OT: Franklin Canned!!!

[Knight Shift]

Since Petersen and Boise State was brought up, 2 coaches came from there with stellar records and failed miserably at P5:

Dan Hawkins:

1996	Willamette	9–2	5–0	1st	L NAIA Division II Quarterfinal
1997	Willamette	13–1	5–0	1st	L NAIA Division Championship
Willamette:	40–11–1	21–3–1
Boise State Broncos (Western Athletic Conference) (2001–2005)
2001	Boise State	8–4	6–2	2nd
2002	Boise State	12–1	8–0	1st	W Humanitarian	12	15
2003	Boise State	13–1	8–0	1st	W Fort Worth	15	16
2004	Boise State	11–1	8–0	1st	L Liberty	13	12
2005	Boise State	9–4	7–1	T–1st	L MPC Computers
Boise State:	53–11	37–3
Colorado Buffaloes (Big 12 Conference) (2006–2010)
2006	Colorado	2–10	2–6	5th (North)
2007	Colorado	6–7	4–4	3rd (North)	L Independence
2008	Colorado	5–7	2–6	T–4th (North)
2009	Colorado	3–9	2–6	5th (North)
2010	Colorado	3–6[n 1]	0–5[n 1]	5th (North)
Colorado:	19–39	10–27

Bryan Harsin

2014	Boise State	12–2	7–1	1st (Mountain)	W Fiesta†	16	16
2015	Boise State	9–4	5–3	T–2nd (Mountain)	W Poinsettia
2016	Boise State	10–3	6–2	T–1st (Mountain)	L Cactus
2017	Boise State	11–3	7–1	1st (Mountain)	W Las Vegas	22	22
2018	Boise State	10–3	7–1	T–1st (Mountain)	First Responder[a]	23	24
2019	Boise State	12–2	8–0	1st (Mountain)	L Las Vegas	22	23
2020	Boise State	5–2	5–0	2nd
Boise State:	69–19	45–8
Auburn Tigers (Southeastern Conference) (2021–2022)
2021	Auburn	6–7	3–5	T–6th (Western)	L Birmingham
2022	Auburn	3-5 9-12	1-4 4-9

 

[MADHAT1]

Dan Mullen at UNLV

Unless he's decided to go all out recruiting against the top programs, he's a perfect G-5 Program fit as it stands now.
He's a very good HC coaching the talent he brings in, but he left Florida ( even though a pretty good winning record) because they felt Dan wasn't too happy with doing everything to compete for the talent needed to be a top 10 program and most of the top talent was coming to the Gators because of it's reputation and not Mullan's recruiting effort .
But he might be better than Greg as a game day coach , but not as a recruiter for a program that is not considered a must go to place to be on the winning side .
His time at Miss State makes me feel he'd do the same or a little better than Schiano, but not the best canidate RU should go for if Greg leaves the picture at the end of this season
When Schiano does finally go, new names will pop up and Dan might not have his on the best get list.
Or he'd have taken a P-4 position that's better for him than RU .
As for me, if the rumor is he's getting into recruiting harder than when he was at Florida, Greg could go and bring Dan in. I liked what he accomplished at Miss St a program no one wanted to go to .

 

[DHajekRC1984]

I get the apathy, still good to see us potentially benefiting on the recruiting trail, so worth posting imo

No man.. I'm not saying not worthy of a post.. it's good info and thanks for sharing.

 

[rutgersguy2]

Heard on some pods and a tv segment that PSU is going to swing for the fences, whether they connect is another story. I guess it depends on if the targets are happy where they are or would they be open to moving like Riley and Kelly. I don’t think money would be an issue staying or going, just a matter of preference of the coach and his family.

Freeman, Elko and DeBoer were some of the names thrown out.

Like mentioned earlier in the thread one of the biggest missing ingredients for PSU during JF’s tenure is high level qb play. Out of the 3, DeBoer is the one who had the track record of doing that consistently. Haener Penix and now Simpson…he made some great throws and decisions in a tight game against Mizzou. PSU would have to pay 4M to buy him out.

