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richthedentist said:
How many years more do we have to watch his teams run absolutely zero offense
What in gods name do we practice not one off the ball screen or basic middle school plays
Impossible to watch
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pretty much this. it’s already been established he doesn’t care about offense. zero continuity . zero off ball movement , zero back screening even against pressure . we dont even run zoom or get action which pretty kick every team in college and pros do. So easy to guard, especially with zero guys who can break you don’t off the dribble. not only do his concepts suck, but his philosophy sucks as we take way more midrange twos than probably any team i’ve seen. just ****** all around
 
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richthedentist said:
How many years more do we have to watch his teams run absolutely zero offense
What in gods name do we practice not one off the ball screen or basic middle school plays
Impossible to watch
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As troubling is his defense. It creates open looms for the opposition. He’s not cut out for this anymore.
 
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Fire Knight immediately and give his money to the next transfer portal guys. We could run the same offense without any coaches.
 
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it's been the same thing for years. he has no offensive plans. he refuses to bring in any coaches that have a clue about running an offense.
 
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Offense is literally painful to watch

We all know Zrno can shoot. We should be setting more screens, double screens and triple screens for him

We didn’t do much for Cam Spencer either but he’s a good NBA player already in year 2 so his skills overcame the lack of offense

he went to UConn to actually play in a real
Offense and got himself in the nba radar/ brilliant move
 
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Wrong like everyone else. Of course they know offense. Ridiculous. These are long-time professional coaches.

The elephant in the room is the stunning lack of talent for a supposedly high-major program. We all agree we have no one who would start anywhere else high major. The adage “can’t make chicken salad from chicken sh*t” applies. It’s 100% the Jimmys and the Joes.

Not just picking on Davis after last night, but he’s been bad at all aspects of the game except FTs since he first got here. If not for the Ace link he’d be a garbage time player at Tennesee Tech. For a third year player, he flat out stinks.

Two other micro guards are marginally better. Dortch has no ability on O and yet Nwuli is 10 times worse. Badalau isn’t even Martini and starts bc there’s no one better.

Only possible mid major starters are Grant and Zrno.

Calculus can’t be taught to fourth graders.

Thought exercise: give Painter or McCaffrey this roster. They’d realize quickly the players aren’t capable of more than what you see.
 
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RUChet said:
Offense is literally painful to watch

We all know Zrno can shoot. We should be setting more screens, double screens and triple screens for him

We didn’t do much for Cam Spencer either but he’s a good NBA player already in year 2 so his skills overcame the lack of offense

he went to UConn to actually play in a real
Offense and got himself in the nba radar/ brilliant move
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It’s a team game. Far, far superior talent at UConn to play with.
 
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Shelby65 said:
Thought exercise: give Painter or McCaffrey this roster. They’d realize quickly the players aren’t capable of more than what you see.
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I think both of those coaches would at least make three point shooting a priority and the team would be better off for it.
 
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Our "offense" under Pike has been to have 1 or 2 guys on the roster that could make something out of nothing. Sanders, RHJ, Geo, Jacob Young, Cam, the lotto picks etc. We have absolutely none of that now. Not one guy. And we are still taking midrange junk as a total % of our shots that would make the 90s NBA blush. Our coaching staff is completely incapable of creating better looks or even minimizing those terrible shots
 
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Wrong like everyone else. Of course they know offense. Ridiculous. These are long-time professional coaches.

The elephant in the room is the stunning lack of talent for a supposedly high-major program. We all agree we have no one who would start anywhere else high major. The adage “can’t make chicken salad from chicken sh*t” applies. It’s 100% the Jimmys and the Joes.

Not just picking on Davis after last night, but he’s been bad at all aspects of the game except FTs since he first got here. If not for the Ace link he’d be a garbage time player at Tennesee Tech. For a third year player, he flat out stinks.

Two other micro guards are marginally better. Dortch has no ability on O and yet Nwuli is 10 times worse. Badalau isn’t even Martini and starts bc there’s no one better.

Only possible mid major starters are Grant and Zrno.

Calculus can’t be taught to fourth graders.

Thought exercise: give Painter or McCaffrey this roster. They’d realize quickly the players aren’t capable of more than what you see.
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Great coaches setup their players for success. We run the same BS over and over again expecting different results (as if we had the talent) - definition of insanity
 
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I think both of those coaches would at least make three point shooting a priority and the team would be better off for it.
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3 pt shooting LOL. Again, doesn’t have the players for it. .Zrno seems ok from deep, and sometimes Grant. That’s not enough to exploit a defense with our dollar store guards. Who else ? Davis and Mark LOL ? Dortch ?

And last year Martini almost went 0 for the season and Hayes wasn’t much better. And sure, let’s pick and pop with Ogbole shooting jumpers too. That’s good basketball, right ? That’s real offense ?!

With this roster, he prioritizes with what he has to work with. The crap roster is his fault, sure. But not the offense he runs. He does know the game.

