OT: Franklin Canned!!!
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The same people that say JF isn't a good coach will tell you that GS is in the top 10 of college coaches. Say what you want about JF he has won a Big 10 championship and been to the CFP. He has w winning record and if he has accomplished here what he did at State Penn he would be a saint. If he wants a job he will have one T a major school by the end of the season. If GS was to get fired today who would hire him.
Chris, the only thing that post that excites me is the cool R logo with the black shadows. He's not coming here and so what if our coaches can't win with him. We have Raymond, Duff, and Strong already..and so?
What difference does he make? I'd take Franklin in a few years with a chip on his PSU shoulder first!
Here we go again is always " if" when it comes to GS. Yea he was fired by O State, that is what happen when you have all that talent and your defense is ranked 50th nationally Ian's gives up 25 point a game. His defense 52 points to Maryland in 2018,
He was fired at O State, his defense gave up 51 points to Maryland and 49 to Purdue. It was ranked 50th nationally and gave up 26 point a game. The lost to Purdue prevented them from winning the Big Ten conference outright and playing in the CFP. He had the talent there and didn't get it done when it counted
um.. no.
"not on college coaching radars anywhere".. prove that on your maginal all-knowing coaching radar machine historical logs.
"Lost a job to public backlash at Tenn (don’t think that was correct) and had to wait for Urban to come calling at what many perceive to be at a lower status(college DC not head coach or NFL DC)." - tell me that is not changing the timeline again for a purpose you had in mind.
Schiano's contract with Tampa Bay ended.. he took a job with Urban Meyer at OSU.. I'm sure he had noting to learn there from Urban.. that move basically got him teh Tennessee job.. until ******** didn't want a Yankee coach with a name that ended in a vowel. And Urbasn Meyer wanted him back.. that's a real sign of failure.
Football was not operating at a deficit.. NIL brought that on. The athletic department? ALL athletic departments? Yes. Deficits as far as we can tell.
So.. you want to be Northeastern or BU, etc etc etc. Good luck with that.
I get the apathy, still good to see us potentially benefiting on the recruiting trail, so worth posting imo
He's a RB, not a WR. And while the chances are slim, I wouldn't rule it out given RU's history with RBs at the next level. If it's not a rules violation a call from Pacheco might help.
let seee if I get the metaphorical reference here..
Georgia football giving 15 years to Richt and then firing him to reach a new plateau is akin to Rutgers football giving Schiano 5 years (I do not count 2020 as that was abnormal) and maybe firing him to get to a new plateau.
The conditions, assets, resources and reputations are similar, if on different levels. So, why not take a risk?
Is that it?
Did I mention RU at all in my post. Is the title of the thread Franklin canned?
The comparisons were JF/PSU to Reid/Eagles and Richt/UGA. Not once did I mention GS or RU in either post lol.
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checked what you vlaimed about being fired out and it seems like you are a little off base. But Day might not have been sad to see him go. Greg was part of the previous staff and Day might have wanted to bring in people that he felt didn't have the type of stubborn streak Schiano tends to show and Greg might have been disappointed he wasn't chosen and fely it nest to leave
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AI Overview
No, Greg Schiano was not fired from Ohio State; rather, he and the university mutually agreed for him to leave his position as defensive coordinator after the 2018 season to pursue NFL opportunities. Ryan Day, the new head coach, stated that Schiano was leaving to pursue his own options in the professional football world.
- Schiano's contract with Ohio State ended after the 2018 season, and he chose not to renew it.
- Reports from early January 2019 indicated that the split was a mutual decision, with Schiano leaving to pursue a head coaching job in the NFL.
- The split occurred shortly after he was a prominent candidate for the head coaching position at the University of Tennessee, which was ultimately rescinded after public backlash.
- After leaving Ohio State, Schiano briefly took a job with the New England Patriots before ultimately stepping away from coaching for a season.
Um no. Keep grasping. If someone was relevant in a 3 year period they would have been mentioned in many coaching searches and receive an interview or an offer. I don’t have to show anything because he wasn’t hired nor discussed at any point. If he was show your work.
I am the one that said he lost on the Tennessee job didn’t think that was right. So not sure what your point is. Didn’t change any timeline wasn’t chronological.
never said he didn’t have anything to learn. Said it took him 3 years to find a landing spot. Not as a NFL head coach, Major college head coach or an NFL DC. Name another NFL head coach that waited 3 years to find another job 2-3 steps below prior job? And yes he needed to stop at OSU and resurrect his coaching resume before anyone would consider him. So yes I agree with you on that one.
