Venezuela Operation Underway

Caney Fork

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Wow. This thread is scary. If you think that capturing a head of state of a sovereign nation in this hemisphere and putting him on trial in this country is a good thing, then I don’t know what to say.

I hate the disaster that Venezuela has become but this is another attempt at nation building. We are terrible at it and the consequences of trying are impossible to predict.
 
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SlipDrip

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Nothing like being the enforcer for the Central Banking System. All the real issues in our own country and our tax dollars keep getting wasted on foreign soil.
If it makes you feel better, we are the issuer of currency. Taxes do not fund government spending. The government owns all money and you are given permission to rent debt coupons.

This is very basic MMT stuff.
 
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tiger989

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The next 72 hours are critical for the world.

If the United States succeeds in imposing control over Venezuela, and by extension over the world’s largest proven oil reserves, it will mark a major shift in global power.
Such a move would not be about restoring democracy or protecting human rights, but about reasserting strategic dominance over energy, trade routes, and regional alignments.

In that case, Iran would likely move to the forefront of Washington’s strategic priorities.
Securing control over Venezuelan oil would reduce U.S. vulnerability to energy disruptions in the Gulf and provide a buffer against supply shocks in the event of a confrontation with Iran.
With a reliable alternative source of heavy crude under its influence, Washington would be better positioned to absorb or offset the destruction or shutdown of energy infrastructure in the Persian Gulf during a war.
This would lower the economic cost of escalation and make military pressure against Iran more politically and economically manageable.

At the same time, such control would strengthen the United States’ ability to shape global oil flows and pricing, reinforcing the central role of the dollar in energy markets and helping preserve the petrodollar system that underpins U.S. financial power.

Venezuela would thus become more than a regional issue.
It would become a strategic precedent, a demonstration that economic pressure, political engineering, and, if necessary, force can be used to restructure sovereign states and realign the global balance of power.

However, if the United States becomes entangled in Venezuela and faces sustained resistance, the outcome shifts dramatically.
A prolonged crisis would drain political capital, stretch military and economic resources, and weaken Washington’s capacity to project power elsewhere, including in the Middle East.
That would also complicate Israeli strategic planning, which is closely tied to U.S. regional leverage.

What happens in Venezuela will not stay in Latin America.
It will shape the future of energy control, the limits of American power, and the direction of geopolitical confrontation far beyond Caracas.
 

DrPeterVenkman

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Unless Seal Team Six is about to invade Daboland and force him to take 25+ transfers, fire all his college roommates cousins, and swear off 5’8” white guys with names that sound like law firms who get WR reps over recruited players, let’s get this 💩 to the Roundtable, please.
 

tigergray

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I don't blame you for not trusting media outlets, but trusting Trump instead?

Exactly, @tigergray ...how do you define this "respected throughout the world again" you speak of? Also, Biden was terrible, but that doesn't mean what Trump is doing is restoring any sense of respect.
Let me explain, Trump (the United States) does not make idle threats anymore. We do what we say we are going to do. We look out for the interest of the American people. Unlike Obama bowed down to everyone(and I mean literally bowed downs) and Biden that didn't even know where he was. You can bet your *** leaders around the world know the US is nothing to take advantage of at least the next 3 years and what we say we will do we will. Unlike you cantt *** liberals.
 
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Tiger Guru

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I don't blame you for not trusting media outlets, but trusting Trump instead?

Exactly, @tigergray ...how do you define this "respected throughout the world again" you speak of? Also, Biden was terrible, but that doesn't mean what Trump is doing is restoring any sense of respect.
I don’t necessarily trust him nor any president but I have to just assume he’s the only person who’s been briefed on everything. I have to trust he’s doing what’s best and making the right decisions. Doesn’t he mean he will and it’s fair to criticize when he doesn’t.

But man I’m always hoping it’s for the better. I don’t have a flag plated on a side. I’m just an American father hoping for a better future.

FTR, nobody is always wrong and nobody is always right. I firmly believe that.
 

Moogy

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pretty funny that Trump turned out to be like every other neocon republican president of the past 50 years.

Much worse. This is just a blatant violation of everything in international law in a blatant abuse of his now-assumed dictatorial powers. In the past, there were at least reasonable attempts to justify actions, even if they were a pretense.

