Venezuela Operation Underway

LafayetteBear

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Trump literally just posted on his weird truth social site that the U.S. will directly be receiving millions of barrels of oil directly from Venezuela:

"I am pleased to announce that the Interim Authorities in Venezuela will be turning over between 30 and 50 MILLION Barrels of High Quality, Sanctioned Oil, to the United States of America," the president said on his Truth Social platform. "This Oil will be sold at its Market Price, and that money will be controlled by me, as President of the United States of America, to ensure it is used to benefit the people of Venezuela and the United States!"

This was always and only about oil, no matter what you tell yourself.

Source: literally everywhere, but here
"The money will be controlled by me ..." BWAHAHAHAHA!! It's always about him. What a dumb, narcissistic sociopath.
 

dpic73

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Last time I checked, oil was selling at roughly %60 per barrel. I don't know if that was light, sweet crude oil (which apparently sells for the highest price) or not, but it is clear that the price of crude oil is relatively low right now. But oil prices have a history of yo-yoing, so planning something like the takeover and redevelopment of Venezuela's oil fields takes too long to be "market timed." In reading the various news stories about the invasion of Venezuela, I learned that Venezuelan crude oil is apparently not the highest grade of crude oil, and that it has a higher sulfur content and requires more refining than light, sweet crude oil. Regardless, these oil fields are a fundamental natural resource for Venezuela. I would surprised if the oil companies were completely unwilling to go back in there, even if they had their Venezuelan assets expropriated some years back. There is so much oil to be extracted there that, with appropriate assurances from the U.S. government about the security of their investments, one would think that these oil companies would be more than willing to go back in.
If you watched the Stephanie Ruhle clip, Sonnenfeld said the oil companies had already re-couped their losses by writing them down. Check out the clip if you haven't.
 

dpic73

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If you watched the Stephanie Ruhle clip, Sonnenfeld said the oil companies had already re-couped their losses by writing them down. Check out the clip if you haven't.
In a separate clip, Ruhle claims many of those oil fields are owned by Russian and Chinese companies and when you combine that with a lame-duck president, it's probably more risk than the oil companies want to take on.
 

TigerGrowls

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Of course you trust in Trump. That's what cult followers do. He violated both U.S. and international law in bombing and invading Venezuela and abducting its head of state. Consider how unhappy you would be if a Democratic president bombed and invaded a country whose leader he disapproved of, and then abducted that leader and spirited him off to New York for a show trial.

Maduro lost his most recent popular election, was holding onto power through the military and his connections to foreign states and criminal actors. There seems to be little doubt about that. Venezuela was a sovereign nation in name only. In reality, it was a rogue state.

But decapitating Venezuela's ruling regime means that you have to do a full blown house cleaning and rebuild its governing institutions, or the remaining portions of that regime will simply fill the vacuum. These local militias ("colectivos") are already filling that vacuum. Dislodging them and preventing them from reforming will take boots on the ground in Venezuela, and likely for a protracted period. This is gonna cost a whole lot of money. Query whether Trump and his oil company friends will even be able to get the oil wells back up and pumping oil in any meaningful quantity. As the article that Dpic linked notes, the U.S. may control the ports and oil terminals, but the colectivos control the pipelines and the territory.

Unless Trump has a much more coherent and thought out plan for running Venezuela than he has thus far suggested, it looks like he approved the invasion of Venezuela without much, if any, prior thought about the likely consequences.
Strongly disagree with your analysis.
 

TigerGrowls

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Trump literally just posted on his weird truth social site that the U.S. will directly be receiving millions of barrels of oil directly from Venezuela:

"I am pleased to announce that the Interim Authorities in Venezuela will be turning over between 30 and 50 MILLION Barrels of High Quality, Sanctioned Oil, to the United States of America," the president said on his Truth Social platform. "This Oil will be sold at its Market Price, and that money will be controlled by me, as President of the United States of America, to ensure it is used to benefit the people of Venezuela and the United States!"

This was always and only about oil, no matter what you tell yourself.

Source: literally everywhere, but here
Its about oil and a lot of other stuff.
 

tigres88

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Its about oil and a lot of other stuff.
- Maduro is awful and I'm legitimately very glad Trump and his admin had him removed.

- Capturing him and his wife to "stand trial" in America is stupid

- The Venezuelan people came here in droves legally and illegally for refuge from his regime. He was awful, and America should and did welcome them with open arms, until ICE/the Trump regime who deported tons back to Maduro and his regime.

- Drugs don't really come from Venezuela en masse, and saying this was done in anyway to stop drugs entering the country is simply false.

- This was all about oil, and America is invading another foreign country's space for their oil. It will not go well, as we've seen for decades.

- This was all about asserting dominance over our Hemisphere and taking the goods and resources of those most vulnerable and easily conquered.

