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I will always be on the side of more football is better than no football. Especially in high school. The overwhelming majority of high school football players will never play after high school. So they get an extra game or two. So what?
Very true.

Also, not sure if this has been mentioned. Of course the IHSA is in favor of playoff expansion. More playoff games = more revenue for the IHSA. And I understand the member schools voted expansion into existence. It was not imposed by the IHSA.
 
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Hypothetically,
Team A went 3-6 this season. Their 3 wins were each against teams that were 1-8. They won those 3 games by a total of 17 points. Each of their 6 losses were by running clock, the closest margin of which was 34 points. Their point differential for the season was -257. Do you want them in the playoffs?
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Due to a situation like the above (or one with team numbers decimated by injuries, suspensions or quitting), COULD A TEAM OPT OUT without some IHSA sanction? Also, hate the bye at the HS level on principle.
I was just thinking about that. I think it would be great if a coach with common sense came out and said we're 2-7, we don't deserve a playoff spit and we're opting out.
 

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I will always be on the side of more football is better than no football. Especially in high school. The overwhelming majority of high school football players will never play after high school. So they get an extra game or two. So what?
Absolutely, more football isn't a bad thing and if that is what you want, make the season 10 weeks rather than letting 2-7 teams in the playoffs.

I would rather see some that actually fixes the problems of blowouts in the playoffs, seeding 1-32, and the increasing number of teams who decide not to field a team at the last minute.

I guess we will have to wait and see if it helps scheduling but my guess is the same teams that struggle to find games will still struggle to find games. Whether it's 2 wins or 5 wins, not many will sign on to the powerhouses unless they absolutely have to.
 
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Very true.

Also, not sure if this has been mentioned. Of course the IHSA is in favor of playoff expansion. More playoff games = more revenue for the IHSA. And I understand the member schools voted expansion into existence. It was not imposed by the IHSA.
Absolutely, more football isn't a bad thing and if that is what you want, make the season 10 weeks rather than letting 2-7 teams in the playoffs.

I would rather see some that actually fixes the problems of blowouts in the playoffs, seeding 1-32, and the increasing number of teams who decide not to field a team at the last minute.

I guess we will have to wait and see if it helps scheduling but my guess is the same teams that struggle to find games will still struggle to find games. Whether it's 2 wins or 5 wins, not many will sign on to the powerhouses unless they absolutely have to.
Maybe the issue isn't an extra game or two in the regular season or an expanded playoffs.

Maybe the IHSA should just change the way it seeds the playoffs. Instead of 1 playing 32 in the first round, why not cut the bracket in half and have 1 play 16 and then 17 play 32? From there, the brackets would eventually merge into one and we'd have a state champion for each class.

Better yet, why not create a mega bracket for Classes 1A and 2A and then 3A and 4A. 5A to 8A can be single brackets.
 

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Maybe the issue isn't an extra game or two in the regular season or an expanded playoffs.

Maybe the IHSA should just change the way it seeds the playoffs. Instead of 1 playing 32 in the first round, why not cut the bracket in half and have 1 play 16 and then 17 play 32? From there, the brackets would eventually merge into one and we'd have a state champion for each class.

Better yet, why not create a mega bracket for Classes 1A and 2A and then 3A and 4A. 5A to 8A can be single brackets.
Why should a 17 seed get an easier first round game than the 1 seed?
You are also guaranteeing a 17 seed or lower will make the championship game, which doesn't sound like a good idea.
 
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Maybe the issue isn't an extra game or two in the regular season or an expanded playoffs.

Maybe the IHSA should just change the way it seeds the playoffs. Instead of 1 playing 32 in the first round, why not cut the bracket in half and have 1 play 16 and then 17 play 32? From there, the brackets would eventually merge into one and we'd have a state champion for each class.

Better yet, why not create a mega bracket for Classes 1A and 2A and then 3A and 4A. 5A to 8A can be single brackets.
So screw the small schools let's just combine them?
 

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Excited to see the discourse that will happen when a 2-7 CCL team gets a CPS team Round 1 and Round 2! Lucky them!
 

