Why Can't RU Find Someone Like This?

mdk02

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Rutgers was generally late to the game in development and fundraising. I can't pinpoint the amount related to athletics, but assume it did vary significantly from that trend.

The question now is how to catch up.
 
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tru2ru1

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Funny thing is that the Williams's are not the wealthiest of the Michigan State donors. Former walk on basketball player Mat Ishbia is the founder of United Wholesale Mortage & owner of the Pheonix Suns, Dan Gilbert is the founder of Quicken Loans, Tom Gores is owner of the Detroit Pistons & Steve St. Andre is co founder of a cybersecurity firm Renaissance. All 4 are multi billionaires & donore to MSU Athletics.
 

eddynyse

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Funny thing is that the Williams's are not the wealthiest of the Michigan State donors. Former walk on basketball player Mat Ishbia is the founder of United Wholesale Mortage & owner of the Pheonix Suns, Dan Gilbert is the founder of Quicken Loans, Tom Gores is owner of the Detroit Pistons & Steve St. Andre is co founder of a cybersecurity firm Renaissance. All 4 are multi billionaires & donore to MSU Athletics.
And with all of those billionaire donors, it's not like Michigan State has been super successful in football since Dantonio. It's not easy or cheap finding a good coach that can get you to a winning Season. Due to our limited resources and external financial support, the administration needs to be super smart and cautious about who they hire and fire.
 

RUGuitarMan1

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Why don't we have a relationship with Johnson & Johnson where it would benefit Athletics?
By all means please try to convince Woody Johnson to sell the NY Jets organization, so he could use his financial resources to help RU football. It would be a win -win for all involved as long as Zinn and Schiano kept him away from football operations.
 

AdventureHasAName

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Because the administration, faculty and staff has spent the last 75 years (minimum) making things as difficult for its students has humanly possible. And because of this, a far smaller portion of Rutgers' alumni feel a lifelong positive connection to the school than they do at other similarly sized universities. It also doesn't help that the school's politics have shifted dramatically in one direction because persons who no longer share the school's politics are less likely to want to donate.

We have the donor base the school cultivated and wanted.
 

Jtung230

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Because the administration, faculty and staff has spent the last 75 years (minimum) making things as difficult for its students has humanly possible. And because of this, a far smaller portion of Rutgers' alumni feel a lifelong positive connection to the school than they do at other similarly sized universities. It also doesn't help that the school's politics have shifted dramatically in one direction because persons who no longer share the school's politics are less likely to want to donate.

We have the donor base the school cultivated and wanted.
Can you list all the donors that can make this type of donations at RU?
 
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mdk02

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Hell, we've got a billionaire or close to it who wrestled here and gives absolute d*ck back. He was giving to Nick Saban instead. That's called your administration doing a piss poor job of cultivating the want to give back.

Not even to the wrestling team, a winning program? Somebody, or some people, screwed the pooch big time
 

Knight Shift

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Because we don’t have a lot fans. And most fans we have are cheap.
The first part is Rutgers fault. Fans like winners. And that is no different than anywhere else.
Second part is not necessarily true. Some fans have tried, been rebuffed, ignored, forgotten, or otherwise made to feel like they were not a priority and stopped giving.
In the instance of one big hit, the Home Depot founder, now deceased, Rutgers did a terrible job at establishing the relationship and the ask, turning the guy off forever.
In summary, the fault, dear Brutus is not within the fans themselves, but within Rutgers.
 

Knight Shift

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Hell, we've got a billionaire or close to it who wrestled here and gives absolute d*ck back. He was giving to Nick Saban instead. That's called your administration doing a piss poor job of cultivating the want to give back.
Ding, ding, ding.
 
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koleszar

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Not even to the wrestling team, a winning program? Somebody, or some people, screwed the pooch big time
Nope, even his cousin wrestled here and he attended some matches. Goodale is way out of his depth in the NIL game just as the administration is.
 

mdk02

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Nope, even his cousin wrestled here and he attended some matches. Goodale is way out of his depth in the NIL game just as the administration is.

