KF needs to stop receiving the opening kick

The Big Z

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I'd say a blocked FG return for TD and an easy missed FG, a throw that literally bounced off our receiver's chest and was picked all had way more to do with what happened in that game.
Giving IU 7 on the first drive when they scored 20 for the whole game had nothing to do with it?
 

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On opening drives against P4 teams, Iowa has taken 14 plays for 16 yards and 2 INTs. Zero points.

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So what happens if we kick off and they march right down the field and score? We are not a good come from behind team.
 
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So what happens if we kick off and they march right down the field and score? We are not a good come from behind team.
Same thing that happens if we go 3 and out, punt, and they march right down the field to score on their first possession.

If being down by 1 TD is a game-ender, your team is in serious trouble.

There are a lot of fans here who have a serious case of KFz Stockholm syndrome.
 

herkhatescy2

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Same thing that happens if we go 3 and out, punt, and they march right down the field to score on their first possession.

If being down by 1 TD is a game-ender, your team is in serious trouble.

There are a lot of fans here who have a serious case of KFz Stockholm syndrome.
Still if you go 3 and out you're taking a few minutes off the clock. As to where they march right down and score and take 6 minutes off the clock that's most of the 1st quarter that we won't have much time to score so we're down 7 after the 1st quarter.
 

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Arguments both ways, obviously, but the reasons I like Iowa starting with the ball:

1) Good punter. If opening drive goes nowhere, we can typically still pin them back inside their 25.

2) Being in control of direction in 2nd half, particularly 4th quarter (wind, end zone with stadium enclosed and/or student section, etc).

3) Phil Parker halftime adjustments. Iowa is a great 2nd half defensive team. Don’t know numbers but my guess is that Iowa does considerably better against 2nd half opening drives compared to game opening drives.
 

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Still if you go 3 and out you're taking a few minutes off the clock. As to where they march right down and score and take 6 minutes off the clock that's most of the 1st quarter that we won't have much time to score so we're down 7 after the 1st quarter.
You're kidding, right?

How bout we put in 10 offensive linemen, form a circle 3-5 yards around the QB holding the defense at bay so we can run as much time off the clock as possible!
 

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Arguments both ways, obviously, but the reasons I like Iowa starting with the ball:

1) Good punter. If opening drive goes nowhere, we can typically still pin them back inside their 25.

2) Being in control of direction in 2nd half, particularly 4th quarter (wind, end zone with stadium enclosed and/or student section, etc).

3) Phil Parker halftime adjustments. Iowa is a great 2nd half defensive team. Don’t know numbers but my guess is that Iowa does considerably better against 2nd half opening drives compared to game opening drives.
Admittedly I am in favor of deferring because I think that the kickoff coverage and defense are 2 of the biggest strengths of this team. Get a stop and another strength, punt returns comes into play setting up a short field for the offense.

I did not consider number 3 which I agree is another strength. Maybe it doesn't matter all that much as long as the offense doesn't turn it over in their own end like they've done twice now in the last 3 games. 🫤
 

Jonesy5960

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So what happens if we kick off and they march right down the field and score? We are not a good come from behind team.
I think it speaks to relative strengths. Which unit is more likely to come out ahead on any given drive, or have disaster strike? The offense or defense? It seems to me like MG needs time to settle in.
 
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Still if you go 3 and out you're taking a few minutes off the clock. As to where they march right down and score and take 6 minutes off the clock that's most of the 1st quarter that we won't have much time to score so we're down 7 after the 1st quarter.
And suppose Iowa gets the ball to start the second half and marches down the field and scores using 6 minutes off the clock? That leaves the opponent less time to score.
And suppose Iowa scores at the end of the first half, giving them 2 scores without the opponent touching the ball? Could be a huge momentum swing.

BTW….6 minutes is not “most” of a quarter.
 
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Hoping for no special teams snafus in this one. Seems #21 is due again for a long one.
 

herkhatescy2

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And suppose Iowa gets the ball to start the second half and marches down the field and scores using 6 minutes off the clock? That leaves the opponent less time to score.
And suppose Iowa scores at the end of the first half, giving them 2 scores without the opponent touching the ball? Could be a huge momentum swing.

BTW….6 minutes is not “most” of a quarter.
How many times has Iowa went down and scored on an opening drive? **** you're dumb.
 
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HMB Trumpet

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Rutgers says hi!