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My hope is the only schools willing to play Roxanna will be Loyola, ESL, Mt. Carmel, LWE, JCA, Montini, Naz, St. Rita, Cary Grove, Fenwick, or Simeon. Thanks for jacking up the highly competitive out of state games for those programs which actually earn their way into the playoffs with a winning record.
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You do realize Roxana's proposal didn't even get voted on and the proposal that passed was from Monticello, right?
 

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Maybe the issue isn't an extra game or two in the regular season or an expanded playoffs.

Maybe the IHSA should just change the way it seeds the playoffs. Instead of 1 playing 32 in the first round, why not cut the bracket in half and have 1 play 16 and then 17 play 32? From there, the brackets would eventually merge into one and we'd have a state champion for each class.

Better yet, why not create a mega bracket for Classes 1A and 2A and then 3A and 4A. 5A to 8A can be single brackets.
I applaud the fact that you are trying to think outside the box, but I don't think you understand how tournament brackets work.

With that theory, it would be better to be a 17 seed than a top seed. When it is all said and done, at best, you would have a 1 versus 17 seed for a title game.
 
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At the former 256 qualifiers, that was a little over half of the number of 508 schools that started this past season playing varsity football. Other than the spring and fall 2021 seasons, which were still being impacted by the pandemic, Illinois has never witnessed fewer schools participating in football than last season.

At the rate that IHSA schools are forming football co-ops, moving to 8-man, or simply dropping football altogether, how much longer until all schools make the playoffs and until the number of classes will need to decrease in order to maintain the 384 qualifiers?
 
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Wilmington originally had a road game at Lena-Winslow week 2 (9/4/26)

Now 9/4 is the start of conference play, Wilmington schedule shows new week 1 (8/21) vs Bishop Mac and new week 2 (8/28) is open :(
Soucie already claiming we're losing non con matchups. Its possible many will be saved on the basis of both teams moving the date, but it's possible there are scheduling conflicts that are date sensitive that will cause some disruption, at least for next year.



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At the former 256 qualifiers, that was a little over half of the number of 508 schools that started this past season playing varsity football. Other than the spring and fall 2021 seasons, which were still being impacted by the pandemic, Illinois has never witnessed fewer schools participating in football than last season.

At the rate that IHSA schools are forming football co-ops, moving to 8-man, or simply dropping football altogether, how much longer until all schools make the playoffs and until the number of classes will need to decrease in order to maintain the 384 qualifiers?
They'll never go down from 8. They can always structure the byes however they want to make 8 work.
 

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Wilmington originally had a road game at Lena-Winslow week 2 (9/4/26)

Now 9/4 is the start of conference play, Wilmington schedule shows new week 1 (8/21) vs Bishop Mac and new week 2 (8/28) is open :(
Yep it's not gonna be as simple as everyone trading equivalent non-con weeks. And it can easily snowball once teams have to start dropping.

Luckily I don't think this is like ncaa with 4+ year out contracts. Hopefully it's just a reshuffle for one year.
 

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But 4-5 teams already make the playoffs. And have the last few years. So I guess some are good enough? And isn't 5 wins an arbitrary demarcation? I know society in general is going to default to nice round numbers (like .500 winning percentage) to make decisions, but that doesn't mean those numbers are the right number. Mundelein is another good example. They went 5-58 (.079 win percentage!!!!!!) in a 7 year stretch. That is awful. Then they showed some really good progress. They won 4-3-4-4 games in a four year stretch so they went 15-21 in those four years (.417 win percentage). That is a huge improvement. They beat playoff teams in those seasons but did not make the playoffs because they are in a good conference with 5 playoff teams. They did not get over the hump in any of those seasons unfortunately, like Zion Benton this year. I don't think rewarding those players with meaningful games, giving that community a playoff experience, waters down the field. Like you said, it's already watered down. If they win a play in game, then the next round game would be more competitive. Maybe it helps them recruit their own hallways and helps build momentum toward even more competitive football seasons moving forward. If they don't, then those kids were given one extra game.

I'm not blaming you persay, but I do not understand the sky is falling type comments from posters that act like kids at a 3-6 school playing 1 extra game hurts the integrity of football. If more kids and more communities playing more meaningful football hurts the integrity of football, then the integrity is not that strong to begin with.

