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Oklahoma State at the NCAA Tournament

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Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year Iowa wrestling fans.

I come bearing gifts better than frankincense and myrrh. Oklahoma State has a long. illustrious history at the NCAA Tournament, so let's explore it a bit.
  • OSU won has been there from the start, stacking up team titles in 23 of the first 38 tournaments.
  • Along the way OSU has picked up 2,395 victories, placing them at the very top of the heap on the all-time list. And that honor is likely to last into the foreseeable future with Iowa next on the list (1,948), followed by Iowa State (1,687), Oklahoma (1,583), and Penn State (1,510).
  • But it hasn't been all victories. Because of their long history OSU is also home to one of my two favorite wrestlers. Dell Shockley is an AA for OSU in spite of never, ever, having won an NCAA tournament match (Third place in a three man bracket in 1929). I love it. (For the completists, the other is Kent States' Gene Glass - maybe the father of Jan's fake boyfriend George?).


OSU has not always been content to settle for the 2-1 win either.

Below are the OSU top 10 (and ties) all-time leaders in majors, techs, pinfalls, and bonus points (normalized for today's scoring rules) along with their overall rank in NCAA tournament history.

Who is the oldest guy any of you watched live?

Major Decisions


Tech Falls


Pin Falls


Bonus Points
 
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I have a couple of questions (and a couple of comments) about this info.

Where is the Superior Decision? They were worth 1.5 points, same as a Tech Fall.

I don't understand the "Normalized Bonus Points". I have Monday down as 3 MD (3pts), 1 SD (1.5pts), 8 PF (16pts) and 1 MF (2pts) for a total of 22.5 pts; you have 21.5pts

Also, I have Mike Sheets with 1 MD (1pts), 5 SD (7.5pts), 3 PF (6pts) and 1 MF (2pts) for a total of 17.5 pts; you don't have him on your list. Mike Sheets had 5 SD's in the tournament (one by 29-2) and I think he is the reason why we have a Tech Fall for the following reasons:

He had 35 career Superior Decisions. 24 of the 35 had a margin of greater than 15 (TF) & 11 greater than 20. He scored over 20 pts 15 times and over 30 pts 3 times

He had 17 SD’s where his opponent had 0 points, including matches were his points scored were 22, 24, 24, 27, 27 & 28

With these scores, it's impossible to know exactly how many near falls he had as this has no record of the 2/3 ratio but the minimum he would need to get these scores was 258; 221 three pointers and 37 two pointers

This was done when Near Falls were worth 2 and 3 points; His the 33pts he scored in his 33-4 match would be from 44 to 49 points today depending on the 2/3-3/4 ratio

Also, Mike Sheets never chose down.
 
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Old Number Nine said:
I have a couple of questions (and a couple of comments) about this info.

Where is the Superior Decision? They were worth 1.5 points, same as a Tech Fall.

I don't understand the "Normalized Bonus Points". I have Monday down as 3 MD (3pts), 1 SD (1.5pts), 8 PF (16pts) and 1 MF (2pts) for a total of 22.5 pts; you have 21.5pts

Also, I have Mike Sheets with 1 MD (1pts), 5 SD (7.5pts), 3 PF (6pts) and 1 MF (2pts) for a total of 17.5 pts; you don't have him on your list. Mike Sheets had 5 SD's in the tournament (one by 29-2) and I think he is the reason why we have a Tech Fall for the following reasons:

He had 35 career Superior Decisions. 24 of the 35 had a margin of greater than 15 (TF) & 11 greater than 20. He scored over 20 pts 15 times and over 30 pts 3 times

He had 17 SD’s where his opponent had 0 points, including matches were his points scored were 22, 24, 24, 27, 27 & 28

With these scores, it's impossible to know exactly how many near falls he had as this has no record of the 2/3 ratio but the minimum he would need to get these scores was 258; 221 three pointers and 37 two pointers

This was done when Near Falls were worth 2 and 3 points; His the 33pts he scored in his 33-4 match would be from 44 to 49 points today depending on the 2/3-3/4 ratio

Also, Mike Sheets never chose down.
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  • From 1972 to 1975 the Superior Decision was a win by 10 or more points It was worth 1/2 point.
  • From 1976 to 1984 the Superior Decision was a win by 12 or more points. It was worth 3/4 point.
  • From 1985 to 1987 the Superior Decision was a win by 12, 13, or 14 points. This is when tech fall was added.
  • Superior Decisions were eliminated in 1988.

Normalized bonus points accounts for the fact that today's bonus point scoring is very different from historical bonus point scoring. For example, in the early days only pin falls got bonus points, and even then it was only 1 point as compared to 2 points today. There are numerous other differences as well (see above). To account for the differences I rescored every tournament using today's rules (normalized) so that more accurate comparisons could be made across scoring eras. Mind you they are not completely accurate, just more accurate. There is no real way to account for things at the margin. Would a wrestler have cut someone when leading by 7 if the MD existed? How do you deal with the years where there was no scoring for take downs?

Anyway, for SD I used margin of victory such that an SD with an MOV of 15 or greater was treated as a tech fall for normalized scoring purposes and given 1.5 points. An SD with an MOV of 14 or fewer points was treated as an MD and given 1 point.

As for Monday's and Sheets' NCAATournament bonus totals:

  • Monday had only 2 MD, rather than 3 which explains our 1 point difference.
  • While Sheets had 5 SD only one of them was by 15 or more points. So 4 of them are scored as MD rather than TF. Also I have Sheets with 2 MD, rather than 1.

Their Normalized scoring by type looks like this:

 
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