doesn't your first paragraph sort of negate the leftist talk of Trump initiating a war?
Venezuela Operation Underway
- Thread starter NorthATLtiger
- Start date
Maga has bigger balls than all the previous presidents put together, since Reagan at least.
You should have read up a little this afternoon.
Venezuela’s Delcy RodrĂguez sends conciliatory message to Trump, US
https://thehill.com/policy/international/5672597-trump-threatens-venezuela-leader/
Delcy RodrĂguez, the acting president of Venezuela following the U.S. capture and arrest of Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro, offered a conciliatory message to the United States and President Trump on Sunday.
Rodriguez invited the U.S. to collaborate with her government in strengthen “coexistence,” just a day after she had struck a defiant tone by saying Maduro was the only president of Venezuela.
It was a sharp turn from her initial statements following the U.S. attack on Venezuela over the weekend that resulted in Maduro’s arrest.
“We invite the US government to collaborate with us on an agenda of cooperation oriented towards shared development within the framework of international law to strengthen lasting community coexistence,” RodrĂguez said in a post on Instagram.
“President Donald Trump, our peoples and our region deserve peace and dialogue, not war. This has always been President Nicolás Maduro’s message, and it is the message of all of Venezuela right now,” the post continued.
RodrĂguez had given an intense defense of Maduro in a speech Saturday, only hours after the captured leader was indicted on drug charges and sent to New York.
“There is only one president in Venezuela, and his name is Nicolás Maduro Moros,” RodrĂguez said during a televised address.
1. "Leftist" talk? How about "general discussion?" Or "discussion among sane people," which obviously excludes Trump Cultists?
2. Bombing and invading another sovereign nation and kidnapping its head of state is not an act of war? Who knew?!
This is a very strong message to drug cartels defacto taking over nations via illegal actions that their leaders will not be safe from the United States. Venezuela has been enacting asymmetric warfare on the US for years and we now have a potus that will fight back for the American people. We are losing hundreds of thousands a year to drug induced death. Venezuela has basically sent a small army here posing as immigrants seeking asylum and wreaking havoc inside our borders. No more. The buck stops with this President.
You don't understand. DRUG CARELS ARE PEOPLE!!!!
No kidding. This President is dead set against drug trafficking and knows how to fight it. Witness his pardons, grants of clemency and decisions not to prosecute Juan Orlando Hernandez, Ross Ulbricht, Larry Hoover, Cesar Humberto Lopez-Lario, and Salvador Cienfuegos Zepeda.
You dummy. If only you were smart enough to have gotten past the fourth grade. Oh well. Fortunately for you, the world needs ditch diggers, too.
Do you really believe he's easily solved the problem? Do you really believe he has a plan for what comes next without putting tens of thousands of boots on the ground?
"Donald Trump announced that his Secretary of War will “run” Venezuela until the United States can carry out what he calls a “safe, proper and judicious transition.” This is not happening.
As of right now, Venezuela’s militias, specifically the Bolivarian Militia and the urban paramilitary networks known as colectivos, have not backed down. Far from allowing America’s Secretary of War and a US-appointed “group” to run the country, they have become the primary agents of what is rapidly evolving into a chaotic and dangerous resistance.
Since the abduction of Nicolás Maduro and his wife, Caracas has effectively become a ghost town. Citizens are skipping work, businesses are shuttered, and people are staying indoors because of the colectivos.
The leftist paramilitaries are now the most visible armed presence in the capital.
While Delta Force and US air assets achieved overwhelming tactical dominance during the brief raid that removed Maduro, they have not established persistent control over residential neighbourhoods. That vacuum has been filled locally, block by block.
The colectivos have also reframed the conflict. What might once have been portrayed as a struggle to defend Maduro has now been recast as a “decolonial war” against US occupation.
This narrative shift matters. It transforms the struggle from regime defence into national resistance, and it makes the colectivos the main obstacle to the “security” Washington claims it intends to provide.
Despite US assertions that Venezuela’s military was “incapacitated,” Defence Minister Vladimir Padrino LĂłpez appeared on national television alongside Vice President Delcy RodrĂguez to declare that the armed forces and militias remain loyal to the Bolivarian Revolution.
Whether or not this reflects unified command is beside the point; it signals continuity, defiance, and an intent to resist.
America’s Secretary of War has insisted that “President Trump sets the terms.” In practice, those terms are already being rewritten by asymmetric warfare. This is not a promising start.
According to the Robert Lansing Institute, if the United States limits itself to air power and special operations while leaving Venezuelans to manage the transition, insurgency is likely to emerge not as classic guerrilla warfare against US troops, but as urban unrest, terrorism, and targeted attacks on perceived collaborators.
Conversely, Lansing warns that a large and prolonged US troop presence would almost certainly catalyse a broader, more organised armed resistance.