Also I don't get the more blowouts. Because if you focus on the round of 32, either the 5-4 or 6-3 team will win the play-in game and they will play the team they traditionally play before the inclusion of these "underserving" teams. But if they "undeserving team" were to win, they certainly wouldn't lose by more than the team they just beat? So why does this lead to increase blowouts?
Since you are a CSL fan, you think a 2-7 Niles West team with 42 points belongs in the playoffs? Because, according to Soucie, they would qualify.

That would put 5 CSL North teams in the playoffs, with only Maine East out of the playoffs.

It's a race to the bottom and not to the top.
 
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I was just thinking about that. I think it would be great if a coach with common sense came out and said we're 2-7, we don't deserve a playoff spit and we're opting out.
Even if the 2-7 team didn't deserve a playoff spot, the rationale provided for opting out will be along the lines of what John Doe said. No coach wanting to keep his job next year will say that his squad didn't deserve a playoff spot and was choosing to opt out.
 

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I was just thinking about that. I think it would be great if a coach with common sense came out and said we're 2-7, we don't deserve a playoff spit and we're opting out.
What would justify a coach doing that? Do other sports have teams that do that in the early playoffs? Do teams opt of week 9 when they are 2-6? This is a weird thing that I hope coaches would not do.
 

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I join the crowd that finds this to be unquestionably a good thing. I also am as confused as some others about those who can't articulate anything beyond "this is soft!" and can't see the big picture beyond "back in my day, teams had to EARN their way in."

Sure, "back in the day" teams played their conference schedule, stayed in their conferences, and played some of the teams nearby for their out-of-conference slate. The teams that won more than they lost made the playoffs. But, as has been happening everywhere in sports (and in life) - people started to more deliberately "game" the system to try and get five wins. This ranged from teams jumping conferences to abandon a hopeless football situation, to conferences shuffling their own division alignments to help teams that are traditionally at the bottom of the standings, to teams hunting wins out of conference and refusing to play anyone they don't think they can beat. As someone who has worked in athletic departments at multiple schools, this creates chaos. Now the girls' freshman basketball team has to drive 45 minutes for every away conference basketball game because a school switched conferences to help their football team win more games. It's silly.

I'm not excusing those moves as sensical or good for those football programs. But it is the reality of what has happened. The other downstream consequence is that as these conferences shuffle, some teams that had made the playoffs are no longer qualifying or at risk of not qualifying. Your two annual guaranteed wins fled the conference. Now, even though you EARNED it in the past, you are having trouble finding five wins without your two in-conference cream puffs still around. So you're going to avoid playing anyone who might beat you in weeks 1 and 2. Those games just became critical for you to qualify for the playoffs with five wins (and be seen as worthy in the eyes of the old diehard high school football fans).

It has been much harder for many teams to schedule week 1 and 2 games as a result of the above. This has had some positive impacts as a fan - with annual fun matchups in the first weeks between highly ranked teams like Batavia and LWE and Glenbard West and MC vs ESL, etc. These have happened more frequently in recent years because no one would play these teams anymore. Every win is too important now. (And if you don't get five wins, you haven't earned anything or done it right.)

Some of these teams that have tried to game the system have made it work. They made the playoffs by playing an incredibly weak schedule and finding five wins. I don't really understand the motivation behind doing that just to say "I made the playoffs" and then getting smoked in a first-round away game, but alas, that's what some of these schools have done. And even though some of these teams would lose to the JV team of a 4-5 team in a better conference, they get to make the playoffs.

However, in this new system, any of these weaker 5-4 teams will play a first-round game against that 4-5 team from a stronger conference. And they will lose. And that's okay. They still get to say "we made the playoffs." And the 4-5 team that worked really hard and plays much better football, and has a situation where they are maybe a small fish in a big pond and therefore don't get to 5 wins a lot of years... they get to win a playoff game. And they likely offer a more competitive game in the second round than the 5-4 team would have. Good for fans, good for players. All good things.