I don’t know if Freeman has really hit on qbs but CJ Carr looks very good this year. I don’t think Sam Hartman looked as good at ND as he did at WF and Riley Leonard was solid but still not the high level passer.

 

[DHajekRC1984]

He's a RB, not a WR. And while the chances are slim, I wouldn't rule it out given RU's history with RBs at the next level. If it's not a rules violation a call from Pacheco might help.

Player to be named later in the Barkley decommit?

 

[MADHAT1]

Heard on some pods and a tv segment that PSU is going to swing for the fences, whether they connect is another story. I guess it depends on if the targets are happy where they are or would they be open to moving like Riley and Kelly. I don’t think money would be an issue staying or going, just a matter of preference of the coach and his family.

Freeman, Elko and DeBoer were some of the names thrown out.

Like mentioned earlier in the thread one of the biggest missing ingredients for PSU during JF’s tenure is high level qb play. Out of the 3, DeBoer is the one who had the track record of doing that consistently. Haener Penix and now Simpson…he made some great throws and decisions in a tight game against Mizzou.

I don’t know if Freeman has really hit on qbs but CJ Carr looks very good this year. I don’t think Sam Hartman looked as good at ND as he did at WF and Riley Leonard was solid but still not the high level passer.

On person not being mentioned that I feel might be on the extended list if the short list has no takers >
"Eli" Drinkwitz is doing a bang up job at Missouri in a conference where it has to face tough competition

 

[kupuna133]

Heard on some pods and a tv segment that PSU is going to swing for the fences, whether they connect is another story. I guess it depends on if the targets are happy where they are or would they be open to moving like Riley and Kelly. I don’t think money would be an issue staying or going, just a matter of preference of the coach and his family.

Freeman, Elko and DeBoer were some of the names thrown out.

Like mentioned earlier in the thread one of the biggest missing ingredients for PSU during JF’s tenure is high level qb play. Out of the 3, DeBoer is the one who had the track record of doing that consistently. Haener Penix and now Simpson…he made some great throws and decisions in a tight game against Mizzou. PSU would have to pay 4M to buy him out.

I don’t know if Freeman has really hit on qbs but CJ Carr looks very good this year. I don’t think Sam Hartman looked as good at ND as he did at WF and Riley Leonard was solid but still not the high level passer.

My favorite tweet so far.
Explain this to me like I’m five… Penn State wants to replace James Franklin with younger James Franklin whose signature win with Notre Dame is against… James Franklin.

 

[rutgersguy2]

On person not being mentioned that I feel might be on the extended list if the short list has no takers >
"Eli" Drinkwitz is doing a bang up job at Missouri in a conference where it has to face tough competition

He’s been mentioned but I’d put him on the same level as the rest. Not sure he’s as big an option for them. If they’re going to go after Drinkwitz they’d probably go to Campbell first.

He’s done well there. He’s made Mizzou a formidable team. He started out ho hum picking up where Odom left off but has really taken off these last couple years. Even in one of the ho hum years, they went toe to toe with that awesome UGA team and monster defense from 4 years ago.

 

[rutgersguy2]

My favorite tweet so far.
Explain this to me like I’m five… Penn State wants to replace James Franklin with younger James Franklin whose signature win with Notre Dame is against… James Franklin.

That’s what I was thinking lol. He loses some WTF games and they play tough defense and run the ball. This year though I think they got a very good qb in CJ Carr. The rest I’d agree.

DeBoer is the one I’d swing for if you’re going to swing. He’s demonstrated success multiple times at the key position you’ve been missing all these years. Make sure he’s got a good DC which they will considering what they paid for Knowles and see where it goes. I suppose it depends on how he likes it at Alabama and same for the rest of them. Money won’t be the problem either way, just a matter of what they prefer.

I tend to think they won’t get any of them but Riley and Kelly show that old thinking goes out the window. What you thought was immovable might not be.

 

[Knight Shift]

That’s what I was thinking lol. He loses some WTF games and they play tough defense and run the ball. This year though I think they got a very good qb in CJ Carr. The rest I’d agree.