Either path is bleak. Trump has initiated a process he cannot easily reverse, and there is no clean off-ramp for him or his war secretary.
Over the next six to twelve months, the most probable pattern is episodic violence: bombings, armed clashes in pro-Chavista strongholds, targeted assassinations, and cartel-linked criminal activity exploiting the breakdown in authority.
The so-called “Iraq model” becomes increasingly likely the longer the US maintains a visible, large-scale military presence on Venezuelan soil. If Washington truly intends to “run” Venezuela until a transition can be engineered, it will require, and likely lose, a significant number of soldiers.
The contradiction is clearest around oil. While US officials talk openly about rebuilding Venezuela’s oil infrastructure, militias and loyalist military units are expected to target those facilities to prevent the foreign plunder.
This dynamic is already visible in the Orinoco Belt, which accounts for roughly two-thirds of Venezuela’s oil production. The United States may control ports and terminals, but militias control pipelines and territory. Production is in freefall.
Trump has promised to sell “large amounts of oil.” For now, that promise is being blocked by asymmetric warfare, the very phenomenon US officials publicly acknowledge while underestimating its consequences.
In short, the United States may “run” oil terminals and fortified government buildings, but Venezuela’s militias run the streets and much of the rural heartland.
What Trump and his handlers face a law-enforcement nightmare in which every urban block risks becoming a bloody battle zone. And by every available indicator, that nightmare has already begun."
Last edited:
Neither of us have any information on what the overall strategy is and why those actions were taken. I trust in Trump.
LOL, the strategy is simple, he has sympathy for fellow criminals, especially rich ones that he can claim Biden treated vErY uNfAiRlY.
In other words, there is no stategy other than greed and revenge.
Then explain to the board how pardoning drug lords is beneficial to AMERICA, not him, the rest of us. How does it benefit our country?
On the surface its bad but is this person now cooperating with continuing operations or providing other assistance??? What did Trump get in exchange??? We do not know yet. I strongly feel its not for money as Trump doesn't need money at all. I choose to trust in Trump.
Please explain to this board how a President pardoning his crackhead son is beneficial to America, not him , the rest of us. How did it benefit our country?
what was it again? Federal gun and tax convictions ??
Are you asking me to compare ONE sober ex-addict who paid his back taxes in full and signed his name to a gun permit stating he wasn't doing drugs with a drug kingpin who imported 400 TONS of cocaine into this country?
Holy ****, you won the interwebz with that intellectual masterpiece.
Show me where i asked you to compare , you dumb phvck. Jesus man, get your sh^% togetherAre you asking me to compare ONE sober ex-addict who paid his back taxes in full and signed his name to a gun permit stating he wasn't doing drugs with a drug kingpin who imported 400 TONS of cocaine into this country?
Holy ****, you won the interwebz with that intellectual masterpiece.
Haven’t read much of this thread but I assume everyone realizes this is Trump just wanting oil and doesn’t care about drugs or Venezuelas people.
Right?
Right?
TRUTH!!!
Sentiments of Venezuelans
I’m going to say this once, and I don’t care if it makes people uncomfortable.
If you have never lived in Venezuela
If you did not grow up there
If you did not watch your country collapse in real time
If you did not stand in food lines
If you did not watch your parents lose everything they built
If you did not have to leave your home with nothing
Then shut the **** up.
You do not have an opinion.
Your opinion does not matter.
And you don’t get to lecture anyone about what’s happening there.
I’m Venezuelan.
I lived there most of my life until my early twenties.
I watched my country go from a functioning democracy to full blown socialism right in front of my eyes.
This is not politics to me.
This is trauma.
Before socialism, Venezuela was not perfect, but it worked.
There was trade.
There was money coming in.
There was investment from the US.
There were jobs.
There was food.
There was medicine.
My family had five businesses.
We had our home
We had investments.
We had a future.
Then the government started nationalizing everything.
Private companies were taken.
Foreign investors were pushed out.
Imports were blocked.
Price controls destroyed production.
Corruption exploded.
And everything died.
Not slowly.
Violently.
People didn’t suddenly become poor because of “capitalism” or “the US” or whatever ******** slogan people like to repeat online.
They became poor because socialism destroyed incentives, destroyed production, destroyed trust, and destroyed hope.
People today in Venezuela are not debating ideology.
They are trying to survive.
They are trying to find food.
Trying to find medication.
Trying to keep their families alive.
So when I see people in the West posting from comfortable homes, full fridges, stable currencies, and safe streets talking about “imperialism” or “US bad” or “Trump this or that”
No.
It’s not complicated.
You’re just ignorant.
China is not rebuilding Venezuela.
Russia is not rebuilding Venezuela.
Cartels are not rebuilding Venezuela.
They are stealing.
They are extracting.
They are draining what’s left.