I see the hypothetical above from a different poster about a team getting clocked 6 times and making the playoffs... so what? We have some teams that are pretty damn close to that already - where they find five wins against a weak schedule and get clocked four times and then get clocked in the playoffs. I don't think this team EARNED it more than the team whose athletic department has stayed in a tough conference, has a program that does all of the right things, and loses a few close games yet doesn't reach five wins. Again, the latter school is likely a little friskier in the playoffs. I gladly take the tradeoff between some 3-6 teams that "don't deserve" to be in by taking in more teams that are actually better at football and give their kids more meaningful games.

(That's without even getting into the fact that I could extend the hypothetical and put a mid-upper tier 7A public team into the CCL Blue - where they'd likely get clocked 5 or 6 times and yet still probably be a team that could win 2-3 playoff games. The complete discounting of the strength of schedule from the "if you don't get five wins, you don't deserve it" crowd is astounding. There are some really bad 5/6 win teams and some much better 3/4 win teams.)

More meaningful football games for more kids and more communities is a good thing. A team that loses its first five games is currently eliminated from the playoffs. They are practicing for fun and not playing for anything. But in this system, that team can get a key player back from a summer injury (whereas last year he would just choose to not return and focus on basketball season since football has no point after a fifth loss), improve their play, find a few wins in the last few weeks, be playing their best football at the end of the year (everyone's goal), get a win in the playoffs, and make some awesome freaking memories for themselves and their parents and their community. A stark contrast to "playing for pride" in weeks 6-9 in the prior system. You cannot convince me this is a bad thing just because some other "bad" programs might also make the playoffs.

This is high school sports. This is what it's about. More kids playing meaningful football, maybe causing them to fall a little too hard for the sport we love, and then being crazy enough to still be posting about it on a high school football message board 20 years later. Spreading the passion and energy. It's a good thing. I think a lot of good comes from this. I'm really happy for the kids today.
 

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I wasn't going to chime in, but there was some Prep Bowl talk, so....

1- Expanding the playoffs and moving the season up a week puts Illinois more in line with Indiana. Indiana doesn't require a dead week the last week of July, but a majority of teams take one.

2- Speaking of Indiana, every team qualifies for the playoffs - BUT THERE IS NO SEEDING! The IHSA plan is infinitely better in this regard. The regular season should matter in football.

3- Every sport qualifies every team or athlete at the beginning of the state tournament - except for football. Regardless how any of us feel about 2-7 teams getting into the playoffs, it happens in all other sports. The saving grace is that there will be seeding so the top teams are actually positioned to get further in the tournament. Again, every year in Indiana there are top 5 teams playing in the first or second round. At least we avoid that.

4- This probably comes from me loving CPL football, but who really cares about t shirts? Seriously.

I will always be on the side of more football is better than no football. Especially in high school. The overwhelming majority of high school football players will never play after high school. So they get an extra game or two. So what?
Ghost, I will always argue that the CPS belongs in the state tournament. Even with their lack of success.

But, should a Senn, which went 2-7 and 45 playoff points be in the playoffs? One of their losses was a forfeit.
 
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Well, yeah.....

The season starts one week earlier so are the players going to have enough time practice? Is equipment going to be ready? Are field renovations going to be completed? What about that August heat.

Yes, I hope somebody was thinking of the children.
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They'll never go down from 8. They can always structure the byes however they want to make 8 work.
Illinois had 6 classes for 545 schools playing football in 2000. In the 2025 season, there were 8 classes for 508 football playing schools (down from 516 the previous two seasons and 523 in 2022).

I'm not saying you are wrong that they will never go down from 8. I am saying that it's pathetic that they won't.
 
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What would justify a coach doing that? Do other sports have teams that do that in the early playoffs? Do teams opt of week 9 when they are 2-6? This is a weird thing that I hope coaches would not do.
What if they took a team vote and the consensus was they didn't want to play?

It is possible that a 2-6 team knows it's fate going into week 9 and decides to play backups or go with a different strategy that they haven't used all year, which could be viewed as a defacto way of opting out.
 

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Love high school football but most of these kids will not play sports after high school and expanding the season for high school is a bad move. We complain that students are specializing and it is hurting other sports, but the truth is IHSA has built in overlaps that are making it impossible for kids to play multiple sports. Now you expand the season. This is bad for all winter sports to tire out kids even more after a long a football season. Also you take away a built in break in the summer again your trying to make the playoffs more accessible but the unintentional consequences were not taken into account by a large amount of school officials.
 

