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PSU learned that they are not a true blue blood during Franklin as well. When tOSU was picked over them for the BCS - they learned where they really are in the pecking order. They are the TAMU of the BIG.

They benefit the most from the expansion of the playoff. Would be interesting to see if Cignetti were to jump ship. I would expect he would have access to a bigger talent base.
 
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That happened three years after he left Ohio State. It literally couldn't have had anything to do with Greg being fired or, alternatively, leaving because he was offered the Patriots DC job.
You didn’t read the article did you. It clearly stated in that article. He wasn’t retained by Ryan Day. There are plenty of other articles that also state it. But I chose this one. Do a search of your own. Or look at this one.

If his intentions were to go back to the NFL and it was his choice to leave OSU do you really think it would have taken a month between separation from OSU to land there? And why did he only last a month?

“Greg Schiano was hired as the New England Patriots' defensive coordinator in February 2019, but abruptly resigned just over a month later in March”
 
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You didn’t read the article did you. It clearly stated in that article. He wasn’t retained by Ryan Day. There are plenty of other articles that also state it. But I chose this one. Do a search of your own. Or look at this one.

If his intentions were to go back to the NFL and it was his choice to leave OSU do you really think it would have taken a month between separation from OSU to land there? And why did he only last a month?

“Greg Schiano was hired as the New England Patriots' defensive coordinator in February 2019, but abruptly resigned just over a month later in March”
Let's use some common sense. 1) Obviously, OSU preferred Day as HC over everyone else in the nation, including Schiano. I say "Everyone in the Nation" because OSU is a job that can attract ANYONE!
2) Here is the common sense - Day/Schiano shared a title under Meyer. Both would love the HC job. Day got the job - And even if Day thought Schiano may be the best fit to stay as DC...It just couldn't happen. Day just got the promotion over Schiano. Greg may have even shared that he had the NFL job offer. Regardless, once either Day or if the Hired Greg as HC - the other Co-DC was not going to be retained.
3) Promoting Day to HC is no different then if they hired from the outside- very good chance that a HC that takes this job, let's most of the staff go anyway.

There are times that I just shake my head that so many have no freaking clue. And that is not to say that Day would have kept Greg anyway but zero chance both are still coaching at OSU if one of the other was promoted to HC.


Hmmm- wonder why he stayed with NE for only a month? Maybe the head coach job and a shitload of money to come back...
 

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Let's use some common sense. 1) Obviously, OSU preferred Day as HC over everyone else in the nation, including Schiano. I say "Everyone in the Nation" because OSU is a job that can attract ANYONE!
2) Here is the common sense - Day/Schiano shared a title under Meyer. Both would love the HC job. Day got the job - And even if Day thought Schiano may be the best fit to stay as DC...It just couldn't happen. Day just got the promotion over Schiano. Greg may have even shared that he had the NFL job offer. Regardless, once either Day or if the Hired Greg as HC - the other Co-DC was not going to be retained.
3) Promoting Day to HC is no different then if they hired from the outside- very good chance that a HC that takes this job, let's most of the staff go anyway.

There are times that I just shake my head that so many have no freaking clue. And that is not to say that Day would have kept Greg anyway but zero chance both are still coaching at OSU if one of the other was promoted to HC.


Hmmm- wonder why he stayed with NE for only a month? Maybe the head coach job and a shitload of money to come back...
Schiano was not “retained” doesn’t matter how anyone reads into it. There was a split. That’s not debatable. I don’t get the “ Co” reference. Greg and Ryan were not co anything. Ryan was OC and Greg DC. Actually Greg ranked higher on Meyers staff with the Assoc Head Coach title. I said in the earlier post that he found a soft landing in the NFL. After all the announcement of Schiano not being retained was announced over a month after Ryan Day being hired and after signing day etc… So Greg had time to line something up. New England also didn’t announce the hire until after the Super Bowl. Both very common in the profession. What isn’t common is leaving after a month. So by your logic Schiano left a job he had for a job he may get? You know bird in hand. Thats reverse engineering.
 