DeBoer is the one I’d swing for if you’re going to swing. He’s demonstrated success multiple times at the key position you’ve been missing all these years. Make sure he’s got a good DC which they will considering what they paid for Knowles and see where it goes. I suppose it depends on how he likes it at Alabama and same for the rest of them. Money won’t be the problem either way, just a matter of what they prefer.

I tend to think they won’t get any of them but Riley and Kelly show that old thinking goes out the window. What you thought was immovable might not be.

The head scratcher candidate is Matt Rhule. No wins against top 25 teams at Baylor or Nebraska. The top thing on his resume is he grew up close to Penn State. Good head coach, but an improvement over Franklin?

 

[rutgersguy2]

The head scratcher candidate is Matt Rhule. No wins against top 25 teams at Baylor or Nebraska. The top thing on his resume is he grew up close to Penn State. Good head coach, but an improvement over Franklin?

He’s close buddies with Pat Kraft and they were together at Temple.

More on Freeman.

He’s good but I don’t get it. Other than this year (CJ Carr) is he bringing the piece of the puzzle Franklin has been missing all these years?

 

[rutgersguy2]

 

[Anon1754923206]

Cowherd as usual clueless… Revenue doesn’t matter what matters is revenue minus expenses… then talk.

 

[Knight Shift]

Vibes?

 

[jsol_05]

1. I don't agree he is a below average HC- he is a great program builder and identifier and developer of talent. Great.

2. I don't think he is a great game day coach- he is very average to below average.

3. I don't care how much he has made; coaches make a lot of money, regardless of whether they are bad or good. I have advocated that coaches should get a "base salary" of around $3-4M with additional money for wins beyond 6 wins. That may never happen, but that is not Greg's fault. It's part of the lunacy of college football contracts.

4. Jason Candle- he was on my list at the end of 2019. But ask yourself this- if he is such a hot commodity, why has he been stuck at Toledo for 10-11 years, and nobody has offered him a job at a P5 school?

5. Bob Cheney- perhaps a good candidate, but would like to see a longer resume at JMU.

6. Reality is Greg is not going anywhere this season or next season, unless the team really regresses badly or there is a scandal due to the buyout. That's the reality. To me, there is no sense in continually sacking the guy and reiterating the same points over and over. No, this is not happiness or complacency with the job he is doing- it is accepting the reality of the situation.

Your reality is true, GS isn't going anywhere. But I have another question if GS isn't a below average coach why were we his only option to become a college HC again. Do t know why JC been at Toledo for so long I am not complaining, I am a Toledo grad. BC has won everywhere he has been and has 15 years of HC experience, when GS was hired he has zero HC experience and only 2 years as a DC. Time will tell with both but I think if we don't get one will watch them go elsewhere and win.

 

[rutgersguy2]

Vibes?

It’s kind of basically what I said. Sometimes it’s just time. It’s risky and a high chance the next guy won’t do as well as Franklin. But if the “vibes/feeling” is JF is never going to get to the mountaintop then “change of scenery” might be needed to inject new life and hope that they “might” get to the mountain top with someone else. Of course the new hope can vanish quickly if the next guy sucks lol.

He gave the example of Crean and IU. We also know about Nebraska. But then you have the Eagles and Reid which worked out for both sides and Richt and UGA which took them to new heights. Time will tell and we’ll see if the gamble pays off or not.

 

[Knight Shift]

Your reality is true, GS isn't going anywhere. But I have another question if GS isn't a below average coach why were we his only option to become a college HC again. Do t know why JC been at Toledo for so long I am not complaining, I am a Toledo grad. BC has won everywhere he has been and has 15 years of HC experience, when GS was hired he has zero HC experience and only 2 years as a DC. Time will tell with both but I think if we don't get one will watch them go elsewhere and win.

Were you watching what went on in 2019? Remember when Pat Hobbs said he wanted to look at other coaches, and the huge outcry he faced? I remember a podcast run by another site referring to Hobbs as a "slithering snake." The bottom line, the fanbase and major donors were suffering from abused fan syndrome after the last 2 years of Flood and 3.5 years of Ash. It was kind of sad that the fanbase and donors decided that there was only one guy for the job. But we were his only option because the bill as a guy who rebuilt a broken program once, and fans and donors were confident he would do it again. And he did. We have a very nice ranch house. But will he every reach the next level- a second story or third story? Has not shown it yet.