All of these things are true and should be lauded/critiqued accordingly imo
 

anon1772460595

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There own people weren't even getting the oil. The oil was funding cartels. At least now it is going to their already crumbling infrastructure. Read my other post where i asked, why do YOU care where the oil goes whenever you havent cared the past 20 years? This regime is responsible for the displacement of over 8 million people. Poverty is at over 80% and they are sitting on the largest oil reserves in the world and also has one of the largest gold deposits. Allowing the experts (chevron/ exxon and the likes) to go BACK into the country would benefit everyone in the region, both directly and indirectly.
Why are you yelling at me? I think Maduro is a PoS like anybody else around here.

I could just as well ask why do you suddenly care about this particular PoS as opposed to the numerous other ones we don’t have a problem with. Why do I care now? Probably has something to do with my country conducting a series of airstrikes to go and kidnap a foreign leader. Yet another act of war done without congressional approval

If we’re gonna do that, we better have our hearts in the right place, and we do not.
 
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TigerGrowls

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Interesting......



🚨 BREAKING | DEVELOPING STORY 🚨
With Nicolás Maduro now inside the U.S. justice system, a major rumor is circulating behind the scenes.
The talk:
Maduro may be trying to cut a deal and that deal could include a list of U.S. politicians allegedly funded or supported (directly or indirectly) by the regime and its cronies.
If true, expect panic, denials, and all-out political warfare.
Do the math.
Watch who suddenly gets loud.
Watch who tries to change the subject.
So far, speculation points mostly at Democrats, with a few Republicans potentially caught in the blast radius too.

everything clicks.
👀🍿 Stay tuned.
 

lctiger843

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Why are you yelling at me? I think Maduro is a PoS like anybody else around here.

I could just as well ask why do you suddenly care about this particular PoS as opposed to the numerous other ones we don’t have a problem with. Why do I care now? Probably has something to do with my country conducting a series of airstrikes to go and kidnap a foreign leader. Yet another act of war done without congressional approval

If we’re gonna do that, we better have our hearts in the right place, and we do not.
Why do I suddenly care? BC I have personally seen the atrocities this regime has committed and the world has done nothing. This was not a kidnapping. HE was wanted fugitive from justice that was captured. He was voted out numerous times. This operation will have a positive impact for everyone in OUR hemisphere.
 

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Im being real not taking a shot. I know the history well most people dont. Its an ugly past and was pretty bad back in WW2. Ukraine pretty much sided with the Nazi's when they invaded Russia....
And there were plenty of good reasons for that. 100% understandable, in my book how many living in ukraine woudl have thought the Germans as liberators, or certainly no worse than Stalin.

PER AI:

Prior to World War II, Joseph Stalin oversaw a series of catastrophic policies and targeted repressions in Ukraine that resulted in millions of deaths and the systematic suppression of Ukrainian national identity. The most significant of these was the Holodomor, a man-made famine that many historians and nations now recognize as a genocide.

1. The Holodomor (1932–1933)
The Holodomor ("death by hunger") was a famine engineered by the Soviet government to break Ukrainian resistance to agricultural collectivization and suppress the growing Ukrainian national liberation movement.
  • Death Toll: An estimated 3.5 million to 7 million Ukrainians died of starvation. At the height of the famine in June 1933, people were dying at a rate of approximately 28,000 per day.
  • Forced Grain Requisition: Stalin imposed unachievable grain quotas on Ukraine. When these were not met, "activist brigades" and secret police were sent to villages to seize every scrap of food, including personal stores and seed grain for the next year.
  • Sealed Borders: To prevent people from escaping the famine, Stalin issued decrees in early 1933 that effectively sealed Ukraine's borders, preventing starving peasants from fleeing to cities or other republics in search of food.
  • Internal Passports: A system of internal passports was introduced to restrict the movement of farmers, trapping them in starving rural areas.
  • "Law of Five Stalks of Grain": Enacted in 1932, this law allowed for the execution or 10-year imprisonment of anyone, including children, caught taking even a handful of grain from a collective field.

2. Dekulakization and Deportations
Starting in 1929, Stalin targeted successful and independent farmers, labeled as "kulaks", as enemies of the state.
  • Elimination as a Class: Millions of families were stripped of their property, homes, and livestock.
  • Mass Deportations: At least 50,000 Ukrainian farm families were forcibly deported to the remote, harsh environments of Siberia and the Urals. Many died during the journey or shortly after arrival due to exposure and a lack of resources.

3. Suppression of Culture and "The Great Terror"
Beyond physical starvation, Stalin launched a systematic attack on the pillars of Ukrainian society to force integration into a "Soviet identity".
  • Liquidation of the Intellectual Elite: During the 1930s, particularly during the Great Purge (1937–1938), Stalin arrested and executed tens of thousands of Ukrainian intellectuals, writers, teachers, and scientists.
  • Religious Persecution: The Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church was destroyed, its clergy arrested or executed, and many churches were closed or demolished.
  • Language Suppression: Policies originally promoting the Ukrainian language were reversed. Officials were ordered to stop using Ukrainian, and Ukrainian-language books were removed from schools and libraries.