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"Just a little brains" could lead to a lot of legal fees with respect to collusion
I don’t see why. If any individual schools finally decide to exhibit some fiscal sanity, especially in this era of player compensation I don’t see how that’s collusion. If some schools want to exhibit some common sense and others follow there's no collusion. I'm not even looking to limit salaries. These deals should be structured more smartly, with better financial flexibility and be more manageable should the need arise, pay for annual performance not one hit wonders and be fair to both parties. It's not monopoly money.

It could be the reverse of what I said about FIsher's first A&M deal and its ripple effects. Were schools talking to each other, "let's all give majority/fully guaranteed 7-10 year deals" or just following suit like sheep. It could be especially effective if bigger deeper pocketed schools took that tact.

I saw this idea too and I've always wondered why it's so easy to get out of college contract vs a pro contract. If you were smart/lucky enough to discover the good coach why shouldn't you reap the full benefit instead of losing him when he does well. The biggest thing is also for the decision maker to have the will to say no and keep looking or let a coach go, realizing that most aren't Saban or the hero you think they are. There are qualified candidates out there.

From the article: (may need a sign in)

Kraft had every right to do this. But when he finds his next coach, he should keep on acting like a pro owner and offer an NFL-style contract.
Five years of salary for five years of work.
No buyout.
No escape clause.
If you want to coach Penn State, you commit to Penn State. If you want to leave, you can do so when your contract is up. Until then, you’re under contract.
If Penn State wants you to coach, Penn State pays you to coach. If the school fires you before the five years are up, it still pays you for all five years.
If Penn State and the coach are happy with each other, they can discuss an extension that will kick in starting in Year 6.
If the coach (or his agent) says no, then Penn State should move on to the next candidate.

This is the simplest, most straightforward version of a contract, and it’s the one that makes the most sense. When the Patriots hired Mike Vrabel last year, they did not give him an out to pursue the Rams job if it opens up. Why should Penn State conduct business any differently?

The contract was an extraordinarily expensive marketing tool: Penn State wanted recruits to believe Franklin would stick around. Coaches’ agents have capitalized on this recruiting-based desperation for years.

That made a bit of sense back when transfers had to sit out for a year. But today’s players know they can leave at any time for any reason and play immediately at any school that wants them. They have no reason to fear the coach leaving. If he goes, they can go, too.

Also: If you want recruits to think a coach will stick around, sign him to a contract that requires him to stick around. Don’t let him walk for $2 million.

Changing precedent is hard. Agents will fight it. But this is a chance for Kraft to inject some common sense into the market by showing true confidence in what he is selling.

Kraft sees Penn State as a destination job where the highest aspirations are actually achievable. He should feel that way—and he should be able to find an excellent coach who feels that way, too.

I’m not suggesting that Penn State try to save a few bucks with this hire. The school can and will pay top dollar. But an enormous commitment from the school should include a reciprocal commitment from the coach. If a coach is paid millions to say “We Are Penn State,” he ought to mean it.

 
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You don't know how things work, do you? Ultimately, such a decision is approved by the Board of Goveenors.
That's true but does any board at any school really hold the line or inspect such things or do pretty much all of them just rubber stamp. On some level not much different than a lot of corporate boards in that regard.
 

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Got a long e-mail from The Athletic, and will try to find the embedded link but a couple of funny points:

  • People who have at least $45 million at their disposal just used it to fire the second-most-accomplished coach in school history, who was a 10-2 machine (usually, at least) in a sport where winning double digits is way harder and rarer than Nick Saban made it look. Don't ever tell me rich people are more emotionally stable than regular people.
From here, there is zero guarantee that Penn State's next coach will have as many strengths as Franklin, nor that the next coach's weaknesses will be less exhausting than Franklin's turtled-up game planning, inventive clock management and general nervousness. As fans, we always want our coach to be The Current Guy Minus The Specific Things We Hate About The Current Guy.