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I join the crowd that finds this to be unquestionably a good thing. I also am as confused as some others about those who can't articulate anything beyond "this is soft!" and can't see the big picture beyond "back in my day, teams had to EARN their way in."

Sure, "back in the day" teams played their conference schedule, stayed in their conferences, and played some of the teams nearby for their out-of-conference slate. The teams that won more than they lost made the playoffs. But, as has been happening everywhere in sports (and in life) - people started to more deliberately "game" the system to try and get five wins. This ranged from teams jumping conferences to abandon a hopeless football situation, to conferences shuffling their own division alignments to help teams that are traditionally at the bottom of the standings, to teams hunting wins out of conference and refusing to play anyone they don't think they can beat. As someone who has worked in athletic departments at multiple schools, this creates chaos. Now the girls' freshman basketball team has to drive 45 minutes for every away conference basketball game because a school switched conferences to help their football team win more games. It's silly.

I'm not excusing those moves as sensical or good for those football programs. But it is the reality of what has happened. The other downstream consequence is that as these conferences shuffle, some teams that had made the playoffs are no longer qualifying or at risk of not qualifying. Your two annual guaranteed wins fled the conference. Now, even though you EARNED it in the past, you are having trouble finding five wins without your two in-conference cream puffs still around. So you're going to avoid playing anyone who might beat you in weeks 1 and 2. Those games just became critical for you to qualify for the playoffs with five wins (and be seen as worthy in the eyes of the old diehard high school football fans).

It has been much harder for many teams to schedule week 1 and 2 games as a result of the above. This has had some positive impacts as a fan - with annual fun matchups in the first weeks between highly ranked teams like Batavia and LWE and Glenbard West and MC vs ESL, etc. These have happened more frequently in recent years because no one would play these teams anymore. Every win is too important now. (And if you don't get five wins, you haven't earned anything or done it right.)

Some of these teams that have tried to game the system have made it work. They made the playoffs by playing an incredibly weak schedule and finding five wins. I don't really understand the motivation behind doing that just to say "I made the playoffs" and then getting smoked in a first-round away game, but alas, that's what some of these schools have done. And even though some of these teams would lose to the JV team of a 4-5 team in a better conference, they get to make the playoffs.

However, in this new system, any of these weaker 5-4 teams will play a first-round game against that 4-5 team from a stronger conference. And they will lose. And that's okay. They still get to say "we made the playoffs." And the 4-5 team that worked really hard and plays much better football, and has a situation where they are maybe a small fish in a big pond and therefore don't get to 5 wins a lot of years... they get to win a playoff game. And they likely offer a more competitive game in the second round than the 5-4 team would have. Good for fans, good for players. All good things.

I see the hypothetical above from a different poster about a team getting clocked 6 times and making the playoffs... so what? We have some teams that are pretty damn close to that already - where they find five wins against a weak schedule and get clocked four times and then get clocked in the playoffs. I don't think this team EARNED it more than the team whose athletic department has stayed in a tough conference, has a program that does all of the right things, and loses a few close games yet doesn't reach five wins. Again, the latter school is likely a little friskier in the playoffs. I gladly take the tradeoff between some 3-6 teams that "don't deserve" to be in by taking in more teams that are actually better at football and give their kids more meaningful games.

(That's without even getting into the fact that I could extend the hypothetical and put a mid-upper tier 7A public team into the CCL Blue - where they'd likely get clocked 5 or 6 times and yet still probably be a team that could win 2-3 playoff games. The complete discounting of the strength of schedule from the "if you don't get five wins, you don't deserve it" crowd is astounding. There are some really bad 5/6 win teams and some much better 3/4 win teams.)

More meaningful football games for more kids and more communities is a good thing. A team that loses its first five games is currently eliminated from the playoffs. They are practicing for fun and not playing for anything. But in this system, that team can get a key player back from a summer injury (whereas last year he would just choose to not return and focus on basketball season since football has no point after a fifth loss), improve their play, find a few wins in the last few weeks, be playing their best football at the end of the year (everyone's goal), get a win in the playoffs, and make some awesome freaking memories for themselves and their parents and their community. A stark contrast to "playing for pride" in weeks 6-9 in the prior system. You cannot convince me this is a bad thing just because some other "bad" programs might also make the playoffs.