If the US comes in and reinvests
If refineries get rebuilt
If infrastructure gets restored
If imports open back up
If food, water, and medicine become accessible again
If people can work and earn with dignity
Then yes.
Let them take all the oil they want.
Because at least something gets built instead of destroyed.
This is something to celebrate.
Not because it’s perfect.
But because for the first time in a long time, there is hope.
Hope that families can eat.
Hope that people don’t have to flee their country.
Hope that Venezuela can function again.
If you’ve never lived through a country collapsing
If you’ve never watched socialism destroy everything around you
If you’ve never had to leave your home because staying meant starvation
Then again
Shut the **** up.
This isn’t theory.
This isn’t politics.
This is lived experience.
By Stephen Subero
Sentiments of Venezuelans
I’m going to say this once, and I don’t care if it makes people uncomfortable.
If you have never lived in Venezuela
If you did not grow up there
If you did not watch your country collapse in real time
If you did not stand in food lines
If you did not watch your parents lose everything they built
If you did not have to leave your home with nothing
Then shut the **** up.
You do not have an opinion.
Your opinion does not matter.
And you don’t get to lecture anyone about what’s happening there.
I’m Venezuelan.
I lived there most of my life until my early twenties.
I watched my country go from a functioning democracy to full blown socialism right in front of my eyes.
This is not politics to me.
This is trauma.
Before socialism, Venezuela was not perfect, but it worked.
There was trade.
There was money coming in.
There was investment from the US.
There were jobs.
There was food.
There was medicine.
My family had five businesses.
We had our home
We had investments.
We had a future.
Then the government started nationalizing everything.
Private companies were taken.
Foreign investors were pushed out.
Imports were blocked.
Price controls destroyed production.
Corruption exploded.
And everything died.
Not slowly.
Violently.
People didn’t suddenly become poor because of “capitalism” or “the US” or whatever ******** slogan people like to repeat online.
They became poor because socialism destroyed incentives, destroyed production, destroyed trust, and destroyed hope.
People today in Venezuela are not debating ideology.
They are trying to survive.
They are trying to find food.
Trying to find medication.
Trying to keep their families alive.
So when I see people in the West posting from comfortable homes, full fridges, stable currencies, and safe streets talking about “imperialism” or “US bad” or “Trump this or that”
No.
It’s not complicated.
You’re just ignorant.
China is not rebuilding Venezuela.
Russia is not rebuilding Venezuela.
Cartels are not rebuilding Venezuela.
They are stealing.
They are extracting.
They are draining what’s left.
If the US comes in and reinvests
If refineries get rebuilt
If infrastructure gets restored
If imports open back up
If food, water, and medicine become accessible again
If people can work and earn with dignity
Then yes.
Let them take all the oil they want.
Because at least something gets built instead of destroyed.
This is something to celebrate.
Not because it’s perfect.
But because for the first time in a long time, there is hope.
Hope that families can eat.
Hope that people don’t have to flee their country.
Hope that Venezuela can function again.
If you’ve never lived through a country collapsing
If you’ve never watched socialism destroy everything around you
If you’ve never had to leave your home because staying meant starvation
Then again
Shut the **** up.
This isn’t theory.
This isn’t politics.
This is lived experience.
By Stephen Subero
THERE IT IS
This is footage from the San Diego California “Hands Off Venezuela” protest getting ready to take place todayWhat do you notice? These are the EXACT SAME protest signs used in New York, Chicago, Florida, Boston and Portland (Below)
This is PAID and ORGANIZED by the CCP linked billionaire Neville Roy Singham
- He’s given $20 million to The People’s Forum NGO for protests
- Funds the Party for Socialism and Liberation Chicago
- Singham’s residence in Shanghai
- His business ties are to the CCP
- He attends CCP-related events
- He funds media outlets echoing Chinese state narratives
While the world watches Venezuela, the real story might be next door in Guyana, where the world's most important new oil frontier was under direct threat.
Maduro's claim to two-thirds of Guyana's territory (Esequibo region) aimed to seize over 11 billion barrels of onshore and offshore oil, creating a massive geopolitical risk.
The most immediate outcome in capture of Maduro is to neutralize this threat and secure the operating companies stakes in Guyana, as well as Western Hemisphere's energy security.
By stabilizing Guyana's production, which is set to hit 1.7 million barrels per day, the intervention guarantees way more oil flow in near term than reviving Venezuela's aged infrastructure and heavy sour oil.
This move protects billions in U.S. investment and positions Guyana producers as the ultimate winners.
This post — times a thousand. It’s funny how no one cared about Venezuelan oil until now. Why do you think the Chinese and Russians were down there — to get an arepa recipe?
Every single Venezuelan I know (and I’m married to one) would gladly hand over their oil reserves to the U.S. if it meant the regime would finally be removed. The country has the largest oil reserves in the world, yet they don’t even have enough gas for their own people. My in-laws have to leave their car at the gas station until the fuel truck eventually shows up — and then there’s nothing again until the next delivery.