That story may be embedded in a bunch of stories linked below and paywalled (sorry):

 

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That's true but does any board at any school really hold the line or inspect such things or do pretty much all of them just rubber stamp. On some level not much different than a lot of corporate boards in that regard.
It was not a secret that Pat was not a big fan of Greg. I doubt he went running to the BOG screaming extend him! Sure, it's possible, but not likely.
 

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It was not a secret that Pat was not a big fan of Greg. I doubt he went running to the BOG screaming extend him! Sure, it's possible, but not likely.
If that's the case that sounds more like the "rogue" board members/regents at UNC that brought Belichick on while going over the head of Cunningham who was looking at guys like Sumrall/Campbell.
 
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Got a long e-mail from The Athletic, and will try to find the embedded link but a couple of funny points:

  • People who have at least $45 million at their disposal just used it to fire the second-most-accomplished coach in school history, who was a 10-2 machine (usually, at least) in a sport where winning double digits is way harder and rarer than Nick Saban made it look. Don't ever tell me rich people are more emotionally stable than regular people.
From here, there is zero guarantee that Penn State's next coach will have as many strengths as Franklin, nor that the next coach's weaknesses will be less exhausting than Franklin's turtled-up game planning, inventive clock management and general nervousness. As fans, we always want our coach to be The Current Guy Minus The Specific Things We Hate About The Current Guy.

That story may be embedded in a bunch of stories linked below and paywalled (sorry):

I agree with all that and I would've kept him on, mainly because of the money.

Take money out of the equation, while it is risky I get the attitude on some level. They want to take that last step and he's been given all the opportunity (12 years) and lots of resources (especially this year) and he hasn't been able to get over that last hump. Tons of high rankings, would have made a 12 team playoff 5-6 times etc..but couldn't take that last step.

In taking the last step, they may very likely trip and slip back a little or more (I think they will), but it's been a long marriage without the ultimate goal being reached. So sometimes its just time if that's what they're desperately wanting.

Take another Pennsylvania situation in the NFL. Andy Reid and the Eagles often made the playoffs and even a Super Bowl but couldn't make that last step and parted ways after a decade of pretty good results. They parted and it was actually a good thing for both parties. Now Andy Reid has won Super Bowls at KC and the Eagles have won Super Bowls as well. Sometimes it's just time. It doesn't mean PSU/Franklin will work out like the NFL situation but I can understand it.
 
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If that's the case that sounds more like the "rogue" board members/regents at UNC that brought Belichick on while going over the head of Cunningham who was looking at guys like Sumrall/Campbell.
There is (or perhaps may be) a lawsuit over that, claiming the hiring did not follow establish practices and thus invalid
 

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I agree with all that and I would've kept him on, mainly because of the money.

Take money out of the equation, while it is risky I get the attitude on some level. They want to take that last step and he's been given all the opportunity (12 years) and lots of resources (especially this year) and he hasn't been able to get over that last hump. Tons of high rankings, would have made a 12 team playoff 5-6 times etc..but couldn't take that last step.

In taking the last step, they may very likely trip and slip back a little or more (I think they will), but it's been a long marriage without the ultimate goal being reached. So sometimes its just time if that's what they're desperately wanting.

Take another Pennsylvania situation in the NFL. Andy Reid and the Eagles often made the playoffs and even a Super Bowl but couldn't make that last step and parted ways after a decade of pretty good results. They parted and it was actually a good thing for both parties. Now Andy Reid has won Super Bowls at KC and the Eagles have won a Super Bowls as well. Sometimes it's just time. It doesn't mean PSU/Franklin will work out like the NFL situation but I can understand it.
None of those words were mine, and I figured that would resonate with you, because it did with me. It's just craziness. It's like the spouse who has the "perfect spouse," and they decide for themselves that they can do better, and they start inventing little things they hate about their current spouse. Reminds me of a great song by Death Cab for Cutie:


But it's like my heart can't be tamed
And I fall in love every day and I feel like a fool
I have to face the truth
That no one could ever look at me like you do
Like I'm something worth holding on to

And there's times I think of leaving
But it's something I'll never do
'Cause you can do better than me
But I can't do better than you
 

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Yeah, so ur kid didn't get into Rutgers, cuz SATs too low and kid did too much bud in HS instead of studying and working. Now you have B1G grievance, and want to blame someone else for ur problems.