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go ask him. go ask his agent. go ask his family.
how does he go from no interest to OSU and then TN then OSU then New England.
You make zero sense.
Why didn't those 3 years off just bury him, drive him out of coaching completely. I'll tell you why.. because everyone in the business understood it... unlike you.
You're starting with a conclusion, then changing the interpretation of everything to fit your assumption.
He worked his *** off for his adult life to get a dream job as NFL head coach at 45. At 48, being paid millions from his contract, he took time off while surveying his options and being a full-time father.
How is that not obvious to you? How is that not a much more logical conclusion than your, nobody wanted him thing?
No.. you desire to downgrade him because you don't want him here. It does not help your argument against him now to manufacture a history that makes no sense. Instead, it makes any bit of your argument highly suspect.
I’m not changing anything. Was there a 3 year lapse in employment? As a coach with viable options, or anyone for that matter, that is an eternity. OSU a great job on paper. But vastly different from where he came and what his expectations are/were. He needed his resume and persona to be resurrected at OSU with Urbana guidance to be relevant. Greg actually admits this. Don’t know why you don’t.
Starting with a conclusion? That’s rich.
No one is saying he didn’t work his *** off. You’re inferring someone is. Do you think Greg or any coach at 45-48 would opt to sit at home. I get taking 6 months a year. But waiting 3 hiring cycles is not surveying options. That’s there are no options.
Downgrading Greg? I am not downgrading Greg. I am being a realist when it comes to how this whole thing played out. If anyone is rewriting history it is not me. I know Greg. I worked with he and his team on fundraising initiatives. I respect him as a man and a coach. He has his shortcomings. I am not calling for his head. Quite the opposite. I just wish he wasn’t so hard headed. But i also don’t want him to have a lifetime contract without showing marked improvement.
Jason Candle? Seriously? There is a reason he has been at Toledo as HC since 2015. Nobody is calling to hire him.
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I am inferring? well, I infer that you meant implying. Either way, you are wrong. Workling his *** off for 25 years or so is a fact you readily admit to. You do not imply a fact.. you state a fact. A fact which should lead you to realize that being paid millions and having the option to take a sabbatical of sorts to work on his family life away from coaching responsibilities is a reasonable thing to do.
You IMPLIED, repeatedly, that this three year absence.. or "unemployment". as you put it, meant no one wanted him.
Do you actually think he couldn't get interviewed as jobs opened up? The idea that you didn't see his name floated as a candidate for a job only to be turned down later doesn't mean no one was interested. It means Schiano was not interested. If he wanted to be interviewd for an opening, I am sure there would have been takers if only to show they did their due diligence before selecting whomever they chose before interviewing him.
It is mind-numbingly stupid of you to assume otherwise.
Really.. I am done with you. It would be foolish of me to try to continue to debate this with someone so obstinate. Someone who does not know teh difference between an implication or an inference or when neither term applies.
Good day, sir.
You are right. I meant implied not inferred. Congratulations. And youre also right there wasn’t a 3 year hole in Schianos resume. Everyone wanted him and he chose not to take all of the NFL and NCAA head coaching jobs he was offered. He chose to wait for the best opportunity available. A DC job at OSU over all the head coaching jobs he was offered. See how foolish your logic is. Obstinate! Thats a good one. I present you with facts and you have emotion. But I’m obstinate. Yea I’m done with you too.
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The football program isn't earning a profit just like so many other program. However, when your program is like ground hog day, same day over and over, you may have to consider other options.
I am pretty sure I saw Greg on TV quite a bit during his time away...Between his cash received and what he was getting paid for those spots- I am guessing he was going to be pretty picky. I would have to guess that a number of teams out there reached out and non seemed to be a career positive...So, why rush back?
