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Knight Shift

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I wonder how many of the Rutgers fans (and trolls here) that seek Schiano to be replaced recognize this. I do suppose it is easier to replace a 6-7 win coach than a 9-10 win coach but we have seen some losing coaches here. I think the inherent risk might be worse here.
Please tell me you are not comparing a coach with a lifetime record below .500 with a coach with a record at Penn State of
104–4564–36
so because there is a risk that we'll remain irrelevant, a laughing stock, a lower end BIG team that doesn't live up to his' potential then we shouldn't attempt to change that?
Ding, ding, ding, winner, winner, chicken dinner. Being a Rutgers football ban is like the lyric in Outshined by Soundgarden:

I can't get any lower
Still I feel I'm sinking
 
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so because there is a risk that we'll remain irrelevant, a laughing stock, a lower end BIG team that doesn't live up to his' potential then we shouldn't attempt to change that?
why assume that? two can play that game..

So fire Schiano and scare off any good coaches who don't want to get tossed aside like Schiano? Return to the days of Flood and Ash and Shea? That's what you want?

See? It's easy to do.
 
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he is and it's nuts

I'd take Franklin in a heartbeat. He's a grade A douche but he wins
That grade A douche grew on me over time. Either he got less douchey, or the douche became an acquired taste.
If there was an opening, I would give him serious consideration.
 
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Please tell me you are not comparing a coach with a lifetime record below .500 with a coach with a record at Penn State of
104–4564–36

Ding, ding, ding, winner, winner, chicken dinner. Being a Rutgers football ban is like the lyric in Outshined by Soundgarden:

I can't get any lower
Still I feel I'm sinking
DIsingenuous. I said it is easier to replace a 6-7 win coach, right? Oh.. but you wanted to argue against someone who compared Schiano's lifetime record compared to Franklins'... okay... lets do that...,

Penn State’s record from 2003-2013 (pre-Franklin) was 85-51, a .625 winning percentage. James Franklin’s record at Penn State (2014-2025) was 104-45, a .698 winning percentage.. improved winning percentage by .073

GS1.0:
Rutgers pre-Schiano (1990-2000): 40-80-1, .333 winning percentage. Schiano at Rutgers (2001-2011): 68-68, .500 winning percentage. Schiano improved winning percentage by .167.

GS2.0:
Rutgers pre-Schiano (2014-2019): 21-52, .288 winning percentage. Schiano at Rutgers (2020-2025): 29-37, .439 winning percentage. Schiano improved winning percentage by .151.

So.. there you have your direct comparison. Schiano is twice as valuable to Rutgers as Franklin was to PSU.

It is harder to argue when you do not construct your opponent's argument, isn't it?
 

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DIsingenuous. I said it is easier to replace a 6-7 win coach, right? Oh.. but you wanted to argue against someone who compared Schiano's lifetime record compared to Franklins'... okay... lets do that...,

Penn State’s record from 2003-2013 (pre-Franklin) was 85-51, a .625 winning percentage. James Franklin’s record at Penn State (2014-2025) was 104-45, a .698 winning percentage.. improved winning percentage by .073

GS1.0:
Rutgers pre-Schiano (1990-2000): 40-80-1, .333 winning percentage. Schiano at Rutgers (2001-2011): 68-68, .500 winning percentage. Schiano improved winning percentage by .167.

GS2.0:
Rutgers pre-Schiano (2014-2019): 21-52, .288 winning percentage. Schiano at Rutgers (2020-2025): 29-37, .439 winning percentage. Schiano improved winning percentage by .151.

So.. there you have your direct comparison. Schiano is twice as valuable to Rutgers as Franklin was to PSU.

It is harder to argue when you do not construct your opponent's argument, isn't it?
That's comparing rotten apples to fresh oranges. It is much harder to maintain a winning record in the B1G at that level. If you could give me a coach guaranteed a .698 winning percentage, I would mortgage my house and give the money to Keli Zinn.
 
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That's comparing rotten apples to fresh oranges. It is much harder to maintain a winning record in the B1G at that level. If you could give me a coach guaranteed a .698 winning percentage, I would mortgage my house and give the money to Keli Zinn.
But to believe that you would have to believe that if Rutgers had Franklin and PSU had Schiano that the records would reverse. That is obviously not true, right? You compared apples to oranges when you were comparing wins/losses, right? because PSU wins more all teh time regardless of coach... since Paterno made them winners and the Cult support established itself as formidable. These are completely different programs.

All I said was that there is risk even at our level. Surely, the added winning that Schiano has created, without anything like PSU's support infrastructure, would be at risk in a change. Is it good enough? NO. But everything is in flux in college football. I couldn't even tell you what you want in a head coach with all this turmoil. Go convince Cignetti to come and I'd agree.. bit there are few, if any, no-brainers.. but do a deep-dive searching for skeletons.. because you know NJ.com would... well, whatever passes for a deep-dive for them.
 

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Good article, paywalled, but some snippets that translate to other teams, namely, Rutgers:

A former Penn State assistant coach said the consistency in approach that helped make Franklin’s teams successful overall might have been keeping the Nittany Lions from leveling up to the elite programs.