Got it.
 

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Yeah, so ur kid didn't get into Rutgers, cuz SATs too low and kid did too much bud in HS instead of studying and working. Now you have B1G grievance, and want to blame someone else for ur problems.

Got it.
To whom are your replying?
 

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PSU learned that they are not a true blue blood during Franklin as well. When tOSU was picked over them for the BCS - they learned where they really are in the pecking order. They are the TAMU of the BIG.

They benefit the most from the expansion of the playoff. Would be interesting to see if Cignetti were to jump ship. I would expect he would have access to a bigger talent base.
They were a blue blood pre-scandal
Right now, they're not

Post scandal, they're a powerhouse, no doubt about that, but absent of a Phil Knight stepping in and giving them unlimited resources, they're now a notch down
 
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a top 25 program should not be out of reach if even 1 out of 3yrs.

it's not about the cult, it's about the fact that we will most likely have not won a single BIG game this year. It's about a defense that will be worse than any under Ash. It's about a failure to yield any upward trajectory.......all of this in year 6

I respect you like him, I respect you think we can't do better, I do not respect the status quo hoping for something to change despite the litany of evidence to the contrary.

I'm going to say 78-0 is much worse than anything now, never mind getting blown out by Buffalo and Kansas.

I am definitely not saying top 25 is out of reach. What I'm saying is that you look at what is going on over there, it's pretty easy to see that there is more to it than complaining about a HC. Even if everyone in the admin wanted GS out, would you want Rhule here? That looks like the best and most realistic option at a school that has Terry Pegula financing them...
 
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Oldest went to RU. Youngest wanted to go for the physician assistant program, but wanted to go to a school where entry to program was guaranteed with a minimum GPA. Rutgers doesn't do that, instead, right on their website it says:

"Commitment to diversity through a holistic admissions process with intensified recruitment efforts to enroll students from traditionally underrepresented communities."

Basically telling my kid, we don't want "your kind" here. Enrolled at a top PA school, crushed a nearly perfect 4.0 GPA and automatically admitted to PA program.

Strike one for Rutgers- we had to shell out $350K in tuition for a private school because dear old Rutgers doesn't want a certain type of person, who is probably much more qualified than many they admit.

Strike two is the uphill battle we fought to establish an endowed scholarship. Been nothing but agony, begging and pleading and constant follow up to get some visibility and help from the foundation. We had planned a fairly large legacy gift to RU, but we will likely give a chunk of that to MSKCC and another chunk to our son's PA school, which has been fantastic.

When I was at Rutgers in the mid-80's never understood how instate kids would get bumped by out of state students on diversity grounds. It's the families of the New Jersey kids that had been supporting Rutgers through taxes! Since then, the cynical me wonders whether RU was just wanting to capture higher out of state tuition, but whatever the reason, doesn't breed loyalty for the family of the instate kid that gets bumped. Saw it more with the specialty, graduate schools than general undergraduate admissions. That was a long time ago, but I guess it still goes on.

When I graduated RU during GS 1.0 the average SAT was 1250 or so. Now it's 1370. The school is now ranked 42, then it was probably in the 60s.

Whatever they are doing, they are doing something right in getting top students to come to RU.

And most public schools don't really emphasize legacy admissions. I am aware of students who got in though because of who they knew or their parents worked at the school.
 
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All these anecdotes point to one thing, a history of underperforming by the Development Office. I think it has actually improved recently, but there is a long history. In addition, for a number of reasons the state residents are mediocre in their support. I'll repeat the joke I've posted before. In Texas a adult walks up to a college age kid and asks:

"Where are you going to school, son?"