4. Resettlement Policies
Following the mass death of Ukrainians in the famine, Stalin's regime resettled hundreds of thousands of ethnic Russians from other parts of the Soviet Union into the depleted Ukrainian villages to provide labor for the collective farms. This significantly altered the demographic makeup of several regions in eastern and southern Ukraine.
 

Moogy

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We know what you said turdley. You thought you were being cute by using a non-comparable whataboutism to pretend that both pardons were the same.

But for the record, Hunter had already paid his dues but Trump threatened to go after him anyway, simply for revenge and since Joe had already tragically lost two other children, he wasn't willing to take a chance with that vengeful orange beast and I can understand that. Hence, that pardon made sense but my question still stands. How does pardoning a narco-trafficking drug kingpin who smuggled 400 TONS of cocaine into this country beneft America?

Can you answer that without another witless whataboutism?

I appreciate your desire for logical discourse, but it's not happening.

@m.knox/@JohnHughsPartner are here for antagonistic trolling only. Treat them like toys to be played with, not humans meant to be conversed with.

In fact, there aren't many/any MAGAts or cons on this board that are anything more than caricatures ... poorly written computer programs meant to convey one narrow personality type ... you know TigerGrowls is just going to continue churning out crazy-facebook-meme level product ... you know the Charlie Kirk avatar guy - whose name escapes me right now he's so inconsequential - is just going to say immature illiterate interpretations of whatever his twitter-handlers-for-profit tell him to think ... Allornothing is just going to curse at you in asterisks without adding a darned thing ... etc.

If you told me that these accounts were poorly coded attempts at programming AI social media activity, I'd believe that before I believed these were actual humans.
 
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Moogy

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Ha maybe next time I should post a book that nobody is gonna take the time to read bc you’re a beta, pvssy that nobody wants around lol

JohnHughsPartner says: "Being able to read and write is pvssy beta stuff! Bring me the next c@ck to shove in my behind! I'm such an alpha bull! I need one in my mouth at the same time, too! Glug glug glug."
 

anon1772460595

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Why do I suddenly care? BC I have personally seen the atrocities this regime has committed and the world has done nothing. This was not a kidnapping. HE was wanted fugitive from justice that was captured. He was voted out numerous times. This operation will have a positive impact for everyone in OUR hemisphere.
I’ve seen what American allies do to dissidents too. He wasn’t any worse ethically, so let’s not act like that’s the fundamental problem.

Anyway, we are in complete agreement that getting rid of him was good for the hemisphere.

If that were our only intention, it would be fine. The President says otherwise. We don’t just have a problem with the communist dictatorships in Venezuela and Cuba, which the world would be well rid of. We also apparently have a problem with Colombia, a democratic country that has worked with us for years and has made legitimate strides since the 90s. What’s the motivation for that? Oh, the guy is left wing, doesn’t like Israel, and most importantly, doesn’t like Trump. Not that he doesn’t like the US, he doesn’t like Trump personally. That’s a sustainable way to operate in your view ?

Colombia’s had to deal with more Venezuelan migrants and literal communist rebels than anyone!
 
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Moogy

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This made absolutely zero sense, but I do like you limps cheerlead for each other lol . It’s admirable

JohnHughsPartner says: "You're a loser beta cuck if you don't get enough likes in here. And you're a loser beta cuck if you get support from other posters in here. I have no idea what I'm saying ... I'm just trolling for attention, even if I have to contradict myself to do so!"
 
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JohnHughsPartner

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I appreciate your desire for logical discourse, but it's not happening.

@m.knox/@JohnHughsPartner are here for antagonistic trolling only. Treat them like toys to be played with, not humans meant to be conversed with.

In fact, there aren't many/any MAGAts or cons on this board that are anything more than caricatures ... poorly written computer programs meant to convey one narrow personality type ... you know TigerGrowls is just going to continue churning out crazy-facebook-meme level product ... you know the Charlie Kirk avatar guy - whose name escapes me right now he's so inconsequential - is just going to say immature illiterate interpretations of whatever his twitter-handlers-for-profit tell him to think ... Allornothing is just going to curse at you in asterisks without adding a darned thing ... etc.

If you told me that these accounts were poorly coded attempts at programming AI social media activity, I'd believe that before I believed these were actual humans.
Holy sh!!t you are one pathetic soul. I’m sure you enjoy treating your boyfriends/sig other like toys, but leave me out of it. That’s fn disgusting , ( even for a freak weirdo that goes “SimplyComplicated
 

JohnHughsPartner

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JohnHughsPartner says: "You're a loser beta cuck if you don't get enough likes in here. And you're a loser beta cuck if you get support from other posters in here. I have no idea what I'm saying ... I'm just trolling for attention, even if I have to contradict myself to do so!"
You’re on one today. Tanning bed lotion sales not going well? 🤣
 

m.knox

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I appreciate your desire for logical discourse, but it's not happening.