You can’t make a Ford with Chevy parts, or in this case, home appliance parts. You can’t win a chess match with only pawns. Our game pieces suck, unfortunately.
 
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ScarletJocko said:
Our "offense" under Pike has been to have 1 or 2 guys on the roster that could make something out of nothing. Sanders, RHJ, Geo, Jacob Young, Cam, the lotto picks etc. We have absolutely none of that now. Not one guy. And we are still taking midrange junk as a total % of our shots that would make the 90s NBA blush. Our coaching staff is completely incapable of creating better looks or even minimizing those terrible shots
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What makes you think our players who can’t hit midrange shots can make threes ?

They have no range to begin with and shooting from farther back makes things even worse.
 
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Shelby65 said:
What makes you think our players who can’t hit midrange shots can make threes ?

They have no range to begin with and shooting from farther back makes things even worse.
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If in 2025 you still do not understand the importance of taking 3's over midrange 2's then I dont know what to tell you. Modern basketball has passed you by. You do not fully grasp the importance of points per possession or even basic modern offensive spacing

We are shooting 32% (36/112) from the field from midrange. That is .64 PPP. It is a shot defenses WANT US TO TAKE

We are shooting 34.8% from 3. That is 1.044 PPP

We would have to fall all the way to 21% from 3 to equal the points per possession of our midrange 2's

The fact that this has never been addressed in 10+ years of coaching by this staff, and may even be worse than ever, is coaching malpractice
 
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richthedentist said:
How many years more do we have to watch his teams run absolutely zero offense
What in gods name do we practice not one off the ball screen or basic middle school plays
Impossible to watch
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Our use of transfer portal as well as recruiting under Pike has been abysmal. The list of fails is a mile long. Spencer was probably only transfer win and then he immediately bolted and dissed our program. We desperately need new leadership. We are fielding guys who are basically all low to mid major.
 
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Wrong like everyone else. Of course they know offense. Ridiculous. These are long-time professional coaches.

The elephant in the room is the stunning lack of talent for a supposedly high-major program. We all agree we have no one who would start anywhere else high major. The adage “can’t make chicken salad from chicken sh*t” applies. It’s 100% the Jimmys and the Joes.

Not just picking on Davis after last night, but he’s been bad at all aspects of the game except FTs since he first got here. If not for the Ace link he’d be a garbage time player at Tennesee Tech. For a third year player, he flat out stinks.

Two other micro guards are marginally better. Dortch has no ability on O and yet Nwuli is 10 times worse. Badalau isn’t even Martini and starts bc there’s no one better.

Only possible mid major starters are Grant and Zrno.

Calculus can’t be taught to fourth graders.

Thought exercise: give Painter or McCaffrey this roster. They’d realize quickly the players aren’t capable of more than what you see.
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Agree w it all except Pike and staff have ZERO offensive bones in there body!

They do not and NEVER have fun entice offensive sets. The lone staple is high pick and roll.

it’s a ISO offense for 10 plus years which is not a offense.
 
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ScarletJocko said:
If in 2025 you still do not understand the importance of taking 3's over midrange 2's then I dont know what to tell you. Modern basketball has passed you by. You do not fully grasp the importance of points per possession or even basic modern offensive spacing

We are shooting 32% (36/112) from the field from midrange. That is .64 PPP. It is a shot defenses WANT US TO TAKE

We are shooting 34.8% from 3. That is 1.044 PPP

We would have to fall all the way to 21% from 3 to equal the points per possession of our midrange 2's

The fact that this has never been addressed in 10+ years of coaching by this staff, and may even be worse than ever, is coaching malpractice
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Shelby understands analytics. So does Pikiell. And as you sidestep, increased volume doesn’t translate. Which rotation is highest ppp? Play that group more ? You want Mark or Davis shooting more ?

Be specific. How to increase 3 pt shooting volume and ppp ?
 
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Shelby65 said:
Shelby understands analytics. So does Pikiell. And as you sidestep, increased volume doesn’t translate. Which rotation is highest ppp? Play that group more ? You want Mark or Davis shooting more ?

Be specific. How to increase 3 pt shooting volume and ppp ?
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Yes, I want Mark and Davis shooting more 3's. I thought that was such an obvious point it didn't even need to be said.

We both agree Rutgers lacks talent. And when you lack talent, that is even more reason to put up more 3's if you want any shot at all at competing. When you lack talent, what you DONT do is take a bunch of the worst shots on the court that the opposing defense wants you taking. The highest 3PA teams in the nation are littered with teams lacking talent (along with national contenders with elite offenses)

All I am asking for is a concerted effort to manufacture these looks. But they take coaching and proper on court timing to develop those looks. Baseline screens/flare screens to find a guy in the corner. Hard screen the baseline screener to pop out for his own look. A fking elevator screen to get one of our shooters a clean look once in a while. The slightest semblance of offball movement and off ball screens. We do almost none of this correctly and end up in Iso situations, desperation middies and driving into a wall in the paint
 
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Yes, I want Mark and Davis shooting more 3's. I thought that was such an obvious point it didn't even need to be said.