Answer. "Harvard"

Response: "Gee, didn't you get into UT-Austin?"

Don't see that in New Jersey.

This probably has a lot more to do with outside of the Northeast there not being a large number of strong private schools like we have and the allegiance to them.

Whereas the striver that is first in his or her family to go to college in either state is looking at the public school, you maybe have a handful of kids in TX looking at Rice and SMU, and then a handful with the ivies. Here, you have the obsession with the Catholic schools, some small private liberal schools varying from impressive ones like Amherst or Wesleyan to really unimpressive small private ones and now more recently the Southern schools having supplanted the former Cult/UDel obsession.
 

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It really shouldn't matter what a person's skin color is, should it? I couldn't care less about the sex, race, gender, skin color, ethnicity breakdown, identity, etc. and IDGAS. Why exclude an eminently qualified applicant because of some identity feature?

The way you're describing this, it was illegal then and certainly now.

If anything, if you look at the numbers at RU, the opposite is happening as Asian Americans make up something like 30% of the school's population and a much lower % of the state population.

As an overall rule I think giving legacy admissions (which I think RU does but not as blatantly obviously as others) is pretty unfair. I'm the first person in my family to graduate from college. I was aware of someone else in my HS who got 200 points less than me on the SAT and who was probably 100 spots in rank that got into NYU because his uncle worked there whereas I and others in my class with similar numbers did not. I don't want that at RU. The advantage that kids of the educated have regardless of their race and income is tremendous. My parents barely knew any white collar people. OTOH, courtesy of my education, my kid could pick any white collar profession I know multiple people in it. I know how to apply to college and grad school. I know people that went to the best ones. I realize that's a privilege and not something the average person does.
 
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When I graduated RU during GS 1.0 the average SAT was 1250 or so. Now it's 1370. The school is now ranked 42, then it was probably in the 60s.

Whatever they are doing, they are doing something right in getting top students to come to RU.

And most public schools don't really emphasize legacy admissions. I am aware of students who got in though because of who they knew or their parents worked at the school.
In the 80's Rutgers was often considered the Berkley of the east, or at least had that amibition. School was ranked in the 40's nationally then too, and far better reputation out of state. Some of the folks in the south when I moved there 40 years ago even considered Rutgers "one of those Ivy League" schools. You have so many schools clustered in the NE -- like Princeton, Pen, Harvard, MIT -- it's hard to get separation, at least locally. Nice to see it returning to what it was. Any idea why it had a drop in the rankings?
 

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Schiano was not “retained” doesn’t matter how anyone reads into it. There was a split. That’s not debatable. I don’t get the “ Co” reference. Greg and Ryan were not co anything. Ryan was OC and Greg DC. Actually Greg ranked higher on Meyers staff with the Assoc Head Coach title. I said in the earlier post that he found a soft landing in the NFL. After all the announcement of Schiano not being retained was announced over a month after Ryan Day being hired and after signing day etc… So Greg had time to line something up. New England also didn’t announce the hire until after the Super Bowl. Both very common in the profession. What isn’t common is leaving after a month. So by your logic Schiano left a job he had for a job he may get? You know bird in hand. Thats reverse engineering.
you are correct, my mistake...not sure why I was thinking it was Day/Schiano - I think it was Schiano/Fickle...Schiano was also very active prior to that in trying to land progress his career. He also had his hat in the HC at OSU when Meyer stepped down. Again- not a match that could survive.

Keep in mind- I was never someone that really wanted him back here
 
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PSU learned that they are not a true blue blood during Franklin as well. When tOSU was picked over them for the BCS - they learned where they really are in the pecking order. They are the TAMU of the BIG.

They benefit the most from the expansion of the playoff. Would be interesting to see if Cignetti were to jump ship. I would expect he would have access to a bigger talent base.
PSU was punished a bit in the 70s and 80s during a time there was still a leftover anti-Eastern football bias in college football. And that came about for the same reason the bowl games were created.. because Eastern football had been unfairly overranked for decades because that is where the newspaper and radio sports media lived.
 