I followed Jason Candle for a while. On the old site, I posted some articles on him. I was very high on him. His name apparently came up for the Syracuse job that went to Fran Brown (he may have even interviewed) and also for Michigan State. I know that Mt. Union is a cradle of coaches. I have no major objections to him, but it seems if he was a hot commodity, he would not still be at Toledo 6 years after I did all that research in 2019. He has a fairly solid record and two 1st place finishes in the MAC.

I'm not adverse to Bob Cheney- he is one to keep an eye on.

Here we sit, hoping for more wins and better outcomes, or we sit for 2 more years hoping for a change. . . . .

 

[jsol_05]

I don't know them, what are their records, history, ties to the NE? Are we going to competing for them versus schools with more more $$$?

BC, 15 years HC exp 125-51 HC record. PA native, JMU is currently 5-1, think if he puts up 9 or 10 wins he is gone. JC has been at Toledo since 2016 76-43 record. He interviewed for the Michigan State job, his name alway comes up but he hasn't been able to capitalize on his success. Toledo is currently 3-3, the Rockets will probably have to win 5 of their remaining 6 games for him to get a look this season. In 9 years he has never had a losing season , he has two 11 win seasons, two 9 win seasons. His worse year was 2019 when the team went 6-6.

 

[jsol_05]

Fair point to you too, but Curt Cignetti is a unicorn. Can someone name a coach that had outstanding success at a lower level and that translated to success at the P4/5?

Luke Fickell? Major bomb.

Hero of the Schiano haters- Lance Leipold

Wisconsin–Whitewater:

109–6

53–3

Buffalo:

37–33

25–20

Year 5 at Kansas:

Kansas:

26–31

15–25

Greg is 29-37//13-35 --really not a huge difference between Leipold and Greg, and Greg was in the B1G East for first several years, a much harder conference than the Big 12.

Speaking of Lance, he got slapped with a fine today:

Chris Klieman, Kansas State, K Deboer, Alabama, K. Ferentz previous HC job before Iowa was Maine,

 

[jsol_05]

Chris Peterson? Boise State ---> Washington - Why is he out of coaching...anyone?

I don't necessarily think Schiano needs to go, though while frustrated during games, I've wondered...

Who need the stress, nowadays with these guys making millions they should all be looking to get out by 60. Take your $$$$ and enjoy the rest of your life. Who need boneheads like me questioning your every decision

 

[Knight Shift]

Chris Klieman, Kansas State, K Deboer, Alabama, K. Ferentz previous HC job before Iowa was Maine,

Kieman- B- (not at top level)- better than Greg for sure, and many others.
DeBoer- Absolutely- but out of RU's league- another unicorn
Ferentz- IDK- B? He's more up and down, and he sucked at Maine> he's had some good runs, such as 2002-2004, followed by periods of meh that would get many coaches on hot seat or fired?

1990	Maine	3–8	2–6	T–7th
1991	Maine	3–8	2–6	T–7th
1992	Maine	6–5	4–4	T–5th
Maine:	12–21	8–16
Iowa Hawkeyes (Big Ten Conference) (1999–present)
1999	Iowa	1–10	0–8	11th
2000	Iowa	3–9	3–5	8th
2001	Iowa	7–5	4–4	T–4th	W Alamo
2002	Iowa	11–2	8–0	T–1st	L Orange†	8	8
2003	Iowa	10–3	5–3	T–4th	W Outback	8	8
2004	Iowa	10–2	7–1	T–1st	W Capital One	8	8
2005	Iowa	7–5	5–3	T–3rd	L Outback
2006	Iowa	6–7	2–6	T–8th	L Alamo
2007	Iowa	6–6	4–4	T–5th
2008	Iowa	9–4	5–3	T–4th	W Outback	20	20
2009	Iowa	11–2	6–2	T–2nd	W Orange†	7	7
2010	Iowa	8–5	4–4	T–4th	W Insight
2011	Iowa	7–6	4–4	4th (Legends)	L Insight
2012	Iowa	4–8	2–6	T–5th (Legends)

 

[RU Cheese]

Vibes?