A former staffer at Penn State said Franklin got too caught up in hiring hot-commodity coordinators.

Kotelnicki helped Lance Leipold turn around a moribund Kansas program with a creative offense, built around a mobile quarterback. Whether that offense was best suited to get the most out of Allar is debatable.

some donors and others affiliated with the school — never took to Franklin, even after a 2016 Big Ten championship
“Any success James had was seen as a slight to the Paterno legacy,” a former Penn State administrator said of a portion of Franklin’s detractors.

 

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some donors and others affiliated with the school — never took to Franklin, even after a 2016 Big Ten championship

Sounds very much like what happened to RichRod when he went to Michigan. I remember my brother telling me that people were working actively against him behind the scenes from the moment he got there.
 
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I thought CC took all his players with him to IU? Which is it lol. Don't assume there were a ton of CC players left and certainly not the best ones according to everyone here, which I agree with. Quick lookup and I found article from Aug last year that said Chesney had 58 new players at JMU going into the year. As I've said, roster turnover is pretty much a given in the new landscape. On the low end it could be teens to 20 on the high end 50-70.

Was just taking a look at Charles Huff the other day at Southern Miss. He won the Sun Belt at Marshall last year but they didn't extend him and let him go. Southern Miss was 1-11 last year and this year, nice start at 4-2 2-0 in the Sun Belt so far. He brought 21 players with him from Marshall to Southern Miss. As I've said a bunch, players often follow their coaches to new destinations. NIL plays a role and is important but there are other factors too and each individual is different. It's a combination of things.

Huff is mentioned a little for P4 openings but not too much, if he can do it again at Southern Miss he'll probably get closer looks.

From an article I was reading about him:

Fit and relationships are still paramount and particularly so at the Group of Five level for athletes. That’s the case for USM, which has hauled in multiple transfers that are not only instant-starters, but high-level college football players.

The top two additions so far have been former Marshall quarterback Braylon Braxton and Thundering Herd cornerback Josh Moten. Both were sought-after players, but chose USM for fit more than money, by choosing to follow their coach.

“We were up against a lot, but what was nice about it is (NIL) isn’t what was driving the decision for these kids,” Boehme said. “It was more about who they were playing for, what they just did and wanting to get to most out of their time on the field. We’re not in a position to be buying guys that don’t want to be here for the right reasons.”

Took the best but what he left over was good too to win at g5 level. He may be the best at using NIL nationally. Most of the other beneficiaries are the bluest of the blue chips like tOSU.
 

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Please tell me you are not comparing a coach with a lifetime record below .500 with a coach with a record at Penn State of
104–4564–36

Ding, ding, ding, winner, winner, chicken dinner. Being a Rutgers football ban is like the lyric in Outshined by Soundgarden:

I can't get any lower
Still I feel I'm sinking

Franklin walked into a 10x better situation than GS did either time. GS inherited the worst p5/BCS program twice. Not really an apt comparison.

Bottom line is kind of simple. The last time we had a coach not named GS who wasn't terrible the USSR was still a country and the internet didn't exist. It's not exactly great odds to find someone else. That's not saying it couldn't happen but we really need to consider whether there are other ways to move us up as a program (eg, better NIL, a new DC) than firing GS and bringing in a MAC coach.

Re: Franklin specifically, I am sure VT or a similar program (with more $$ than us) will hire him. If there was another coach with B1G success out there it'd make sense. Only one I know of is Fitzgerald and he's being avoided for obvious reasons. Chryst may be another but he seems retired.
 

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Sounds very much like what happened to RichRod when he went to Michigan. I remember my brother telling me that people were working actively against him behind the scenes from the moment he got there.
This is why we don't want to win a B1G championship. It will just breed higher expectations and greater discontent. :D
 

Knight Shift

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Franklin walked into a 10x better situation than GS did either time. GS inherited the worst p5/BCS program twice. Not really an apt comparison.

Bottom line is kind of simple. The last time we had a coach not named GS who wasn't terrible the USSR was still a country and the internet didn't exist. It's not exactly great odds to find someone else. That's not saying it couldn't happen but we really need to consider whether there are other ways to move us up as a program (eg, better NIL, a new DC) than firing GS and bringing in a MAC coach.

Re: Franklin specifically, I am sure VT or a similar program (with more $$ than us) will hire him. If there was another coach with B1G success out there it'd make sense. Only one I know of is Fitzgerald and he's being avoided for obvious reasons. Chryst may be another but he seems retired.
Wut? When Franklin got to Vanderbilt, this is what he had:
4-20/1-15.
How is that 10X than 3-21/0-18???? You were not a math major.

And here we go again with the nobody does it better crap. Give me a break. That's the kind of thinking that breeds satisfaction with perpetual mediocrity.

Agree with you that better NIL and new DC---but that later one is 100% on the current HC who could not seem to find anyone to take the job and had to bring back a 3X retread.