This is high school sports. This is what it's about. More kids playing meaningful football, maybe causing them to fall a little too hard for the sport we love, and then being crazy enough to still be posting about it on a high school football message board 20 years later. Spreading the passion and energy. It's a good thing. I think a lot of good comes from this. I'm really happy for the kids today.
If you think this has anything to do with the kids I have some bad news for you. This is about making it easier to get in the playoffs so coaches and ADs keep administrators off their backs. This is an attempt to make scheduling easier so the fight for 5 wins is no longer a thing. This about making ADs lives easier so they don't have to work hard and do their jobs to schedule games.

As a previous post mentioned Soucie found two teams with 2-7 records who would have made the playoffs with both their wins coming via forfeit. I'm sorry but you should have to earn at least 1 win on the field to make the playoffs.

How meaningful for the kids is it if a 2-7 team gets clocked in that first round game. It's time to get back to teaching kids that there will be disappointment in life rather than changing systems to accommodate their feelings.
 

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Love high school football but most of these kids will not play sports after high school and expanding the season for high school is a bad move. We complain that students are specializing and it is hurting other sports, but the truth is IHSA has built in overlaps that are making it impossible for kids to play multiple sports. Now you expand the season. This is bad for all winter sports to tire out kids even more after a long a football season. Also you take away a built in break in the summer again your trying to make the playoffs more accessible but the unintentional consequences were not taken into account by a large amount of school officials.
I'll say it again, this isn't happening. They didn't change the commitment of the season. In fact, a player on a team that doesn't qualify (0-9 to 2-7 w/o enough points) will have an EXTRA week to prepare for their season.

Next year the winter season tryouts begin on November 9th. This is the quarterfinals. If a player is on a team that makes the quarterfinals, I think it is okay that they miss a little time of their winter sport. I'm not sure how expanding the field impacts winter sports in any way. It doesn't. The round of 32 next year is the same as the round of 32 this year and does not impact winter sports. The round of 16 doesn't either. I don't understand why I am seeing this argument. It is completely disingenuous.
 

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Love high school football but most of these kids will not play sports after high school and expanding the season for high school is a bad move. We complain that students are specializing and it is hurting other sports, but the truth is IHSA has built in overlaps that are making it impossible for kids to play multiple sports. Now you expand the season. This is bad for all winter sports to tire out kids even more after a long a football season. Also you take away a built in break in the summer again your trying to make the playoffs more accessible but the unintentional consequences were not taken into account by a large amount of school officials.
The season will still end Thanksgiving weekend so it's not expanding any further into winter sports any further than it already does.
 

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Since you are a CSL fan, you think a 2-7 Niles West team with 42 points belongs in the playoffs? Because, according to Soucie, they would qualify.

That would put 5 CSL North teams in the playoffs, with only Maine East out of the playoffs.

It's a race to the bottom and not to the top.
I guess I am confused as to where the line is on who "deserves" to be in the playoffs? Did the Niles West team of last year deserve to be in the playoffs so much more than this year's team simply because the ADs of the MSL/CSL chose for them to have far easier crossover games in weeks 3 and 4 (Elk Grove and Schaumburg in place of Hersey and Prospect)?

These two iterations of Niles West are not fundamentally that different, but one is considered "worthy" and the other is not? Niles West is a below-average football program. I'm okay with them getting a playoff game in both years if it means we also get more games for the numerous, much better football programs, too.
 

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Eh even in the context of adding more football, there's something in the neighborhood of 2,500 games played invovling IL teams each year. This adds 128. So about a 5% increase in games.

It's a long season as is. Those few extra games aren't make or break meaningful. And it's not why it's being done anyways.
 

CSLfan

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If you think this has anything to do with the kids I have some bad news for you. This is about making it easier to get in the playoffs so coaches and ADs keep administrators off their backs. This is an attempt to make scheduling easier so the fight for 5 wins is no longer a thing. This about making ADs lives easier so they don't have to work hard and do their jobs to schedule games.