McQuarrie was getting bad vibes a while back too

 

[DJ Spanky]

Vibes?

 

[yesrutgers01]

Were you watching what went on in 2019? Remember when Pat Hobbs said he wanted to look at other coaches, and the huge outcry he faced? I remember a podcast run by another site referring to Hobbs as a "slithering snake." The bottom line, the fanbase and major donors were suffering from abused fan syndrome after the last 2 years of Flood and 3.5 years of Ash. It was kind of sad that the fanbase and donors decided that there was only one guy for the job. But we were his only option because the bill as a guy who rebuilt a broken program once, and fans and donors were confident he would do it again. And he did. We have a very nice ranch house. But will he every reach the next level- a second story or third story? Has not shown it yet.

I followed Jason Candle for a while. On the old site, I posted some articles on him. I was very high on him. His name apparently came up for the Syracuse job that went to Fran Brown (he may have even interviewed) and also for Michigan State. I know that Mt. Union is a cradle of coaches. I have no major objections to him, but it seems if he was a hot commodity, he would not still be at Toledo 6 years after I did all that research in 2019. He has a fairly solid record and two 1st place finishes in the MAC.

I'm not adverse to Bob Cheney- he is one to keep an eye on.

Here we sit, hoping for more wins and better outcomes, or we sit for 2 more years hoping for a change. . . . .

So, my take on the next two years is to be open minded. If our AD and President feel they want to replace GS at the end of this year, I trust them to make the right decision. I really feel that both the AD and President are fully committed to making this a great football program.

With that said- If they want to go all in with Greg...I really hope they have a heart to heart with him and make it clear that he is on notice, but that notice comes with full support. So, they tell Greg- you are making coaching changes- we will fund the salaries needed to make the best possible hires, but he is not allowed to hire any more re-treads. And these coaches better understand they are required to make immediate impacts.
Also- they will commit a very strong NIL funding that allows Greg to go hard after the portal as well as top HS kids.
The 2026 schedule is quite a bit easier than the 2025 schedule. Greg needs to understand that with their full support, his "building the program" is over. A winner has to be on the field in 2026 or the big change will happen.

Just my take...and I reserve the right to change my mind. lol

 

[NotInRHouse]

BC, 15 years HC exp 125-51 HC record. PA native, JMU is currently 5-1, think if he puts up 9 or 10 wins he is gone. JC has been at Toledo since 2016 76-43 record. He interviewed for the Michigan State job, his name alway comes up but he hasn't been able to capitalize on his success. Toledo is currently 3-3, the Rockets will probably have to win 5 of their remaining 6 games for him to get a look this season. In 9 years he has never had a losing season , he has two 11 win seasons, two 9 win seasons. His worse year was 2019 when the team went 6-6.

Do we someone who needs help to win a bowl in the MAC? And why wasn't he the #1 choice at MSU?

Chesney OK but he is only in Year 2 at at JMU with many of Cignetti's players. Wouldn't be the worst hire but not worth firing GS over. Not to mention if VT doesn't get Franklin would imagine he would be their first call.

 

[Knight Shift]

So, my take on the next two years is to be open minded. If our AD and President feel they want to replace GS at the end of this year, I trust them to make the right decision. I really feel that both the AD and President are fully committed to making this a great football program.

With that said- If they want to go all in with Greg...I really hope they have a heart to heart with him and make it clear that he is on notice, but that notice comes with full support. So, they tell Greg- you are making coaching changes- we will fund the salaries needed to make the best possible hires, but he is not allowed to hire any more re-treads. And these coaches better understand they are required to make immediate impacts.
Also- they will commit a very strong NIL funding that allows Greg to go hard after the portal as well as top HS kids.
The 2026 schedule is quite a bit easier than the 2025 schedule. Greg needs to understand that with their full support, his "building the program" is over. A winner has to be on the field in 2026 or the big change will happen.

