And money not invested in a one-year stopgap QB can be used to land other players who can contribute in ‘27 (and beyond).
Rocco Becht coming to Penn State?
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Agreed--it just comes down to how important to they think winning next year is. If that's the focus we'll chase Becht
I wouldn't--I'd follow what you said and build for 2027
He also has never competed with B1G talent teammates. Fortunately the WR coach is coming here and may be able to mesh our receivers to his ability.
As it is said.... Grunk would be one play away from starting....if he leaves he must compete there....if he stays he'll learn the new offense from a proven player and have enormous fan support.
No guarantees they stay. None. You may find yourself constantly being leveraged with the improvement of the player year to year. I prefer what Oregon, Miami, and Indiana are doing. Pay for proven production year to year. Bring in high schoolers and develop them and have them compete. If down the road you hit on one then you work to keep them, if not cut them loose. These contracts are renewed annually.
In any case, I will be interested to see what team will provide Grunk the guarantee to start.
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We just disagree--if I'm a QB there's absolutely no chance I'm staying when I ended the prior season as the starter and the new coach went out and recruited HIS guy because, truthfully, he's probably going to look toward the portal again in 2027
If I'm Grunk I go to a place like Duke or even Tulane then go to a high profile job when I have the success I expect to
If Campbell surmises that Becht is better than Grunk and he gives us a much better chance to win then he will bring him in or try to and I am okay with that. We don't need to punt on '26 if Grunk is not the best option. The schedule is easy. Not saying we are winning it all but with good QB play and a good passing game then we could be a good team that goes 10-2 and makes the playoff. We might have a coach who can actually beat teams of equal talent or slightly better. Wow, what a refreshing thought.
Campbell can't make decisions being worried about if a player will be butt hurt if he makes a certain decision We already had a coach like that and it was not effective.
So if Becht comes in for '26 and Grunk leaves (not sure why but I guess he could) then our options for '27 are:
- Get a guy in the portal again
- Go with one of the '26 recruits
I read we are making a run at Bourque (MeatCheatagin QB recruit class of '27 top 6 QB). If we could lure him to HV then you could manage to go Becht in '26 then another one hit wonder guy in '27 then ready with Borque in '28.
Campbell can't make decisions being worried about if a player will be butt hurt if he makes a certain decision We already had a coach like that and it was not effective.
So if Becht comes in for '26 and Grunk leaves (not sure why but I guess he could) then our options for '27 are:
- Get a guy in the portal again
- Go with one of the '26 recruits
I read we are making a run at Bourque (MeatCheatagin QB recruit class of '27 top 6 QB). If we could lure him to HV then you could manage to go Becht in '26 then another one hit wonder guy in '27 then ready with Borque in '28.
The thing is PSU needs to bring in another legitimate experienced qb whether it’s Becht or somebody else. The qb situation on this team right now is unacceptable because there is absolutely nobody who is capable of running an offense after Grunkemeyer, who’s only started six games himself. Therefore, Campbell can’t be worried about hurt feelings and transfers. If Grunkemeyer leaves because he doesn’t want to compete, then Campbell just needs to get two QBs in the portal.
That's just not an option. You can bring in someone with minimum experience but guys like Becht aren't coming here to compete for a job and Grunk isn't staying if you bring in someone like that.
I'm sorry but you're not all being realistic in this era. Most teams don't have QB depth--they don't stay if they could play elsewhere.
There’s a team playing right now that has two legitimate starting QBs for a SEC school. Also, last season, OSU had at least three legitimate Big 10 QBs on its roster.
You're not him. He may stay, it certainly is not some impossibility. Even if he does leave it won't kill us. He has potential but is definetly replaceable.
What? Simmons and Chambliss? Going into this season your statement wasn't true.
What happened to all of those Ohio State QBs--they left.
Guys don't stay when after they've started when you bring in someone new if they have options. Grunk would have options.
Who on Ohio State was established when they brought in Will Howard?
I just don't understand why anyone would think Grunk is going to okay with us saying "you're not good enough so we're bringing in someone else" which is exactly what that is.
Why? Why would he stay? How would that make any sense?
He just can't be that stupid.
If Grunk leaves which is not a certainty even though you want to paint that picture that it is a certainty then you go to the portal for '27.
Get a stud in the '27 class for '28. Good portal management can solve these types of challenges.
Correct--then we go to the portal
I'm not saying we can't add a QB this year--I'm saying it's ridiculous some in our fan base think we add a QB telling them they have to compete or that Grunk stays--that's not how things work in this era.
If you don’t have at least two QBs who can run an offense, then you might as well just forfeit the season because it’s almost a 100% certainty that your starter is going to miss time. If PSU doesn’t bring in another experienced qb and Grunkemeyer, who is no sure thing, misses time, who in the hell is on the roster who can run an offense?