Sure he had some tv work. But wouldn’t say “quite a bit”. Especially compared to other out of work coaches. Guest appearances agreed. And fill in guest appearances don’t pay all that much comparatively. I also agree no need to rush back. But 3 hiring cycles? The longer anyone in any high level career stays on the sidelines the greater the risk of never getting back in. Greg admitted how quiet that period and alienated he felt at that time in his life. Greg is all intents and purposes a c suite level hire. You don’t see people at that level especially in their prime earning years 40’s staying on the sideline. Also agree with being picky. But you have to admit there is a huge difference between NFL head coach and DC at OSU. That type of pickiness didn’t exist at that time. He was one of the first that went down 3 levels (NFL head coach, NFL DC, D1 head coach). If there were so many offers very few if any were mentioned.
Yep his contract was up and Ryan day decided not to keep him. Maybe as so many on here say, " he was given the talk." Do t know why GS if true would think he would be consider for the HC job after his defense gave up all those points to Maryland and Purdue. OState was 2nd in Team Defense in the Big 10 in 2016( GS was co- DC), in 2017 was he was DC they drop to 4th and in 2018 they drop to 7th with four 1st round draft pick on the defense. Can't say he didn't have the resources at O State
Man, your posts seethe with disdain for Greg. Holy smokes. Seems like Greg's 3 year period was better than 3 year periods before and after he was hired, but you find a way to make him sounds like he sucks for 2 games.
Here's what Grok had to say about the Purdue game: the secondary suffered from inexperience and a lack of leadership after early NFL departures.
The defense committed several costly infractions, such as a roughing-the-kicker call that gifted Purdue a first down and led to a touchdown, and a roughing-the-passer penalty on DE Dre'Mont Jones on third-and-11 that set up another score. These were part of five defensive/special teams penalties that directly aided Purdue's scoring opportunities.
Ohio State Points Per Game:
Pre-Greg:
2012- 22.8
2013- 23.3
2014- 22
Greg:
2016: 15.5
2017- 19
2018-25.5
Post Greg:
2020-25.8
2021- 22.8
2022-21.1
You are correct I will own up to it my post are filled with disdain for GS. I just don't think he is the great coach that some people on here try to make him out to be. He below a below average HC who when all is said and done will have earned probably close to 40 mill here at Rutgers. Nothing against him personally just don't think he is the answer. Before you ask who would come here,I think Bob Cheney and Jason Candle both could do a better job, just my opinion.
1. I don't agree he is a below average HC- he is a great program builder and identifier and developer of talent. Great.
2. I don't think he is a great game day coach- he is very average to below average.
3. I don't care how much he has made; coaches make a lot of money, regardless of whether they are bad or good. I have advocated that coaches should get a "base salary" of around $3-4M with additional money for wins beyond 6 wins. That may never happen, but that is not Greg's fault. It's part of the lunacy of college football contracts.
4. Jason Candle- he was on my list at the end of 2019. But ask yourself this- if he is such a hot commodity, why has he been stuck at Toledo for 10-11 years, and nobody has offered him a job at a P5 school?
5. Bob Cheney- perhaps a good candidate, but would like to see a longer resume at JMU.
6. Reality is Greg is not going anywhere this season or next season, unless the team really regresses badly or there is a scandal due to the buyout. That's the reality. To me, there is no sense in continually sacking the guy and reiterating the same points over and over. No, this is not happiness or complacency with the job he is doing- it is accepting the reality of the situation.
I think other schools were more aggressive than we were in getting OOS and pushing up numbers. Since joining the B1G in particular that changed, and with the spiraling cost of college we've become a more attractive option.
Maybe it's my field but whenever I deal with people from other parts of the country, the % of people who went to their state school, assuming it's a top 100 or so one, is very, very high (for undergrad). Now, I would say RU and Binghamton are also very highly represented in my field too, but you see more Catholic schools and non-Ivy/small prestigious liberal arts represented as well. The culture is just different.
There's a lot of preference across the board and I doubt there will ever be a place where admissions is just looking at raw numbers on a student. I think the issue is where people are focusing on diversity but not these other special programs out there.
Overall RU is probably one of the fairest out there. I don't think they even ask for an essay. They mostly just want a high GPA and SAT.
I don't know them, what are their records, history, ties to the NE? Are we going to competing for them versus schools with more more $$$?
Here's what reaching for the hot commodity at a lower conference can yield. Napier will be fired soon.
