OT: Cignatti at Indiana
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He did that at JMU. How many Heisman votes did Mendoza get at Cal?
Why? He brought many JMU kids with him who he recruited and developed to be huge contributors. He got some other under-utilized, under-developed players from other schools too. All in all, for two years he’s done more with less than probably any other coach ever.
Sure, it’s not a team of bums but he’s maximized the play of the roster
As many of us have been saying, Cuban didn’t donate until after Cignetti’s first successful year.
Year 1 is proof of concept then you can get them to jump on the bandwagon.
Somebody donated big the first year, as the AD said that Indiana invested $60 million into football in the first two years of Cignetti's tenure
That number isn’t necessarily NIL, rather their spend on all football related operations, including a $15 million buyout for their fired coach.
Our AD could say we “invest $65 million” into football on an annual basis and it would be factually correct. The point I’m making is that Cignetti had a great first year, and now donations are ramping up. A great mix of results and NIL momentum imo
If you think that Cignetti took the job without a guarantee of major NIL funds, from day one, I have a bridge to sell you.
Somebody needed to pay for that stupid Bison mascot costume…
he is a really good coach- not denying it but also in this new world of college football- you can't base his team off of their HS rankings.
Mark Cuban is involved with Cost Plus Drugs. One of my doctors told me about this company when we were gonna be charged $800 for some drug that he had prescribed for me. We called Cost Plus Drugs and they got it for me for $15. Apparently he works out some kind of deals with pharmaceutical companies that saves people a ton of money on their prescription drug purchases.
Thanks, Mark.
You’ll have a hard time finding me having said that anywhere. Guarantees a great, they don’t mean all that much. What you will find is dozens of people on this site and elsewhere saying Cuban bought all of their success which has never been accurate
That’s been his pet project for a while, good to see it’s working out thus far
True. The players he recruited at JMU that came with him to Indiana are much better players now than they were in HS, in large part because of coaching. Some people here seem to believe that he's using Cuban's millions to poach All-Americans from from National Championship teams. In reality, he's getting good football players from lower level conferences that the blueblood programs wouldn't bother with and turning them into a team. A very good one.
And now he gets to use the money to bring in even better players. Scary thought
Joe Torre was not a winning manager with the Mets - but won big with the Yankees.
Given enough resources coaching and managing talent rises.
Given enough resources coaching and managing talent rises.
Without Cuban money- does he have a heisman winning number 1 draft pick as his QB this past year?
They have a total of 4 4 stars on the entire team. The other teams have 5-6 X that not to mention 5 stars.
The money allowed him to buy players he either already developed or bought and developed more. It’s utterly insane incredible what he’s doing.
Yea can’t let facts get in the way. Pointed this out very early on. But was told because Mark donated money to the library in 2005 this allowed Indiana to allocate money to football 20 years later. The amount of mental gymnastics people use to discount what Cognetti has done is amazing.
Yep- by buying Kurtis Rourke who was 9th in Heisman voting and drafted by the 49'ers...And now, after buying Mendoza, he was able to up the payout even more to $7 mil for 2 years...
Cigs is a very good coach but he has been afforded a lot of money to do so.
I don't think anyone is discounting what he is doing. He is very good. But many are discounting that he does have a barrel of cash sitting there to allow him to choose the very best portal prospects. And yes, he them makes them even better. But, let's be honest, let's say he had been here the last 2-3 years, does he get us to the CFP and why do you think he would or wouldn't?
I believe he would have had similar results. I said in a prior post. I think Greg would have had different results if he came last versus 6 years ago.
Things changed in the last 6 years. Development programs don’t work anymore. Greg came in asking for infrastructure, facilities and staffing support. Cignetti came in asking for NIL financial support. I think Greg would have been smart enough not to “waste” his first 3 years on development type players. (Waste in time not people). He wouldn’t have put millions into low level staff and raise money for infrastructure.
Cignetti has a system proven at multiple stops and multiple levels. He knows he has a great staff and needs a certain type of player to succeed. He didn’t waste 3 years developing. He brought his boys from JMU picked up a couple key players in position of need and coached them up. Did he catch lightning in a bottle last year? Absolutely. Could he have won 9-12 games here last year with our schedule? With his JMU boys. Absolutely. Shite Greg should have won 8 with our roster.
The thing is…as good of a coach as he is- if he was here, he wouldn’t have the same support and money. Sure, he may have gotten our roster to win 8 or 9 games but Indiana is at a different level with cash flow right now.
At Indiana, he is just reloading Heisman level QB’s right after each other. We are grabbing a kid that may have lost his starting job if he stayed where he is and other players from Maine and such.