But against Indiana, PSU, Oregon, and USC, defer to the second half. And if you have to, kick off both times to possibly improve field position. Against PSU you had to kick off to them to start the game with a freshman qb at Kinnick, at night.
I remember when Hayden would sometimes choose direction when winning the toss and kick off both halves. Reggie Roby kicks a touchback, which put the ball at the 20 then, and the strong defense would often give the weaker offense good field position. People thought he was nuts at the time, but it worked pretty well.
 
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Arguments both ways, obviously, but the reasons I like Iowa starting with the ball:

1) Good punter. If opening drive goes nowhere, we can typically still pin them back inside their 25.

2) Being in control of direction in 2nd half, particularly 4th quarter (wind, end zone with stadium enclosed and/or student section, etc).

3) Phil Parker halftime adjustments. Iowa is a great 2nd half defensive team. Don’t know numbers but my guess is that Iowa does considerably better against 2nd half opening drives compared to game opening drives.
This makes sense. As long as you've got #1, unless someone makes a mistake you likely won't give the other team better field position than if you had kicked off, even if you go 3-and-out. Touchbacks now getting spotted at the 25 matters, too.
 
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Tom Paris

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IMO you almost ALWAYS defer. Especially Iowa. Defense is your strength…put them out there first.
Plus you get the wind in the 4th quarter. Kirk must think he’s smarter than every other coach in the country. I think it’s ego at this point.
 

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Not yesterday. 😉
So I was surprised by the amount of cushion Minny d backs were giving our receivers on that opening drive. Every one of those were just easy pitch and catch 7-10 yard gains. Which begs the question I think most have wondered forever why has this been so hard for us?
 

Tom Paris

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I really hadn't considered wind. I've been shaking my head because we start slow. I don't like the other team getting the ball to start the second half but theoretically putting the D out there is our best unit so that should be the same as deferring in the first half.
Right but then the other team gets the wind in the 4th quarter.
 

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Worked pretty good today.
we scored but not sure it was the best plan. we ended up putting more of our better plays on film while grinding it out length of the field. would've been better off if we had deferred, 3 and outed minnesota, got the ball back at minnesota 35 via their poor punter plus wetjen, and scored with 3 handoffs to moulton.


:)
 

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You are 1,000% correct. KF tried to explain why he's started taking the ball in his Tuesday press conference, but it was the usual gibberish that made no sense at all. Unless you have a dynamic offense, or the weather conditions are a factor, ALWAYS DEFER. In Iowa's case, deferring puts your best unit on the field first, the defense. It gives you a good chance to gain the field position advantage from the get-go. The defense can make better use of the adrenaline rush at the beginning of the game than can the offense. And, of course, you are assured of getting the ball first to start the second half, immediately after you've made halftime adjustments.

There is NO sane, rational argument for Iowa to win the toss and take the ball. None. Zero. Zilch. Taking the ball is as stupid, as ignorant as trying a 66-yard FG with 2 seconds left in the half. Of course, once KF has a few years of experience under his belt, maybe he'll figure it out.
Lolol.. Your doing that same thing posters do here. AFTER seeing the result of the play, THEN you get to critique if it was a good call. The ONLY time you'd call that field goal from 66yds is when you have a kicker who can make that, (and we do) and in the last couple of seconds of a half. Out of 100 different outcomes we got the ONLY one where they block it, the ball actually goes backwards, (which it almost never does), it goes right to a defender on one bounce, (which it almost never does) he fields it cleanly and scores. It would have made no difference if it was from 58yds, or 66 given the same crazy things that had to happen, and all happened on one play. Remember also when a coach calls a play he expects the execution to be solid. If the guy doesn't break right up the middle he never gets a hand on that ball.
 

Tom Paris

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Lolol.. Your doing that same thing posters do here. AFTER seeing the result of the play, THEN you get to critique if it was a good call. The ONLY time you'd call that field goal from 66yds is when you have a kicker who can make that, (and we do) and in the last couple of seconds of a half. Out of 100 different outcomes we got the ONLY one where they block it, the ball actually goes backwards, (which it almost never does), it goes right to a defender on one bounce, (which it almost never does) he fields it cleanly and scores. It would have made no difference if it was from 58yds, or 66 given the same crazy things that had to happen, and all happened on one play. Remember also when a coach calls a play he expects the execution to be solid. If the guy doesn't break right up the middle he never gets a hand on that ball.
I wasn’t critical of the FG attempt at all.