@m.knox/@JohnHughsPartner are here for antagonistic trolling only. Treat them like toys to be played with, not humans meant to be conversed with.

In fact, there aren't many/any MAGAts or cons on this board that are anything more than caricatures ... poorly written computer programs meant to convey one narrow personality type ... you know TigerGrowls is just going to continue churning out crazy-facebook-meme level product ... you know the Charlie Kirk avatar guy - whose name escapes me right now he's so inconsequential - is just going to say immature illiterate interpretations of whatever his twitter-handlers-for-profit tell him to think ... Allornothing is just going to curse at you in asterisks without adding a darned thing ... etc.

If you told me that these accounts were poorly coded attempts at programming AI social media activity, I'd believe that before I believed these were actual humans.

LOL... You are psychotic. Get help.
 

Moogy

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Holy sh!!t you are one pathetic soul. I’m sure you enjoy treating your boyfriends/sig other like toys, but leave me out of it. That’s fn disgusting , ( even for a freak weirdo that goes “SimplyComplicated
Home O'Fluffigan's mind went right to using toys on dudes. His mind is always on gay sex. Even among your usual sad, desperate cries for attention, this post is bottom barrel. Don't get excited that I called you a bottom.

Glad to see you highlighted to everyone that you can't read or write, though. Nice touch. Tell us more about how you can't read "books."
 

JohnHughsPartner

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Home O'Fluffigan's mind went right to using toys on dudes. His mind is always on gay sex. Even among your usual sad, desperate cries for attention, this post is bottom barrel. Don't get excited that I called you a bottom.

Glad to see you highlighted to everyone that you can't read or write, though. Nice touch. Tell us more about how you can't read "books."
lol, so not only do you sell tanning bed lotions, you’re also the grammar police? My god what a colossal ph@ggot
 

Moogy

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lol, so not only do you sell tanning bed lotions, you’re also the grammar police? My god what a colossal ph@ggot
It's not being the "grammar police" to point out that , ( even for a freak weirdo that goes “SimplyComplicated" is the creation of someone who is illiterate, and has cried many times in the past that normal length posts are "books" that he won't/can't read.

And, once again, after being called out for his fixation on homosexuality, he hurls another homophobic insult. Your wrists are so limp that they just flap in the wind. Like your butt hole.
 

TigerGrowls

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Good analysis.



"China can buy all the oil they want from us.”

Seven words. The de-dollarization thesis just died.

Trump to oil executives Friday: Russia and China can purchase Venezuelan crude. But they purchase it through American firms. In American dollars. Under American terms.

Three hundred billion barrels. The largest proven reserves on Earth. Controlled by the United States.

For a decade, the entire BRICS architecture was built on one premise: escape dollar dependency through alternative energy trade. Russia sells discounted crude to China in yuan. The shadow fleet enables sanctions evasion. Non-USD settlements grow quarter over quarter.

That architecture assumed adversaries could access non-Western supply.

Trump just eliminated the non-Western supply.

China bought 80% of Venezuelan exports before the blockade. Beijing’s teapot refiners depended on discounted Merey crude delivered by shadow fleet tankers running dark across the Atlantic.

Those tankers are being seized. Those flows are being rerouted. And the crude that remains will now be sold by Chevron and Exxon.

In dollars.

This is not an oil policy. This is monetary warfare disguised as energy security.

Every barrel China purchases from US-controlled Venezuela strengthens the dollar. Every settlement funds American treasury flows. Every transaction reinforces the architecture BRICS spent years trying to escape.

Russia understood this immediately. Moscow sent a submarine to protect one tanker. The submarine retreated. Now Russian crude competes with Russian ally crude being sold by American firms.

The irony is perfect: Russia spent blood and treasure cultivating Maduro for twenty years. China lent fifty billion dollars secured against future oil deliveries.

The collateral now belongs to Washington.

“We are open for business.”

He is not offering partnership. He is offering terms of surrender.

Buy from us or buy nothing. Pay in dollars or pay more. Accept American intermediation or lose access to Western Hemisphere heavy crude permanently.

The multipolar energy order required one thing to function: supply diversity that excluded American control.

Venezuela was the cornerstone.

Venezuela is gone.
 

fatpiggy

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Not saying the situations are the same but not sure this helps with Taiwan, Ukraine or small Arab nations. Our enemies will definitely use this against us. The propaganda war is something the US is not as adept as China and Russia.
I have to wonder if the bite is worth the chew and the multi visits to the dentist.
I think k it has been proven this was worth the chew.


 
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