It did help that Cigs was extremely familiar with his JMU players and obviously a great QB from Ohio that he would be familiar with.
mans, he is able to have a great staff because he isn’t an AH to them…lol
That’s not what you asked. You asked if he would have similar results. Cignetti like Schiano would not come unless they got what they wanted. Cignetti asked for NIl. Schiano was still doing things the old way 6 years ago. And he asked for infrastructure. Hopefully Schiano would have had different asks coming in last year. People keep talking about how much the Indiana roster cost last year. Cignetti was on record saying he didn’t use all the money raised last year on the roster.
The results would be similar. The superior defensive coaching alone would have been good for at least 6 extra wins over the last 2 seasons. And RU brought in players from the same talent pool Cignetti drew from. The players he brought in played better. Even without the JMU guys, he would have gotten a lot more out of this roster than the current staff did.
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But, this is Rutgers and we would not have been able to provide the same amount of $$$. We can't change that fact. Again- he is a great coach but without the extra $$$ he would not have turned any program from doormat to CFP over night.
Just because he’s still coaching the same way he did 20 years ago doesn’t mean that it works now.
He never adapted year to year, let alone the 17 seasons at Rutgers. Unless the new DC is allowed to be a DC, that will be the ultimate proof that he never will if that Penn State game didn’t do that for you.
That’s just it. You say people aren’t discounting Cignettis ability to coach. Yet here you are discounting what he was able to do. Indiana was in worse shape in the primary sports than RU. Schiano was able to raise the money to get what he was deeming most appropriate. Cignetti raised money for what he deemed most appropriate. The real money for Cignetti didn’t come in until he proved himself last year. Cignetti got a commitment to fund last years roster and didn’t have to use the funds he raised.
Watched a 60 Minutes on Cignetti/IU think it is a few months old. Didn't realize John Cougar Mellancamp gave the program a ton of money years ago to build their indoor practice facility in hopes of helping recruiting...it didn't work. lol
but he's happy now.
but he's happy now.
Where are Bruce Springsteen and Bon Jovi when Rutgers needed/needs them?
@NickRU714 at rutgersal want to pick on us little people for more money.
That is just the problem- and this has been mentioned before- the Rutgers Foundation/R Fund has done a horrible job at harvesting and harpooning the NJ whales that are out there. Maybe if the windmills were built off the Jersey Shore as planned, we would have harvested a few whales.
BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!Where are Bruce Springsteen and Bon Jovi when Rutgers needed/needs them?
@NickRU714 at rutgersal want to pick on us little people for more money.
That is just the problem- and this has been mentioned before- the Rutgers Foundation/R Fund has done a horrible job at harvesting and harpooning the NJ whales that are out there. Maybe if the windmills were built off the Jersey Shore as planned, we would have harvested a few whales.
Instead of complaining about regular fans are too cheap to support Rutgers Football when they don’t donate thousands of dialers, the Super Fans don’t go after the people with the money like the businesses entrenched in the state, the people who have the spendable thousands and/or millions to properly support the team.
This page always tag on Miami and the guys who played for them that they hate so much. But where’s the players from that great 2006 team, or the ones from 2012 who got screwed by Teddy Bridgewater… or the ones who were blessed by Ash… of the world to come back and support THEIR program with money, support, mentorship’s, and other ways to help out the current Rutgers unlike Ray Lewis, Michael Irvin, Edgerin James, and the other UM Alumni. There’s so many alumni featured in those highlights montages every week one or two of them surely should come back here and there like other schools…
Hell, wasn’t the complaint here was that the Alums usually get snubbed almost every year in some halftime ceremony or two.
BUT SURE… ITS THE FANS FAULT THAT RUTGERS DONT HAVE THE MONEY FOR AN INDOOR FACILITY WHILE THAT ACTUAL PLAYERS AND PEOPLE WHO CAN ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT BUT DONT USUALLY HAVE THEIR PARTS GARGLED BY THE SAME PEOPLE.
Where are Bruce Springsteen and Bon Jovi when Rutgers needed/needs them?
@NickRU714 at rutgersal want to pick on us little people for more money.
That is just the problem- and this has been mentioned before- the Rutgers Foundation/R Fund has done a horrible job at harvesting and harpooning the NJ whales that are out there. Maybe if the windmills were built off the Jersey Shore as planned, we would have harvested a few whales.
Whoa.
I don't pick on fans for not donating.
I'm not an AD who preys on fans for unlimited funding.
If I had my way there would be ZERO "donations".
Tickets would just cost what they cost.
Just like every other sport.
Make all the ADs operate on just the money directly generated by the sport.
Instead of "picking" on any fans (small or whale).
I must have misunderstood you in our tectonic shift debate in that other thread. No offense intended. I enjoy going back and forth with you on these topics- you get me out of my mind space, even if you don't change my mind.
Donations are neither limited to Rutgers (obviously) nor the sport of football. I wouldn't call it "picking" on fans