Just my take...and I reserve the right to change my mind. lol

Solid take.
Not sure how much unfettered discretion Greg (or for that matter the other coaches) have in hiring key coaches, namely coordinators. But for the DC, there was really nobody overseeing the process, and we got robbed.

 

[DJ Spanky]

So, my take on the next two years is to be open minded. If our AD and President feel they want to replace GS at the end of this year, I trust them to make the right decision.

Well James Franklin is now available!

 

[rutgersguy2]

Do we someone who needs help to win a bowl in the MAC? And why wasn't he the #1 choice at MSU?

Chesney OK but he is only in Year 2 at at JMU with many of Cignetti's players. Wouldn't be the worst hire but not worth firing GS over. Not to mention if VT doesn't get Franklin would imagine he would be their first call.

I thought CC took all his players with him to IU? Which is it lol. Don't assume there were a ton of CC players left and certainly not the best ones according to everyone here, which I agree with. Quick lookup and I found article from Aug last year that said Chesney had 58 new players at JMU going into the year. As I've said, roster turnover is pretty much a given in the new landscape. On the low end it could be teens to 20 on the high end 50-70.

Was just taking a look at Charles Huff the other day at Southern Miss. He won the Sun Belt at Marshall last year but they didn't extend him and let him go. Southern Miss was 1-11 last year and this year, nice start at 4-2 2-0 in the Sun Belt so far. He brought 21 players with him from Marshall to Southern Miss. As I've said a bunch, players often follow their coaches to new destinations. NIL plays a role and is important but there are other factors too and each individual is different. It's a combination of things.

Huff is mentioned a little for P4 openings but not too much, if he can do it again at Southern Miss he'll probably get closer looks.

From an article I was reading about him:

Fit and relationships are still paramount and particularly so at the Group of Five level for athletes. That’s the case for USM, which has hauled in multiple transfers that are not only instant-starters, but high-level college football players.

The top two additions so far have been former Marshall quarterback Braylon Braxton and Thundering Herd cornerback Josh Moten. Both were sought-after players, but chose USM for fit more than money, by choosing to follow their coach.

“We were up against a lot, but what was nice about it is (NIL) isn’t what was driving the decision for these kids,” Boehme said. “It was more about who they were playing for, what they just did and wanting to get to most out of their time on the field. We’re not in a position to be buying guys that don’t want to be here for the right reasons.”

 

[Knight Shift]

Ha, ha, just got a newsletter for the Athletic with the Next Curt Cignetti. On the list:

How about Harvard’s Andrew Aurich? He’s in his early 40s, he got his football Ph.D. as a Greg Schiano assistant, he coordinated some dynamite offenses at Princeton in the late-2010s and he’s 12-2 thus far with the Crimson. Harvard ranks fourth in my FCS SP+ rankings after winning its first four games by a combined 145 points.

 

[rutgersguy2]

Ha, ha, just got a newsletter for the Athletic with the Next Curt Cignetti. On the list:

How about Harvard’s Andrew Aurich? He’s in his early 40s, he got his football Ph.D. as a Greg Schiano assistant, he coordinated some dynamite offenses at Princeton in the late-2010s and he’s 12-2 thus far with the Crimson. Harvard ranks fourth in my FCS SP+ rankings after winning its first four games by a combined 145 points.

Weren't people unhappy with him here when he was OL coach and then got reassigned to another position or something.

 

[kupuna133]

Weren't people unhappy with him here when he was OL coach and then got reassigned to another position or something.

Yep was reassigned from OL to RB to TE.

 

[Knight Shift]

Yep was reassigned from OL to RB to TE.

But he was never given a fair shot at Head Coach!!! Let's do it! Who's with me?

 

[RU#1fan]

Ha, ha, just got a newsletter for the Athletic with the Next Curt Cignetti. On the list:

How about Harvard’s Andrew Aurich? He’s in his early 40s, he got his football Ph.D. as a Greg Schiano assistant, he coordinated some dynamite offenses at Princeton in the late-2010s and he’s 12-2 thus far with the Crimson. Harvard ranks fourth in my FCS SP+ rankings after winning its first four games by a combined 145 points.

