Everyone who broke into the building and rioted deserved what they got. yes. And should've been worse- a group of rabid people tried to violently stop the peaceful transition of power over a conspiracy theory. Its insane. They should all be in jail or worse
Minnesota - ICE Agent Shoots Woman Protester In Car - Happened Again - Both Justified
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I don't think it takes a genius to conclude that Noem and Trump shouldn't be offering comments like they did, or that even if there were kernels of truth in those comments, they went way too far over their skis on the substance.
That said, what a strange thing to see a picture of a president actually sitting and interacting with reporters in real time on something like this.
wasn't really going there, but no. I have a hard time imagining any recent president doing something like this, other than perhaps Bill Clinton early in his first term before David Gergen replaced Harry Thomassen as the de facto white house chief of staff as an adult to run the show.Could you imagine Biden attempting this
it's actually sort of funny if you think about it. A very big reason that Trump was elected in his first term IMO was because the media overexposed him during the campaign, because they thought he was different, funny, unpredictable,and most importantly, a TV celebrity, and certainly not someone who might actually defeat a seasoned politician like a Jeb Bush, let alone the heir apparent Hillary! Now, here we are years later, where they sort of learned their error the first time around during the election cycle, but once elected, his initial threats to curate the WH press corps were met with such backlash that there is always someone to push out his every tweet, phart, or press availability statements and trumpet it to the hills.
I personally don't believe the principle that all publicity is good publicity, even bad publicity, but it's hard to deny that he's somehow made it work for him in a perverse sort of way.
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btw. lol at all the leftist constitutionalists itt. Yall were banning and canceling people for words. Literal physicians being deplatformed for just asking a question. Yall familiar with that first amendment?
If LE gives you an order yall don’t abide but if someone says a man can’t be a woman their life needs to be destroyed. Weirdos.
If LE gives you an order yall don’t abide but if someone says a man can’t be a woman their life needs to be destroyed. Weirdos.
Hey so you're a sick person. You're siding with literal masked men with guns trying to force a woman out of her car and then shot her in cold blood.
You voted for this. You own it. Hell ofc you own it, you're rationalizing it. But rationalize away, you're the party of militarized police murdering it's own citizens.
Disgusting
Don't waste your time showing them anything that goes against their narrative. They won't watch it. They just repeat anything Cheeto Benito says and that's that.
It's a weird thing among MAGAts and cons, how they view governmental authority and citizen's rights ... they question just about everything involving the government ... except for the things they should question most. For example, the Framers considered our own military to be the single biggest threat to our freedom/liberty (through their personal experiences) ... yet MAGAts/cons worship the military. Citizens need to shut up and let the military do whatever it wants. The military needs to be huge. It's huge, make it huger ... keep biggering, and biggering. Don't question spending. You are unAmerican if you don't fully support the military, and all the symbols and rituals to promote it.
But that's not how it should be. It should be a reluctant handing over of power to the military. Since they have the most power, they should be the MOST heavily scrutinized.
Law enforcement is treated similarly, and also has the same general power dynamic. Especially federal law enforcement. They're imbued with the most power, so they should also be the most scrutinized.
Instead, modern day MAGAts and cons focus on attacking everything else in government. We don't need to help people. We don't need the federal government making standards for [insert current pet peeve here]. Every other department is either useless and a waste of money, or corrupt to its core.
Absolutely citizens have the right and duty to tell ICE "what to do" (i.e. monitor them and ensure they're acting correctly). They don't have a right to do illegal things toward this end, of course.
But they also have a right to not have illegal things done to them, regardless of how they act.
We appreciate your emotional rant that included a made up position for you to rage against. It is duly noted.
Once again, you're making up fake positions and/or falsely attributing them to certain individuals, in order to justify your illogical, emotional rants and poorly thought out positions. It doesn't work.
Dude should have taken a class on how to not get your *** kicked on national TV by Will Smith.
Of course you’re a Will Smith fan. He’s a well known cuck and closet homosexual
Military affinity is nothing new in American culture. To be sure, the Founders were obviously circumspect about it, as reflected in the prohibitions on quartering of troops and the separation of war powers among the legislature and executive.
I suppose if one had to point to where it took root, I'd probably go back to the populist Andy Jackson. Harrison of course ran his election on it. Then about two decades of post-civil war generals, TR, Ike, JFK, Bush, Carter, etc. And of course the emergence of political forces like the GAR, the VFW, SCV, American Legion, etc. And of course the military experience of WWII created a new socioeconomic confidence that filtered down to about 3 generations of people. More recently, a generation that stepped up after 9/11. With our history - both distant and recent - it should hardly come as a surprise that it's fertile ground for many things, including government spending and legal deference.