This is insane.

And the thing is, MAGAts have zero integrity ... zero moral compass ... they're just cultists, so even though they originally tried to pretend they cared about "America first" and didn't want to get US forces involved in international disputes/wars ... they'll now just tout whatever positive they can desperately try to spin from this. "Taking over the world is America first!"

They tried provoking Venezuela with their faked up drug boat bombings, and that didn't work ... so they just said "we'll take it, anyway ... we want oil."

Absolute tyrannical insanity.

No one stopped Hitler ... hopefully they can stop this psycho.
 

SDTiger9

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MSM is controlled by the same few people that controls our establishment. Both are tools to paint false narratives and hopes while pushing divisionist fear to keep the people divided. Nothing will change until the people stop blaming each other for how poorly this country has been run and start accepting that the (D)'s and (R)'s are domestic terrorists.
MSM has both the explicit(govt funded plants) and implicit(fear of reporting on real stories typically for access) bias.

We can at least bankrupt them by quit watching. It’s why I “hate” them more. We can “control” them. The govt requires a whole other program.
 
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dpic73

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Much worse. This is just a blatant violation of everything in international law in a blatant abuse of his now-assumed dictatorial powers. In the past, there were at least reasonable attempts to justify actions, even if they were a pretense.

This is insane.

And the thing is, MAGAts have zero integrity ... zero moral compass ... they're just cultists, so even though they originally tried to pretend they cared about "America first" and didn't want to get US forces involved in international disputes/wars ... they'll now just tout whatever positive they can desperately try to spin from this. "Taking over the world is America first!"

They tried provoking Venezuela with their faked up drug boat bombings, and that didn't work ... so they just said "we'll take it, anyway ... we want oil."

Absolute tyrannical insanity.

No one stopped Hitler ... hopefully they can stop this psycho.
 

jimbob1019

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Unless Seal Team Six is about to invade Daboland and force him to take 25+ transfers, fire all his college roommates cousins, and swear off 5’8” white guys with names that sound like law firms who get WR reps over recruited players, let’s get this 💩 to the Roundtable, please.
I’ll never understand why anyone would waste their time to post in a thread about moving the thread to another board when all you had to do was scroll right past it…
 

kidmike41

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The next 72 hours are critical for the world.

If the United States succeeds in imposing control over Venezuela, and by extension over the world’s largest proven oil reserves, it will mark a major shift in global power.
Such a move would not be about restoring democracy or protecting human rights, but about reasserting strategic dominance over energy, trade routes, and regional alignments.

In that case, Iran would likely move to the forefront of Washington’s strategic priorities.
Securing control over Venezuelan oil would reduce U.S. vulnerability to energy disruptions in the Gulf and provide a buffer against supply shocks in the event of a confrontation with Iran.
With a reliable alternative source of heavy crude under its influence, Washington would be better positioned to absorb or offset the destruction or shutdown of energy infrastructure in the Persian Gulf during a war.
This would lower the economic cost of escalation and make military pressure against Iran more politically and economically manageable.

At the same time, such control would strengthen the United States’ ability to shape global oil flows and pricing, reinforcing the central role of the dollar in energy markets and helping preserve the petrodollar system that underpins U.S. financial power.

Venezuela would thus become more than a regional issue.
It would become a strategic precedent, a demonstration that economic pressure, political engineering, and, if necessary, force can be used to restructure sovereign states and realign the global balance of power.

However, if the United States becomes entangled in Venezuela and faces sustained resistance, the outcome shifts dramatically.
A prolonged crisis would drain political capital, stretch military and economic resources, and weaken Washington’s capacity to project power elsewhere, including in the Middle East.
That would also complicate Israeli strategic planning, which is closely tied to U.S. regional leverage.

What happens in Venezuela will not stay in Latin America.
It will shape the future of energy control, the limits of American power, and the direction of geopolitical confrontation far beyond Caracas.
This is a very well reasoned analysis. Being 42 years old I am so regime change weary. If this works out it would indeed be beneficial. We have a bad track record in my memory.
 

tigergray

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Much worse. This is just a blatant violation of everything in international law in a blatant abuse of his now-assumed dictatorial powers. In the past, there were at least reasonable attempts to justify actions, even if they were a pretense.