Has he donated elsewhere? Unless he hasn't there's no excuse, and I don't just mean the athletic department
 

rutgersguy2

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Yes Alabama.
I didn’t know who you were talking about. Looks like he met Saban through Mercedes and Saban is a minority partner in his dealerships.

 
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AdventureHasAName

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I didn’t know who you were talking about. Looks like he met Saban through Mercedes and Saban is a minority partner in his dealerships.

I think he was referring to Sean DeDeyn.
 

Jtung230

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Hell, we've got a billionaire or close to it who wrestled here and gives absolute d*ck back. He was giving to Nick Saban instead. That's called your administration doing a piss poor job of cultivating the want to give back.
NM
 

Jtung230

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Bernie Marcus
Thomas Renyi
Duncan MacMillan
Jack Byrne
Harvey Schwartz
Stephen Chazen
Gary Rodkin
Mark Fields
Bill Rasmussen
Bernie’s story is well documented. He wants nothing to do with RU. Was only “forced” to attend.
Many on the list are supporters of Rutgers. Maybe not on athletics. But they give back are currently involve on the academic side.
 
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RUBlackout

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Hell, we've got a billionaire or close to it who wrestled here and gives absolute d*ck back. He was giving to Nick Saban instead. That's called your administration doing a piss poor job of cultivating the want to give back.
So why doesnt he offer to pay to get Saban to come to RU as our coach instead then lol
 
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CollegeSenior

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Bernie Marcus died a year ago. He’s unlikely to give RU more money from the grave than he did while he was alive.
 

CollegeSenior

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Marcus also has advice for prospective grantees. His basic lesson: Don’t waste his time by pretending the “chat” you came to the Marcus Foundation for is anything less than a fundraising pitch.

If you have a meeting with Marcus Foundation staff, he writes, “Don’t lie about your visit. Don’t act like you are just ‘in the neighborhood.’ Be bold and explain what you need and why. Success depends on making your intentions clear. Otherwise, nobody will trust you.”

His case study of bad fundraising is Rutgers. Shortly after Marcus co-founded Home Depot, he received a call from the president of Rutgers inviting him to give a speech to the business school. “But it became really obvious that he wanted me to donate millions to name a building,” Marcus writes.

Marcus explains that the Rutgers president should have let him give the speech, invited Marcus to meet members of the Rutgers board, and then gradually build a connection that would lead to a donation over the long term. Instead, Marcus writes, the Rutgers president “pulled a bait-and switch,” and the deception made sure that the Marcus Foundation checkbook would remain firmly closed to Rutgers University.

“I had two degrees from Rutgers and would likely have become an enthusiastic donor,” Marcus writes. “I was the very definition of low-hanging fruit.”

“I have donated millions to colleges and universities all over the United States for the past 30 years—Johns Hopkins, Emory, Case Western Reserve, and Duke. Note that Rutgers is not on the list.”
 

Jtung230

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Marcus also has advice for prospective grantees. His basic lesson: Don’t waste his time by pretending the “chat” you came to the Marcus Foundation for is anything less than a fundraising pitch.

If you have a meeting with Marcus Foundation staff, he writes, “Don’t lie about your visit. Don’t act like you are just ‘in the neighborhood.’ Be bold and explain what you need and why. Success depends on making your intentions clear. Otherwise, nobody will trust you.”

His case study of bad fundraising is Rutgers. Shortly after Marcus co-founded Home Depot, he received a call from the president of Rutgers inviting him to give a speech to the business school. “But it became really obvious that he wanted me to donate millions to name a building,” Marcus writes.

Marcus explains that the Rutgers president should have let him give the speech, invited Marcus to meet members of the Rutgers board, and then gradually build a connection that would lead to a donation over the long term. Instead, Marcus writes, the Rutgers president “pulled a bait-and switch,” and the deception made sure that the Marcus Foundation checkbook would remain firmly closed to Rutgers University.

“I had two degrees from Rutgers and would likely have become an enthusiastic donor,” Marcus writes. “I was the very definition of low-hanging fruit.”