As a previous post mentioned Soucie found two teams with 2-7 records who would have made the playoffs with both their wins coming via forfeit. I'm sorry but you should have to earn at least 1 win on the field to make the playoffs.

How meaningful for the kids is it if a 2-7 team gets clocked in that first round game. It's time to get back to teaching kids that there will be disappointment in life rather than changing systems to accommodate their feelings.
2 out of 384 is .5%. Just so you know. I think there are way more positives than the .5% of teams that got in through forfeit (which is ridiculous, I quite agree).

Yes, of course this is being made with adults in mind. If youth sports decisions were being made with kids best interest, it would look completely different. Basketball would not have gone to 31 games. But this new system gives greater access to communities and kids and the only negative people can come up with is "kids these days are soft". I just do not understand why people are so angry at a 2-7 team playing one more game. How does 4-5 Zion Benton playing an extra game against Willowbrook impacting any of the games or teams that you care about or follow? It just seems like fragile egos.

You completely ignored the fact that there is a 5-4 team that changed conferences, scheduled the easiest games they could possibly find, beat 5 teams with a combined record of 1-44 just to make the playoffs to accommodate their feelings and they also got clocked in the first round. But yeah, they really "earned" their way. Their winning percentage starts with a .500 so therefore they must "deserve" the playoffs.
 

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I guess I am confused as to where the line is on who "deserves" to be in the playoffs? Did the Niles West team of last year deserve to be in the playoffs so much more than this year's team simply because the ADs of the MSL/CSL chose for them to have far easier crossover games in weeks 3 and 4 (Elk Grove and Schaumburg in place of Hersey and Prospect)?

These two iterations of Niles West are not fundamentally that different, but one is considered "worthy" and the other is not? Niles West is a below-average football program. I'm okay with them getting a playoff game in both years if it means we also get more games for the numerous, much better football programs, too.
I never said "deserves". So please don't put words in my mouth.

What you are saying is and I will quote you directly is: "I'm okay with them getting a playoff game in both years if it means we also get more games for the numerous, much better football programs, too."

So, I take it that it that you are willing to sacrifice programs for the betterment of others?
 

4Afan

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2 out of 384 is .5%. Just so you know. I think there are way more positives than the .5% of teams that got in through forfeit (which is ridiculous, I quite agree).

Yes, of course this is being made with adults in mind. If youth sports decisions were being made with kids best interest, it would look completely different. Basketball would not have gone to 31 games. But this new system gives greater access to communities and kids and the only negative people can come up with is "kids these days are soft". I just do not understand why people are so angry at a 2-7 team playing one more game. How does 4-5 Zion Benton playing an extra game against Willowbrook impacting any of the games or teams that you care about or follow? It just seems like fragile egos.

You completely ignored the fact that there is a 5-4 team that changed conferences, scheduled the easiest games they could possibly find, beat 5 teams with a combined record of 1-44 just to make the playoffs to accommodate their feelings and they also got clocked in the first round. But yeah, they really "earned" their way. Their winning percentage starts with a .500 so therefore they must "deserve" the playoffs.
Stop with the benefits for communities and kids. Just this postseason there was a thread on this board about the lack of attendance for playoff games. You think the community for a 2-7 team is really gonna turn out for another clocking?

Couldn't agree more about 5-4 teams!! I've said for years we should go back to 6 classes.
 
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CSLfan

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Since you are a CSL fan, you think a 2-7 Niles West team with 42 points belongs in the playoffs? Because, according to Soucie, they would qualify.

That would put 5 CSL North teams in the playoffs, with only Maine East out of the playoffs.

It's a race to the bottom and not to the top.
"deserve to get in" is a completely arbitrary decision. I can think of dozens of schools that would not get in over some CSL North schools that get in. Vernon Hills made the playoffs, they lost to Lakes 49-6. Glenbrook North did not make the playoffs they beat Lakes. Why? Vernon Hills is in the CSL North and GBN is in the CSL South. So I guess that makes Vernon Hills more deserving? That seems like a weird justification. Deerfield, a long time member of the CSL North, beat GBN 24-2. They did not make the playoffs because they are the sacrificial lamb playing schools double and triple their size. What does deserve mean? I think 384 teams gives access to players who are in different situations access to more meaningful games and opportunities to make memories with their teammates and communities.