There are days without electricity. There’s no food on the shelves. Hospitals are a disaster. Medicine is scarce. Inflation is out of control. The government has been voted out multiple times and still refuses to leave. People have been kidnapped. My in-laws have been beaten because of how they voted.
Most people have no idea what Venezuelans go through every single day — but sure, let’s listen to white liberals here in the U.S. lecture everyone about how “bad” this situation supposedly is for everyone else.
To be fair, there are literally dozens of countries across the world going through similar problems, but we're not intervening with any of them, and in fact have more than likely cut aid to them via the USAID dissolution. Thinking this is some humanitarian action is incredible naivete. This is 100% about the future of the Petrodollar,
This guy gets it. We’ve been blowing up all those “fishing boats” all because of the Petrodollar
Why can't it be both? During Trump's first term, he addressed the people of Venezuela and how much **** they are going through. He was directly responsible for extending passport expiration allowance into the US. Times have changed, want our help? Pay us. USAID was a money laundering scheme with very little impact to humanitarian aid. Also, VZ is in our hemisphere and we have to make sure **** isnt going to pop off right under our noses.
Stick to just throwing out homophobic insults; the grown ups are talking.This guy gets it. We’ve been blowing up all those “fishing boats” all because of the Petrodollar
Because thinking the US Gov't is doing ANYTHING out of benevolence is idiotic. Anything we do is out of our own interests, and this administration has shown time and time again that unless there's a direct benefit to the US, then it's not worth their time.
Surely we'll go "help out" Bolivia, Haiti, or Ecuador next since they're all facing economic issues and are seen as having widespread corruption in their ranks. The passport extension recognition in 2019 rings a little hollow considering 3 weeks ago the administration continued the partial restriction on all Venezuelan nationals into the US, in addition to continuing with the ejection of 600k Venezuelan nationals who were in the US under protected status.
USAID was not a money laundering scheme. Was there some fraud occurring? Yeah, absolutely. Was there good being done? Yeah, absolutely. The question is does the good outweigh the bad. This administration seems to think that no, it does not.
The next time you post a meaningful and thought-provoking comment on this forum, it will be the first time.
I didn’t realize you were so familiar with Venezuelan–U.S. immigration policy. From my perspective, what changed from 2021 onward felt significant. I believe many of the new programs effectively opened the door for almost anyone to sponsor a Venezuelan national, often without meaningful vetting. I personally know of situations where people were paid to sponsor individuals they didn’t even know — with little more than a promise of where that person would stay.
My mother-in-law was initially pushed toward TPS, but instead of relying on that program, we pursued another visa pathway, and she ultimately received a green card. I don’t believe every single applicant for visas, asylum, or refugee status should automatically be approved — the U.S. should set standards, just like any other country. TPS was a program where they could kick the can down the road. I have personally witnessed people being on that program for years with no clear resolution in sight. Even after order of deportations. They will just appeal it and continue living their lives in the US.
As for USAID, based on what I’ve seen traveling through multiple continents, I’ve witnessed events and gatherings that seemed unnecessarily lavish, funded by taxpayer dollars. I’ve even seen signs reading “USAID — compliments of the U.S. taxpayers.” In my view, that kind of spending doesn’t always feel justified.
This is hilarious coming from you. I gave up long ago going back n forth with you freaks. The TDS has taken over your lives. It doesn’t allow you to think logically when it comes to Trump.
In a vacuum it's great that Maduro is gone and there's some hope for a better government. Unfortunately that doesn't mean we have good intentions ourselves. I don't like, "Oh we got rid of this guy for you, so now we get your oil." It seems as though that's been the message; we should be better than that.
The law enforcement, "narcoterrorism" angle is ridiculous. Let's go drone strike some meth labs in rural America while we're at it.
I voted for Trump 3x, I just don't deep throat every decision he makes. I've always found it helpful to critique and hold the people I support accountable for the decisions that I disagree with or find counterproductive. It's not TDS to hold your leaders accountable, even ones you support, for decisions that you find to be wrong.
Latest
-
01
Tiger Illustrated
Takeaways from Clemson's Thursday scrimmage
-
02
Rivals
QB Ford Green has Southeast roots and now plays in California as his recruitment takes off
-
03
Tiger Illustrated
CLEMSON FOOTBALL AUGUST CAMP: What we are hearing on true freshmen WRs Gordon Sellars and Naeem Burroughs
-
04
Tiger Illustrated
CLEMSON FOOTBALL AUGUST CAMP: Our Thursday update on Andy Burburija, Vic Burley, Champ Thompson and C.J. Kubah-Taylor
-
05
Tiger Illustrated
Additional insight behind the messaging out of Clemson this month