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And he has been dealing with the worse NIL situation in the P4. Think about that for a moment. Pat Hobbs, the deadbeat, lazy, philandering shíthead that keeps on giving.
Thanks for your brilliant contribution Mrs. Schiano.
 

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DIsingenuous. I said it is easier to replace a 6-7 win coach, right? Oh.. but you wanted to argue against someone who compared Schiano's lifetime record compared to Franklins'... okay... lets do that...,

Penn State’s record from 2003-2013 (pre-Franklin) was 85-51, a .625 winning percentage. James Franklin’s record at Penn State (2014-2025) was 104-45, a .698 winning percentage.. improved winning percentage by .073

GS1.0:
Rutgers pre-Schiano (1990-2000): 40-80-1, .333 winning percentage. Schiano at Rutgers (2001-2011): 68-68, .500 winning percentage. Schiano improved winning percentage by .167.

GS2.0:
Rutgers pre-Schiano (2014-2019): 21-52, .288 winning percentage. Schiano at Rutgers (2020-2025): 29-37, .439 winning percentage. Schiano improved winning percentage by .151.

So.. there you have your direct comparison. Schiano is twice as valuable to Rutgers as Franklin was to PSU.

It is harder to argue when you do not construct your opponent's argument, isn't it?
He might be more valuable but a coach job is to win, you know how many great people have been fired. But here is a question if GS and JF were both on the open market, who would get hired first at a major school.
 

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He might be more valuable but a coach job is to win, you know how many great people have been fired. But here is a question if GS and JF were both on the open market, who would get hired first at a major school.
You made a good point.
I feel when Greg came back to Rutgers no other P-4 program was interested in him as their HC, as far as I'm concerned and maybe G-5s as well.
Schiano wasn't going to come to Rutgers unless Hobbs agreed to support the program better.
Hobbs didn't want to, couldn't find a taker with the type of support he was willing to give, so it was back to Schiano
with both knowing no one else wanted them and they reached a compromise both could live with.

I know many would claim there were better candidates, I say just look at how Hobbs acted like he wanted someone else and tell me why they didn't come.
Hobbs wound up hiring Greg only because Rutgers fans pressured him to when he couldn't find someone he wanted to take the job
I'm sure there were some willing, but not with what Hobbs was offering .
So everyone can B-M-C about Greg's lack of accomplishments, but for RU he's as good as it gets, for now.

Let's see if Tate and Zinn can do something and turn RU into a success story Indians seems to have become .
That means raising enough money to buyout Schiano , make the program support structure way better and become the type of program rising talent will look at and feel they can succeed instead of being wary to run for fear of failure.
It might just take until Greg has one uear left on his contract that they know RU is ready to go all out and because
the support is there to fund a rise like the Hoosiers are having now with a HC that took a chance on them rather then look another way because he didn't see a program willing to do everything it takes to win

Greg is a product of just doing part of what it takes and hoping the rest miraculously happens
 

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Wut? When Franklin got to Vanderbilt, this is what he had:
4-20/1-15.
How is that 10X than 3-21/0-18???? You were not a math major.

And here we go again with the nobody does it better crap. Give me a break. That's the kind of thinking that breeds satisfaction with perpetual mediocrity.

Agree with you that better NIL and new DC---but that later one is 100% on the current HC who could not seem to find anyone to take the job and had to bring back a 3X retread.

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2010Vanderbilt2–101–76th (Eastern)

Aren't we talking about his record at Cult? Who said Vandy?

Also I didn't say "nobody does it better" I said we can look at the results HERE and see that in fact no one HERE has done it better.

NIL is also on the fans and admin to some extent. Cignetti isn't raising the money on his own.
 

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Stand up move by Franklin.

He will get hired quickly. Probably by Wisconsin when Fickel gets canned.
 

MADHAT1

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well we can Rhule out the Nebraska HC from replacing the fired Franklin , the Minny rowboat sunk his chances
making Matt just platter song
 

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Stand up move by Franklin.

He will get hired quickly. Probably by Wisconsin when Fickel gets canned.

People say UNC would be a great spot for him but I feel like UCLA fits him and his personality. He could even keep Jerry N on board if he keeps doing what he has been. Lower expectations too so not the pressure cooker of PSU.

UF is the other place that gets mentioned as well. They’re very talented according to coaches that have spoken after playing them, it’s just not showing up in the win column. But that’s as much of a pressure cooker as PSU if not more so.

Seeing this then I’d think UF would be the better spot for him.

 
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Franklin will do WELL wherever he lands. I wish he were RUs coach. If we had won 7, 10, 11 and 13 games with CFP semis appearance there would have been week long parades in his honor!
 
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Franklin will do WELL wherever he lands. I wish he were RUs coach. If we had won 7, 10, 11 and 13 games with CFP semis appearance there would have been week long parades in his honor!
Don't know why, just have a feeling VT will go all out to get him and succeed.
 

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Franklin will do WELL wherever he lands. I wish he were RUs coach. If we had won 7, 10, 11 and 13 games with CFP semis appearance there would have been week long parades in his honor!

And if RU had PSU's tradition, money, recruits and alumni support they would have.