Just because a few extra teams get shirts doesn't mean this a bad thing. It's high school sports.
 

RunNorth-South

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If you think this has anything to do with the kids I have some bad news for you. This is about making it easier to get in the playoffs so coaches and ADs keep administrators off their backs. This is an attempt to make scheduling easier so the fight for 5 wins is no longer a thing. This about making ADs lives easier so they don't have to work hard and do their jobs to schedule games.

As a previous post mentioned Soucie found two teams with 2-7 records who would have made the playoffs with both their wins coming via forfeit. I'm sorry but you should have to earn at least 1 win on the field to make the playoffs.

How meaningful for the kids is it if a 2-7 team gets clocked in that first round game. It's time to get back to teaching kids that there will be disappointment in life rather than changing systems to accommodate their feelings.
I'm not sure if you actually work with kids, but to state with such definitiveness that it's ONLY about coaches and ADS worried about administrators is a stretch, if not plain ignorant. As I tried to outline, there is good that will happen for kids - whether you think that is the impetus for the proposal or not.

I also need to ask - is every other sport pointless since every team makes the playoffs? What is the obsession with "earning" playoffs? I don't get it. Two teams would have made it with forfeits. So what? They didn't get to play two games. That sucks. You get, minimum, 36 games of high school football (if you're healthy). Those kids didn't get to play 2 of their 36 games. But now they get to schedule a 37th game and the sport is ruined? Because some old guys with canes think they haven't passed some arbitrary line in the sand of "earning it"?

Lots of posts keep saying "if a team gets clocked" - again, so what? That's happening anyway. It might happen less now in the new Round 2 since some decent 3-6 teams will likely beat the poser 5-4 teams from weaker conferences in the new Round 1. I don't get why this is so horrific.

To boil down the life lessons of football to "you won't learn about how there is disappointment in life if we let you make the playoffs and lose" is a pretty bad take. I can think of lots of ways that football still teaches the life lesson of disappointment - even if more teams qualify for the playoffs. Again, it happens in literally every other sport. This is an arbitrary line in the sand that football has drawn.
 
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Cross Bones

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Wilmington originally had a road game at Lena-Winslow week 2 (9/4/26)

Now 9/4 is the start of conference play, Wilmington schedule shows new week 1 (8/21) vs Bishop Mac and new week 2 (8/28) is open :(
Believe The Brook may be open week 2. Will County Bowl?
 
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jsoulis

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Reality Check : IF your team is BAD you do not get rewarded!!!!

Instead of changing the rules for your team to make the playoffs how about this novel idea: win some games!
Why have a season if nearly everyone makes it? The whole point of the season is win games and improve your team week by week to qualify for the playoffs, and we are eliminating this? What is next, do we stop keeping score for the sake of equity?
As it stands, even if your team is in a tough conference, with 2 or 3 great teams. You have another 6 games your team can win to get in.
There was a time when there were no playoffs, this caused teams to be crowned champions that probably didnt deserve it. Then some where along the line playoffs were created to have the BEST teams compete for the championship! But this seams to have gotten lost as we kept expanding. Now almost ALL teams can line up and go pick up your trophies. Football used to echo real life. In life, winners get rewarded and losers get left behind. Why are we trying to soften this harsh reality for our athletes. How do you think they feel knowing their 2 win team has been invited to the playoffs? Life is about competing and playoffs were designed for the best teams in the regular season to compete for it all. Lets not change this to be about something else.
 

RunNorth-South

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I never said "deserves". So please don't put words in my mouth.

What you are saying is and I will quote you directly is: "I'm okay with them getting a playoff game in both years if it means we also get more games for the numerous, much better football programs, too."

So, I take it that it that you are willing to sacrifice programs for the betterment of others?
You are trying to stake a claim on who "belongs" (the word you used) and who doesn't. That is in the same spirit of the word "deserves." I don't think there's much confusion on my part about what you're trying to say.

I am, however, confused by your question. What am I "sacrificing" by saying I'm okay with more teams getting football games? What does that mean?
 
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