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...by your logic Schiano left a job he had for a job he may get? You know bird in hand. Thats reverse engineering.
Wait.. you do not think that is exactly what happened?

It seemed fairly clear that GS wanted to make himself available when teh Rutgers job opened up. He could have thought that it was worth the risk because he was not going to be in need financially either way. And if he didn't get teh Rutgers job maybe he'd get another HC offer.. or another DC offer somewhere down the line.

GS got the job he wanted, right? He did something right. He did not just luck into it, he planned for it.
 

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Wait.. you do not think that is exactly what happened?

It seemed fairly clear that GS wanted to make himself available when teh Rutgers job opened up. He could have thought that it was worth the risk because he was not going to be in need financially either way. And if he didn't get teh Rutgers job maybe he'd get another HC offer.. or another DC offer somewhere down the line.

GS got the job he wanted, right? He did something right. He did not just luck into it, he planned for it.
Oh I think that’s how he wants it to be viewed. That’s not how people that are head coaches or CEO’s etc. think. They need to be relevant now. Not in 6 months from now. The guy had a hard time getting back in the game. Sat on the sideline for 3 years. Lost a job to public backlash at Tenn (don’t think that was correct) and had to wait for Urban to come calling at what many perceive to be at a lower status(college DC not head coach or NFL DC). He was not on any head coaching radars. Anywhere.
You think he would take the risk that 1) Ash would lose his job in 8months to a year down the road? or 2) That he would be a shoe in? Came very close to him not being a candidate at all.
 

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You don't know how things work, do you? Ultimately, such a decision is approved by the Board of Goveenors.
Do you really think Hobbs did not push forward the Extension for Greg?
Totally undeserved and unwarranted. What program at any level was going to offer this clown HC ?
 

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Did you moderate spelling bees?
No, but you went far beyond a simple spelling mistake. You showed extreme CFB cluelessness, much worse than the common butchering of Leipold and Bielema around here since UM is super-high profile.
 

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Well I guess we know now the real reason Franklin was expelled.
The way Rutgers treats in state applicants especially the sons and daughters of Alumni made him an undesirably part of Jappy Valley.
Seems to be that or the issue the OP of Penn State firing its football coach to how bad Rutgers admission policy is
I say Rutgers shouldn't allow Franklin admission into it's football program and stop complaining about Greg when there's a bigger issue to complain about , like how Rutgers doesn't take care of the sons and daughter of Rutgers alumni
Of courses that's nothing to ignore and a BS move by RU ,but kind of funny how this frankllin got canned thread has been hijacked into Rutgers didn't want my kid even though I graduated from Rutgers.

But it's a legitimate complaint and worth talking about in a football related thread, because the way Rutgers treats its alumni is a big reason Rutgers football doesn't get the type of loyalty and support from RU grads that the Nits get from Penn State grads .
Cry me a river. Best applicants meeting a variety of criteria get in, and being a legacy applicant shouldn’t matter. Admissions practices based on future athletics hopes? Absurd.

I bet you’re not shy about crapping on PSU academics and bragging on RU’s Top50 rank and markedly increased selectivity. Can’t have it both ways.
 
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Oh I think that’s how he wants it to be viewed. That’s not how people that are head coaches or CEO’s etc. think. They need to be relevant now. Not in 6 months from now. The guy had a hard time getting back in the game. Sat on the sideline for 3 years. Lost a job to public backlash at Tenn (don’t think that was correct) and had to wait for Urban to come calling at what many perceive to be at a lower status(college DC not head coach or NFL DC). He was not on any head coaching radars. Anywhere.
You think he would take the risk that 1) Ash would lose his job in 8months to a year down the road? or 2) That he would be a shoe in? Came very close to him not being a candidate at all.
wow.. that is some magical thinking.

3 years? He was still being paid by Tampa Bay. He had kids in the HS and going off to college years. He was "relevant".