“I have donated millions to colleges and universities all over the United States for the past 30 years—Johns Hopkins, Emory, Case Western Reserve, and Duke. Note that Rutgers is not on the list.”
He is so full of ****. He was pissed that he was “forced” to go to Rutgers. Always thought he was too good for RU and only went there due to money. For some reason, he held that against Rutgers.
 

NickRU714

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Hot take: Donations like this are the root of everything people complain about that is "ruining" college athletics.
This is so much worse than NIL, athletes getting paid or transfers.
 
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LotusAggressor_rivals

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Marcus also has advice for prospective grantees. His basic lesson: Don’t waste his time by pretending the “chat” you came to the Marcus Foundation for is anything less than a fundraising pitch.

If you have a meeting with Marcus Foundation staff, he writes, “Don’t lie about your visit. Don’t act like you are just ‘in the neighborhood.’ Be bold and explain what you need and why. Success depends on making your intentions clear. Otherwise, nobody will trust you.”

His case study of bad fundraising is Rutgers. Shortly after Marcus co-founded Home Depot, he received a call from the president of Rutgers inviting him to give a speech to the business school. “But it became really obvious that he wanted me to donate millions to name a building,” Marcus writes.

Marcus explains that the Rutgers president should have let him give the speech, invited Marcus to meet members of the Rutgers board, and then gradually build a connection that would lead to a donation over the long term. Instead, Marcus writes, the Rutgers president “pulled a bait-and switch,” and the deception made sure that the Marcus Foundation checkbook would remain firmly closed to Rutgers University.

“I had two degrees from Rutgers and would likely have become an enthusiastic donor,” Marcus writes. “I was the very definition of low-hanging fruit.”

“I have donated millions to colleges and universities all over the United States for the past 30 years—Johns Hopkins, Emory, Case Western Reserve, and Duke. Note that Rutgers is not on the list.”
Ouch.
 

Knight Shift

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He is so full of ****. He was pissed that he was “forced” to go to Rutgers. Always thought he was too good for RU and only went there due to money. For some reason, he held that against Rutgers.
Geez, you are batting 0.000 the past few days. Have heard from very good sources and big RU donors how Rutgers blew it with Bernie Marcus. And they still get it wrong with existing and prospective donors. Clueless when it comes to how to ask or set up the ask to the point they turn off prospective large somors.
 

mdk02

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He is so full of ****. He was pissed that he was “forced” to go to Rutgers. Always thought he was too good for RU and only went there due to money. For some reason, he held that against Rutgers.

Even if true, which I doubt, you don't promise a chat and deliver a pitch. Donation like those being discussed rarely come out of the blue. It takes time and patience. It sounds like Rutgers did neither.
 
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Jtung230

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What are your sources?

My son was a director in one of Bernie’s foundations. I’ll take Bernie’s own words and my son’s word.
Which RU president tried the bait and switch? He must really love the school to punish it because one man’s action. There was an article a while back highlighting him as an accomplished alum. His quotes were more about how he got cheated out of Harvard than the fun memories he had at RU. Work with a lot guys like that. They tell you were they went to school followed up by telling you they got into Brown or other Ivy’s but couldn’t afford it.

Please do share what Bernie said to your son about RU.
 

Jtung230

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Even if true, which I doubt, you don't promise a chat and deliver a pitch. Donation like those being discussed rarely come out of the blue. It takes time and patience. It sounds like Rutgers did neither.
I don’t doubt that the story with the president was true. I would like to know which president it was. We had a few RU presidents. Why punish the school because one guy?
 

rutgersguy2

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Which RU president tried the bait and switch? He must really love the school to punish it because one man’s action. There was an article a while back highlighting him as an accomplished alum. His quotes were more about how he got cheated out of Harvard than the fun memories he had at RU. Work with a lot guys like that. They tell you were they went to school followed up by telling you they got into Brown or other Ivy’s but couldn’t afford it.

Please do share what Bernie said to your son about RU.
Looks like HD was founded in the late 70s so that would coincide with Bloustein.
 

mdk02

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I don’t doubt that the story with the president was true. I would like to know which president it was. We had a few RU presidents. Why punish the school because one guy?

Maybe it was the one guy who contacted him. Was there a low key effort to build a bridge, which should have been done by that president? And probably should have been done years ago