Embattled Florida coach Billy Napier could be fired as soon as this weekend
Three people with direct knowledge of situation tell USA TODAY Sports Florida coach Billy Napier could be fired as soon as this weekend.
www.usatoday.com
| Louisiana Ragin' Cajuns (Sun Belt Conference) (2018–2021) | |||||||
| 2018 | Louisiana | 7–7 | 5–3 | T–1st (West) | L Cure | ||
| 2019 | Louisiana | 11–3 | 7–1 | 1st (West) | W LendingTree | ||
| 2020 | Louisiana | 10–1 | 7–1 | 1st (West)[29] | W First Responder | 16 | 15 |
| 2021 | Louisiana | 12–1 | 8–0 | 1st (West) | New Orleans[a] | 18 | 16 |
| Louisiana: | 40–12 | 27–5 | |||||
| Florida Gators (Southeastern Conference) (2022–present) | |||||||
| 2022 | Florida | 6–7 | 3–5 | T–4th (Eastern) | L Las Vegas | ||
| 2023 | Florida | 5–7 | 3–5 | T–4th (Eastern) | |||
| 2024 | Florida | 8–5 | 4–4 | 10th | W Gasparilla | ||
| 2025 | Florida | 2–4 | 1–2 |
This is a fair point, but people would probably counter with Cignetti... Point being, there are examples on both sides of the argument.Here's what reaching for the hot commodity at a lower conference can yield. Napier will be fired soon.
Embattled Florida coach Billy Napier could be fired as soon as this weekend
Three people with direct knowledge of situation tell USA TODAY Sports Florida coach Billy Napier could be fired as soon as this weekend.www.usatoday.com
Louisiana Ragin' Cajuns (Sun Belt Conference) (2018–2021) 2018 Louisiana 7–7 5–3 T–1st (West) L Cure 2019 Louisiana 11–3 7–1 1st (West) W LendingTree 2020 Louisiana 10–1 7–1 1st (West)[29] W First Responder 16 15 2021 Louisiana 12–1 8–0 1st (West) New Orleans[a] 18 16 Louisiana: 40–12 27–5 Florida Gators (Southeastern Conference) (2022–present) 2022 Florida 6–7 3–5 T–4th (Eastern) L Las Vegas 2023 Florida 5–7 3–5 T–4th (Eastern) 2024 Florida 8–5 4–4 10th W Gasparilla 2025 Florida 2–4 1–2
Fair point to you too, but Curt Cignetti is a unicorn. Can someone name a coach that had outstanding success at a lower level and that translated to success at the P4/5?
Luke Fickell? Major bomb.
Hero of the Schiano haters- Lance Leipold
| Wisconsin–Whitewater: | 109–6 | 53–3 |
| Buffalo: | 37–33 | 25–20 |
Year 5 at Kansas:
| Kansas: | 26–31 | 15–25 |
Greg is 29-37//13-35 --really not a huge difference between Leipold and Greg, and Greg was in the B1G East for first several years, a much harder conference than the Big 12.
Speaking of Lance, he got slapped with a fine today:
Chris Peterson? Boise State ---> Washington - Why is he out of coaching...anyone?
I don't necessarily think Schiano needs to go, though while frustrated during games, I've wondered...
Petersen got smart, made his money and got out while the going was good and before it got crazy.
Boise State is a bit of a juggernaut football factory, like Mt Union in Div III, which produced a bunch of MAC coaches like Jason Candle.
But even Petersen was not completely stellar in his first and last years at UW, which is why I said Cignetti is a unicorn. Sure, that run from 2016-18 was stellar, but he was pressured to step down after the 2019 season. The price to pay for being so stellar.
Still trying to think of someone who has done was Cignetti has done (assuming he gets it done this year). There was Mel Tucker at Michigan State for one year, but that faded real fast, and he was run out of town in a scandla.
Plus, Petersen took over a program that was made solid by Sarkisian, who left for USC:
| 2014 | Washington | 8–6 | 4–5 | 3rd (North) | L Cactus | ||
| 2015 | Washington | 7–6 | 4–5 | 4th (North) | W Heart of Dallas | ||
| 2016 | Washington | 12–2 | 8–1 | 1st (North) | L Peach† | 4 | 4 |
| 2017 | Washington | 10–3 | 7–2 | T–1st (North) | L Fiesta† | 15 | 16 |
| 2018 | Washington | 10–4 | 7–2 | T–1st (North) | L Rose† | 13 | 13 |
| 2019 | Washington | 8–5 | 4–5 | T–2nd (North) | W Las Vegas |