This is insane.

And the thing is, MAGAts have zero integrity ... zero moral compass ... they're just cultists, so even though they originally tried to pretend they cared about "America first" and didn't want to get US forces involved in international disputes/wars ... they'll now just tout whatever positive they can desperately try to spin from this. "Taking over the world is America first!"

They tried provoking Venezuela with their faked up drug boat bombings, and that didn't work ... so they just said "we'll take it, anyway ... we want oil."

Absolute tyrannical insanity.

No one stopped Hitler ... hopefully they can stop this psycho.
You SOB’s think cutting off small childrens penis’s off is the high ground and you are going to talk about a moral compass. You have a socialist Mayor in NY saying yesterday individualism is over straight out of the Karl Marx communist manifesto. You liberal nuts don’t need to be lecturing anyone on anything.
 

jimbob1019

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Much worse. This is just a blatant violation of everything in international law in a blatant abuse of his now-assumed dictatorial powers. In the past, there were at least reasonable attempts to justify actions, even if they were a pretense.

This is insane.

And the thing is, MAGAts have zero integrity ... zero moral compass ... they're just cultists, so even though they originally tried to pretend they cared about "America first" and didn't want to get US forces involved in international disputes/wars ... they'll now just tout whatever positive they can desperately try to spin from this. "Taking over the world is America first!"

They tried provoking Venezuela with their faked up drug boat bombings, and that didn't work ... so they just said "we'll take it, anyway ... we want oil."

Absolute tyrannical insanity.

No one stopped Hitler ... hopefully they can stop this psycho.
Naw, for us ‘MAGAts’, America First is about American strength. For far too long, our ‘leaders’ (namely Obama & Biden) have tried to weaken the U.S. on the world stage…now, you’ll say that world leaders liked them & I’ll say, of course they did…but not bc they respected them…it was bc they were viewed as being weak…Trump, on the other hand, may not be well liked by other world leaders but that’s simply bc they are forced to respect him & the U.S. again…order is being restored in the world & America is First again…
 

PawPride

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I’ll never understand the mental gymnastics MAGAs twist themselves into wrt “respect” on the world stage. There are numerous videos of world leaders openly laughing and mocking Trump.

If anything, world leaders know to treat Trump like a child - just offer small praise periodically - and he’ll give you what you want.
 

baltimorened

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Wow. This thread is scary. If you think that capturing a head of state for a sovereign nation in this hemisphere and putting him on trial in this country is a good thing, then I don’t know what to say.

I hate the disaster that Venezuela has become but this is another attempt at nation building. We are terrible at it and the consequences of trying are impossible to predict.
we've done it before....Noriega 1989 (I believe)
 
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Moogy

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You SOB’s think cutting off small childrens penis’s off is the high ground and you are going to talk about a moral compass. You have a socialist Mayor in NY saying yesterday individualism is over straight out of the Karl Marx communist manifesto. You liberal nuts don’t need to be lecturing anyone on anything.
Once again, a MAGAt cultist who has no use for the facts ... I'm not a leftist, nor a Dem, nor a socialist. I have no desire to allow anyone to cut off "small childrens pensis's" [sic], or even small children's penises ... I'm against such things.

I need to be lecturing you on the English language, logic, and sticking to facts rather than jumping to illogical, unsupported conclusions ... and not being in a fascist cult.
 

Moogy

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Naw, for us ‘MAGAts’, America First is about American strength. For far too long, our ‘leaders’ (namely Obama & Biden) have tried to weaken the U.S. on the world stage…now, you’ll say that world leaders liked them & I’ll say, of course they did…but not bc they respected them…it was bc they were viewed as being weak…Trump, on the other hand, may not be well liked by other world leaders but that’s simply bc they are forced to respect him & the U.S. again…order is being restored in the world & America is First again…

Ah, so you're one of those MAGAts who never bought into the lies about worrying about America first ... you just want America to forcefully take over the world ... to "protect" us (and cover up for your micropenis and microbrain). Got it. Well, Nazi, hopefully you don't get your way.
 
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