Also, you forgot that Texas last season had both Ewers and Manning, and Manning actually had to start at least two games because Ewers got hurt. So I don’t want to hear about how that’s not how it’s done anymore; any team worth its salt has multiple competent QBs and PSU right now barely has one.
Then you find someone in the portal that experience that you think can run this style of an offense. You take a chance on a kid that was highly touted but hasn't played or reached that level IF you're rolling with Grunk
The problem here is you all seem to think top guys in the portal are going someone to COMPETE. They aren't. You have to guarantee them the job and that Grunk leaves.
I didn't forget about Ewers and Manning. Arch is a different story. For starters, he knew the plan when he went there. Arch is at Texas to work with Sark and prep him for the NFL. This is widely known--that might be the most ridiculous example anyone here has ever tried to give me. F**** Arch
You realize Grunk competed and was found wanting as he was behind Allar and Pribula? His label as "best QB" on the roster was because there was no one else (see Clifford as backup QB). Grunk wasnt good enough and got the job by default, not because he earned it. Could he be the QB of the future? Possibly, by he hasn't earned the right to say its his job without competition next year. If Becht comes in and Grunk chooses to run from the challenge, so be it, just shows the mindset of someone who thinks they're entitled versus someone who earns it on the field.
Duke wouldn't work. Mensah their starting QB is coming back for 2026. Perhaps Tulane.
Allegedly Mensah may go back into the portal buy, yes, he's Duke's starter if he returns and that wouldn't work. I should have been more clear. Good call out.
Dumb post.
Grunk was a true freshman. Mcsorley sat behind hackenberg even though he was the better qb. Fries sat behind Clifford. Should fries have stayed and not got drafted? Is BGJ now a QB expert?
Is becht running from a challenge?
I think Grunk played well enough last year that someone would give him a starting job if we don't
All QBs in year one have a long way to go.
People don't have to like what the portal has done to the game but they have to be realistic about it
Depends on how much PSU wants to pay Grunk before anyone can decide if staying is a feasible option.
Nah no one any good is “ giving” Grunk a starting job. Just like Beau he would have to compete if he left.
Grunk did WAY more than Beau
I'm not saying an SEC school is starting him but he can start in a lot of places.
Starting anywhere is better than sitting--hence the portal gets as many players as it does
Nothing wrong with disagreement....in fact it often opens dialog which expands results. Gronk has 3 years of eligibility....personally I would have an indepth discussion before making the move. The game has changed greatly since I played...however I do feel you need to be comfortable without any regrets to fully maximize your abilities.
So your knock on Grunk is that as a true freshman he couldn't beat out players that had three years in the system. Really.
Bottom line. The kid was a high 4 star, elite 11 talent coming out of high school. So its a given he has serious arm talent. On top of that, in his second year he gets thrown into a really bad situation and he only played better than the 3 year starter ahead of him.
If Grunk improves as most guys do between their first and second year as a starter, I doubt you'll need to worry about him playing for three more years at PSU, because he'll be drafted before that.
Also, any entitled kid has the right to say he's earned a job. Its just a matter of if the coach is going to tell him that he hasn't. I'll keep saying. If Campbell thinks someone else is a better fit. Go get him, but if he does. Grunks very likely to bolt, and he'll also very likely start wherever he bolts to. Most teams don't have elite 11 QBs on their rosters. Sometimes, I think PSU fans have forgotten we are one of the "have"s in this game. Most schools are the "have nots". Grunk is the kind of QB, that "have" schools get, and "have nots" wish they could have
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This thread should be renamed “The Argument Clinic.”
You're an idiot. Did Allar played in 10 games as a freshman, with Clifford and Pribula on the roster-how much did Grunk play as a freshman? Hackenberg had all the talent in the world but O'Brien didn't run an offense suited for Hackenberg nor did O'Brien recruit talent to help him. McSorley was very good, but BGJ must not have thought so as he sat him behind Hackenberg until Hackenberg was injured in the bowl game. Fries played in front of Clifford and was drafted by the Minnesota Vikings. Did you mean Will Levis, Copernicus? Levis left because he wasn't as good as Clifford, had some success at Kentucky and was vastly over rated when drafted and Clifford actually lasted in the NFL longer than Levis. Who said Becht was running from a challenge? If you infer that from my post I seriously think your reading comprehension is as lacking as your mental capacity.
That might be more applicable for this entire forum.
Agree with almost everything--just FYI--Levis is still in the NFL and on the Titans roster--he had surgery and missed the 2025 years but still very much in the league. Clifford might end up in the league longer but not yet
Didn't you say Grunk was entitled to start as he had beaten out the competition? Obviously that was wrong as he didn't sniff the field until Allar was hurt; if indeed he was the better QB he would have been playing ahead of Allar. Grunk was never entitled to anything, he got the starting job by default, and does definitely not have the right to say he's earned it. Let him come back next year and face Becht if he transfers in or anyone else and earn it rightfully.
Actually O'Brien's offense suited Hackenberg well and he excelled. It was after Franklin took over that he went down hill.