We both agree Rutgers lacks talent. And when you lack talent, that is even more reason to put up more 3's if you want any shot at all at competing. When you lack talent, what you DONT do is take a bunch of the worst shots on the court that the opposing defense wants you taking. The highest 3PA teams in the nation are littered with teams lacking talent (along with national contenders with elite offenses)

All I am asking for is a concerted effort to manufacture these looks. But they take coaching and proper on court timing to develop those looks. Baseline screens/flare screens to find a guy in the corner. Hard screen the baseline screener to pop out for his own look. A fking elevator screen to get one of our shooters a clean look once in a while. The slightest semblance of offball movement and off ball screens. We do almost none of this correctly and end up in Iso situations, desperation middies and driving into a wall in the paint
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Ok, I can’t help it: since you don’t think Pike knows that 3s are worth more than 2s, maybe send him an email to inform him.

Poor shooters should shoot fewer long jumpers, not more. That’s indisputable. The best use of Mark (is he still 0 for the season from deep?), JMiss and of course Buchanan, Dortch all the frontcourt players is to shoot from as close to the hoop as possible because we know by now (and JMiss for three years) their jumpers are essentially turnovers.
 
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Shelby65 said:
3 pt shooting LOL. Again, doesn’t have the players for it. .Zrno seems ok from deep, and sometimes Grant. That’s not enough to exploit a defense with our dollar store guards. Who else ? Davis and Mark LOL ? Dortch ?

And last year Martini almost went 0 for the season and Hayes wasn’t much better. And sure, let’s pick and pop with Ogbole shooting jumpers too. That’s good basketball, right ? That’s real offense ?!

With this roster, he prioritizes with what he has to work with. The crap roster is his fault, sure. But not the offense he runs. He does know the game.

You can’t make a Ford with Chevy parts, or in this case, home appliance parts. You can’t win a chess match with only pawns. Our game pieces suck, unfortunately.
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Davis, Zrno, Buchanan, and Grant are all at or above 40% from 3. Do I think any of them are amazing shooters? No, but they're good enough so far this season that I think they should attempt more. I don't know, maybe the coaching staff is already trying to get them open shots and I'm just not seeing it. It seems to me like they just pass the ball around with the hope of finding someone who is open, rather than actually trying to make it happen.
 
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Shelby65 said:
Thought exercise: give Painter or McCaffrey this roster. They’d realize quickly the players aren’t capable of more than what you see.
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THIS. No one ever seems to answer it when it's addressed either.

There is no coach in America who is going to make this roster look like a good offensive team. You need offensive talent to do that. You need guys who can go get you a bucket when you need it because there is a shot clock and defenses stop "sets" all the time. We run action almost every time down the floor. More times than not it doesn't work and that is a result of talent.

Just saying shoot more 3s is great and all. But defenses are designed to stop it. At some point you are going to have to get those 3s off by jumping higher...releasing quicker...hitting from deeper. We don't have guys who can do that. Zrno's release it quite quick...but again saying set a screen for him is great and all but is he fast enough to use it before defenses shut it down? I don't see that personally.

You can blame Pike or the lack of NIL or both (correct) for this roster and the lack of talent but thinking there is some magically coaching fix out there that is going to make this collective group of players into even an average offense is just ignorant imo.
 
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THIS. No one ever seems to answer it when it's addressed either.

There is no coach in America who is going to make this roster look like a good offensive team. You need offensive talent to do that. You need guys who can go get you a bucket when you need it because there is a shot clock and defenses stop "sets" all the time. We run action almost every time down the floor. More times than not it doesn't work and that is a result of talent.

Just saying shoot more 3s is great and all. But defenses are designed to stop it. At some point you are going to have to get those 3s off by jumping higher...releasing quicker...hitting from deeper. We don't have guys who can do that. Zrno's release it quite quick...but again saying set a screen for him is great and all but is he fast enough to use it before defenses shut it down? I don't see that personally.

You can blame Pike or the lack of NIL or both (correct) for this roster and the lack of talent but thinking there is some magically coaching fix out there that is going to make this collective group of players into even an average offense is just ignorant imo.
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Agree completely, but the offense can be run better. We don't make defenses work very much. It's a lot of outside the arc action then make a play.
 
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As I said in the game thread, if Keli is forced to keep Pikiell, because of the hefty buyout, she should fire Knight and bring in a real x’s & o’s coach.
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That is another one of Pikell's flaws he is too loyal to a fault and that goes with coaches!!
 
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Agree w it all except Pike and staff have ZERO offensive bones in there body!

They do not and NEVER have fun entice offensive sets. The lone staple is high pick and roll.

it’s a ISO offense for 10 plus years which is not a offense.
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And we can't even run the high pick and roll because Ogbole is clueless
 
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