Hard pass

 

[WillieTheSilent]

Yep was reassigned from OL to RB to TE.

Hmmm... was that a formula to become an OC or HC? Like a son or daughter of a business owner moving them around to train them up on the entire business to take over eventually?

 

[kupuna133]

Hmmm... was that a formula to become an OC or HC? Like a son or daughter of a business owner moving them around to train them up on the entire business to take over eventually?

Don’t even know what that means. You think Greg’s job is to give everyone a “chance” in every role? Or better yet prepare him as a jack of all trades versus a specialist? And you do realize those jobs are all come with a lowering of status and degree of responsibility

 

[rutgersguy2]

In the other thread, it was mentioned how CC tried to keep Mendoza loose after throwing the pick 6. On the other side of that, seems PSU has been playing tight, Allar playing tight worrying about mistakes and just the pressure and scrutiny that comes with all that was put into this team. They were all in this year. Good article on with comments from coaches and scouts.

I don't know about the whole team but, I've read similar about Klubnik at Clemson. With money etc..comes pressure and scrutiny and not everyone can handle it and perform.



This one is paywall but some excerpts.




But there’s an inherent risk in making a change. Whoever replaces him will almost certainly have a less accomplished resume.

They might take the program to new heights. But they might also take it back down into even more maddening valleys.

The history of programs firing good coaches to find great ones is … dubious.

In 2021, I researched this trend and found that from 2011-2021, 20 programs did what Penn State just did.

Only four made a leap. Eight saw their programs get worse. And eight paid big buyouts and big salaries to hire a new coach and staff for almost identical results.

Since 2021, has that changed? Nope.

Nine programs have fired winning coaches in that span. Only one — Sonny Dykes at TCU — made meaningful progress in the program, but followed his national title appearance in Year 1 with a losing season.

Four programs got worse. And four programs have made almost no progress.

Be careful what you wish for, Nittany Lions. It can get worse. And the odds say it will.

 

[WillieTheSilent]

Don’t even know what that means. You think Greg’s job is to give everyone a “chance” in every role? Or better yet prepare him as a jack of all trades versus a specialist? And you do realize those jobs are all come with a lowering of status and degree of responsibility

Well, he is succeeding now, right? Isn't that a given? Maybe Schiano saw something in him and he asked for these moves and Schiano knew he'd do the work needed to succeed. I don't know. But stuff like this happens, right? He is an example of it, apparently.

 

[kupuna133]

Well, he is succeeding now, right? Isn't that a given? Maybe Schiano saw something in him and he asked for these moves and Schiano knew he'd do the work needed to succeed. I don't know. But stuff like this happens, right? He is an example of it, apparently.

He is succeeding. And I’m happy for him. He returned to a level where he had previous success. But you’re over reading with the “he asked”. No one asks to go from the second most important role on the offensive coaching staff (OL). With the greatest responsibility in play design to a position that is usually reserved for the youngest with least experience (TE).

Also yes he is the head coach and has tremendous responsibility. But it was discussed here when he took the job. He took a pay cut to take the Harvard job.

 

[WillieTheSilent]

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But there’s an inherent risk in making a change. Whoever replaces him will almost certainly have a less accomplished resume.

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I wonder how many of the Rutgers fans (and trolls here) that seek Schiano to be replaced recognize this. I do suppose it is easier to replace a 6-7 win coach than a 9-10 win coach but we have seen some losing coaches here. I think the inherent risk might be worse here.

 

[RUTGERS95]

I wonder how many of the Rutgers fans (and trolls here) that seek Schiano to be replaced recognize this. I do suppose it is easier to replace a 6-7 win coach than a 9-10 win coach but we have seen some losing coaches here. I think the inherent risk might be worse here.

so because there is a risk that we'll remain irrelevant, a laughing stock, a lower end BIG team that doesn't live up to his' potential then we shouldn't attempt to change that?