As to law enforcement, you're right that there's a federal v state dichotomy out there. Again, when did that arise? Each in their own way, I suppose you have to pin that on JEdgar and Bobby Kennedy. Personally I think Holder grew that capital in a material way, and it's continually eroded (as has he) since. Why is that? Well, I suspect he built it to focus on a particular type of crime, and now it's having to deal with very different types of crime that are, shall we say, less genteel.
The weird thing is, so many of the current putative abuses involve situations where congress has built the machine, and worse yet, granted broad discretion to operate it. i do hope that in the next decade there is a very hard look at our authorizations and spending with a historical eye to our recent experience.
Whether it's new or not, and the history behind it ... while informative ... isn't the issue. It's the fact that the philosophical/ideological disconnect and dissonance exist at all, regardless of how and when it came to be. This is especially the case since MAGAts/cons claim to be "originalists" ... and I'm using that term loosely, not to just speak directly to Constitutional analysis terms. That is how they justify much of who they are and how they think. Yet, they seem to act and think in a completely contradictory manner. Not much different than when they claim to be religious, but act judging and hateful as their baseline behavior.
The salient point, as it pertains to the instant issue is that the other poster was quite incorrect that we should just be good boys and girls and listen to whatever the good authority figure says, regardless of the legality of such ... and hope we make it through so we can redress it on the back end. Instead, we should be be a proactive citizenry. Engaged, prior and in the moment. That doesn't mean giving up our right to redress past grievances ... it just means we have the right, and some might say, philosophically, the "duty" to try to make sure they don't happen to begin with, or are cut off as they are happening.
Then leave and don't let the door hit you in the *** on the way out.
Kind of like having people fired or deported for what they said about Charlie Kirk?
Deported? Haven’t heard that. As far as being fired, that’s fair game brother. Especially in right to work states.
A day after Kirk was killed on a Utah college campus, a top State Department official vowed to take "appropriate action" against any visa-holders who praise or make light of Kirk's death — and invited people to send in any concerning posts that they see.
Days later, Secretary of State Marco Rubio said, "visa revocations are under way."
Always looking for a place to drop your random, unrelated propaganda posts aren't you? The difference between these two situations is the one I posted showed a guy who mirrors the leadership of this country - a guy who would likely be pardoned if he committed any violence.
The one you posted showed a person that everyone on the left and right would disavow, and especially a democratic president.
At times, I feel like he represents the people in power right now. You know Stephen Miller would applaud.
So you're more focused on the woman understandably saying FU to a far-right agitator who said "“The storm is here!…No one can stop what is coming…We executed one of you yesterday”
How did your moral compass get so corrupted?
You can’t be serious?? So there weren’t thousands celebrating the death of CK? We had Clemson professors celebrating just like the lib freak above , so don’t give me that sh!!t!
"America will not host foreigners who celebrate the death of our fellow citizens," Rubio said on X.
- "Visa revocations are under way. If you are here on a visa and cheering on the public assassination of a political figure, prepare to be deported. You are not welcome in this country."
You don’t have to know them personally. Can you prove that anyone has been deported though??
Let me try again in a way that your one brain cell can compute. Our current administration, drunk on cruelty, behaves at times like the agitator in my clip and would pardon him if he committed violence. FACT
A democratic administration would not behave like the people celebrating Kirk's death, nor would they lift a finger to help them if they committed a violent act. FACT
I am curious how the murderer just hopped into a vehicle and drove away from an active crime scene. There is absolutely nothing about this situation that seems right.
You are fixated on strange things. Can you prove the murderer acted in self defense?
hadn't thought about that. Are you sure he got in a car and left or is that speculation? I didn't see any film subsequent to the shooting.
I would question all of this:
"The agent has over 10 years of experience as an ICE Deportation Officer and is on the agency’s Special Response Team, which requires 30 hours of tryouts to be considered, Assistant Secretary Tricia McLaughlin said in a statement. She did not say how long the agent had been on the Special Response Team.
To qualify for the team, agents are required to participate in a basic operator course, maintain expert marksman qualification on all issued firearms, and have ongoing training in specialized skills like “breaching techniques, perimeter control, advanced firearms training, hostage rescue, and more,” she said."
"The agent has over 10 years of experience as an ICE Deportation Officer and is on the agency’s Special Response Team, which requires 30 hours of tryouts to be considered, Assistant Secretary Tricia McLaughlin said in a statement. She did not say how long the agent had been on the Special Response Team.
To qualify for the team, agents are required to participate in a basic operator course, maintain expert marksman qualification on all issued firearms, and have ongoing training in specialized skills like “breaching techniques, perimeter control, advanced firearms training, hostage rescue, and more,” she said."
not sure where you're going on this, but doesn't the film show what happened. Different people can take from the video what they want, and have, but the sequence of events is pretty clear.
Now as to what the officer was thinking at the time, only he knows.