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Jeffreauxdawg

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Now that it's close enough to baseball season and I am back from my football exodus with a shiny new name... Explain to me this.

Why is the one knee down catching method so prevelant in the last few years? Not just in the big leagues and college, but all the way down to little kids. I get the "reasoning" of raising the mitt low to high to get strikes at the bottom of the zone. But the data makes that argument irrelevant to me. In the major leagues the one knee down method caused 47% of borderline pitches to be called strikes. In a traditional stance 45% of borderline or shadow zone strikes were called. So maybe a strike per game?

Well I watched a lot of the playoffs this year and the knee down just sucks. While they're called wild pitches more often than not, they're were a ton of passed balls compared to what I would expect in MLB.

This "wild pitch" allowed by Will Smith in game 5 is just lazy as 17.

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If he's in a proper catching stance that's easy money. Instead he gave up a run on the play as the runner on third scored. There were a total of 3 "wild pitches" in the inning and it nearly cost them the World Series.

So how 17ed up is it to teach high school and younger players this method? A 12 or 13 year old stands no chance to block a ball on the down knee side or to throw anyone out from that position? I saw a rinky dink catching clinic teach this method to 8 year olds not too long ago.

What's wrong with the world? Who dare defend this blasphemy of catching fundamentals? Get off my lawn.

Baseball is coming soon boys. Please let us have a decent run...
 
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I agree. Other than resting one of your knees, I don’t see an advantage to the one knee down stance. Obviously that’s not ideal for blocking.
I caught for 10 years. On outer half pitches, I always liked to center my body over the outside corner. Sometimes I would position my mitt just off the corner, but it would be obscured from the ump by my body, so he would still perceive it to be on the corner. Or I would center it over the corner but catch it in the webbing, just off the plate.
I see videos of catchers doing the low to high framing, and their so pronounced with it, I would think any umpire would see that deliberate move and assume that if the catcher thought it needed to be framed, it must be a ball. The key to framing is being subtle, to deceive the eye of the ump.
 
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Bulldog45

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I don’t like it either. I’m fine with it with no runners on and < 2 strikes to rest but otherwise it’s a no for me.
 

Raiderdawg

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Now that it's close enough to baseball season and I am back from my football exodus with a shiny new name... Explain to me this.

Why is the one knee down catching method so prevelant in the last few years? Not just in the big leagues and college, but all the way down to little kids. I get the "reasoning" of raising the mitt low to high to get strikes at the bottom of the zone. But the data makes that argument irrelevant to me. In the major leagues the one knee down method caused 47% of borderline pitches to be called strikes. In a traditional stance 45% of borderline or shadow zone strikes were called. So maybe a strike per game?

Well I watched a lot of the playoffs this year and the knee down just sucks. While they're called wild pitches more often than not, they're were a ton of passed balls compared to what I would expect in MLB.

This "wild pitch" allowed by Will Smith in game 5 is just lazy as 17.

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If he's in a proper catching stance that's easy money. Instead he gave up a run on the play as the runner on third scored. There were a total of 3 "wild pitches" in the inning and it nearly cost them the World Series.

So how 17ed up is it to teach high school and younger players this method? A 12 or 13 year old stands no chance to block a ball on the down knee side or to throw anyone out from that position? I saw a rinky dink catching clinic teach this method to 8 year olds not too long ago.

What's wrong with the world? Who dare defend this blasphemy of catching fundamentals? Get off my lawn.

Baseball is coming soon boys. Please let us have a decent run...

Here’s a pretty good breakdown of the change.

Long story short: it doesn’t seem to hurt statistically and it’s more comfortable/ may extend careers.
 
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Bulldog Bruce

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When robo ump comes full time in a couple of years there will be no reason to frame so that dumb reason will go away. I also wonder why wear a shin guard? Don't they need a thigh guard?

I only caught a few games so I can't really speak from experience but it sure seems to not be a ready position with runners on base.
 

HomeBoyDawg

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Hmmm okay. Let's say there's a runner on 3rd, 2 outs, 2 strikes, a pitch goes in the dirt in the right-handed batter's box, and the batter swings and misses. How well does that position lend itself to blocking the ball toward the plate so that said batter can be touched by the catcher or thrown out at first???