rightly so--the protection/security of 4-year scholarships.

Exactly. And if the Big Ten is still guaranteeing them, they need to stop. Right now, the players operate in a 100% reward/0% risk environment. They can move with utter impunity. Put themselves out to bid at any time. Opt out of playing in games with zero consequences. It's a fantasy land that no other paid individual operates in.

Sooo....time for them to see the other side of being a paid professional. We already have Washington suing their QB who signed a multi-million dollar contract then almost immediately hit the portal. Ol' Doodle has come around to the way of thinking that the players absolutely deserve a slice of the pie that they help create. Almost no one is left who believes the players should get scholarships and stipends and that's plenty enough. But this has turned into a gross overcorrection of monumental (but hopefully not insurmountable) proportions. Perhaps a little punitive action can help curtail the wild west, anything goes mentality that the players exclusively enjoy and benefit from. It's high time a downside is introduced into the equation (contracts with payback clauses, cuts, non-competes, transfer limits, eligibility reductions, loss of benefits including scholarships and immediate termination of room and board, etc.) to go along with all the upside.

 

[Opie Oids]

Preach. Players should get a scholarship or NIL - not both. If they opt for the latter, force both sides to sign a legally-binding contract.

 

[hawkeyebob1962]

Exactly. And if the Big Ten is still guaranteeing them, they need to stop. Right now, the players operate in a 100% reward/0% risk environment. They can move with utter impunity. Put themselves out to bid at any time. Opt out of playing in games with zero consequences. It's a fantasy land that no other paid individual operates in.

Sooo....time for them to see the other side of being a paid professional. We already have Washington suing their QB who signed a multi-million dollar contract then almost immediately hit the portal. Ol' Doodle has come around to the way of thinking that the players absolutely deserve a slice of the pie that they help create. Almost no one is left who believes the players should get scholarships and stipends and that's plenty enough. But this has turned into a gross overcorrection of monumental (but hopefully not insurmountable) proportions. Perhaps a little punitive action can help curtail the wild west, anything goes mentality that the players exclusively enjoy and benefit from. It's high time a downside is introduced into the equation (contracts with payback clauses, cuts, non-competes, transfer limits, eligibility reductions, loss of benefits including scholarships and immediate termination of room and board, etc.) to go along with all the upside.

I like the way you think!

 

[oldxbbc]

3 star LB coming out of high school.

Maguire Richman - Blue Valley - Linebacker

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More and more “evidence “ that amateur collegiate athletics is over, at least to old timers like me. No more walkons who work their rears off to contribute in their jr/sr years. No more learning the system before excelling when their career is over(see Gronowski). Miss days gone by of college sports.

 

[Pharcyded]

we need contracts!

Why that hasn't happened yet is baffling. If I'm paying a kids hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars, you better damn believe there is a contract involved.

 

[whynot?]

I hate pro...I mean, college, sports....

Watching it crash and burn.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

They wanted to be considered, treated like, and PAID like professionals. Welcome to how professionals are considered, treated and paid (or not paid) when they don't perform or no longer fit the organization's needs.

This is what they wanted. They have to take the bad with the good.

Sorry, this just came to my head....

 

[Hawktech]

3 star LB coming out of high school.

Maguire Richman - Blue Valley - Linebacker

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Scholarships are renewed annually. Rare is it that one is taken away, except for obvious reasons. Like PP from the Alfraud days.

 

[Franisdaman]

Preach. Players should get a scholarship or NIL - not both. If they opt for the latter, force both sides to sign a legally-binding contract.

it would be interesting to see what that would save the universities

Example: I am sure Grownowski was considered "out of state;" he didn't pay a dime for that out of state tuition, food, etc. He also reportedly earned $1.3M in "NIL."

It's crazy what these players are earning now ANNUALLY.

 

[Franisdaman]

Why that hasn't happened yet is baffling. If I'm paying a kids hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars, you better damn believe there is a contract involved.

I agree with you.

Remember the game that Kadyn Proctor played with Iowa? He entered the transfer portal, committed to Iowa, got paid (reportedly) over $100,000, then DECOMMITEED and then RECOMMITTED to Alabama.

A big donor lost every penny of that money.

 

[WeBeHerkin]

I agree with you.

Remember the game that Kadyn Proctor played with Iowa? He entered the transfer portal, committed to Iowa, got paid (reportedly) over $100,000, then DECOMMITEED and then RECOMMITTED to Alabama.

A big donor lost every penny of that money.

They got cat fished.

 

[Old_wrestling_fan2]

Put the Venmos on the jerseys.

Hashtag, hashtag..."Keep me on the roster...pay up".

 

[Old_wrestling_fan2]

More and more “evidence “ that amateur collegiate athletics is over, at least to old timers like me. No more walkons who work their rears off to contribute in their jr/sr years. No more learning the system before excelling when their career is over(see Gronowski). Miss days gone by of college sports.

In addition to that ^^, which I agree with, what we have going on now is a glorified version of a "shirts and skins" pickup game...and who goes to watch those? With the extremely fluid rosters nowadays the average fan can barely keep track of who the players are, let alone develop a following over time.

I think the college/scholarship model of D1 sports is a dead man walking. I am curious how many more months/years it will last...I don't think it can be long, IMO.

 

[52317Hawk]

There's got to be more to the story.

There's got to be more to the story.

Probably has to do with the coaching change and new coaches taking inventory. Guessing he probably didn't fit the "new" defensive scheme. Just a guess.