Urban Meyer hired him. A top job. Since then many former head coaches have taken high-profile assistant jobs. Chip Kelly, Tressel, etc.. he was relevant.

Tennessee? That's on Tennessee fans.. who duly suffered for years for that boneheaded lasnder campaign. He was already DC at OSU when that happened.. not sure why you chose to change the timeline .. was it to better fit your imagination?

if anything supports your argument it is this sequence:

1) Day named OSU head coach
2) GS not returning (head coaches always want to pick their staff and taking one look at fancy-man Ryan Day tells you he is not a Schiano type.. and he wouldn't want the guy he beat out for the job looking over his shoulder and an easy replacement should Day struggle).
3) His friend Bill Belichick hires him.
4) a month later Schiano decides it is not the job for him.. no one knows why.. it could be familial.. it could be encouragement from someone connected to the Rutgers program.. it could be rumors from other college jobs. But you are right, it is March when he exits NE Pats.. not a lot of jobs have not been filled... maybe that's why he left the Pats.. to give his friend time to find someone else.

Now, Ash is still head coach but there are a lot of unhappy people at Rutgers who wonder why he still has a job. He would start 1-3 and get fired 9/29. And then it eventually took action of people in this board.. well, the Rivals board, to help Schiano get the job. And, despite the bad start this season, Rutgers has benefited from that decision.
 

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wow.. that is some magical thinking.

3 years? He was still being paid by Tampa Bay. He had kids in the HS and going off to college years. He was "relevant".

Urban Meyer hired him. A top job. Since then many former head coaches have taken high-profile assistant jobs. Chip Kelly, Tressel, etc.. he was relevant.

Tennessee? That's on Tennessee fans.. who duly suffered for years for that boneheaded lasnder campaign. He was already DC at OSU when that happened.. not sure why you chose to change the timeline .. was it to better fit your imagination?

if anything supports your argument it is this sequence:

1) Day named OSU head coach
2) GS not returning (head coaches always want to pick their staff and taking one look at fancy-man Ryan Day tells you he is not a Schiano type.. and he wouldn't want the guy he beat out for the job looking over his shoulder and an easy replacement should Day struggle).
3) His friend Bill Belichick hires him.
4) a month later Schiano decides it is not the job for him.. no one knows why.. it could be familial.. it could be encouragement from someone connected to the Rutgers program.. it could be rumors from other college jobs. But you are right, it is March when he exits NE Pats.. not a lot of jobs have not been filled... maybe that's why he left the Pats.. to give his friend time to find someone else.

Now, Ash is still head coach but there are a lot of unhappy people at Rutgers who wonder why he still has a job. He would start 1-3 and get fired 9/29. And then it eventually took action of people in this board.. well, the Rivals board, to help Schiano get the job. And, despite the bad start this season, Rutgers has benefited from that decision.
Not magical it’s reality. Are you debating he was not employed for 3 years? Explain how he was relevant. Are you debating he was not on any lists for head coaching gigs NFL? College? DC NFL? NFL Head coach to college DC after 3 years is not an ideal landing spot for someone that had major options. No matter if it was OSU or not. Yea “since then” not really prior, others have taken college positions but name 1 that sat on the sidelines for 3 years with other options. Major changes happened in the landscape since 2016 both regarding NFL and d1 coaching. Mainly the narrowing of pay discrepancies, portal and NIL. Agreed Tennessee was on them, and said that, but that did not help the Schiano standing when it relates to being a viable option.

Didn’t change the timeline. Just put facts on paper. Wasn’t meant to be chronological. They are all true regardless of what order I wrote them down. Magical thinking is creating scenarios to make it seem that someone would by choice:
1) sit on the sideline with many options
2)Walk away from the highest value DC gig in the NFL to
3) sit and wait for a job that wasn’t open
4)think you are a shoe in to be a candidate
5)think that the job that is not open is yours


that’s magical thinking and part of your imagination not to mention an amazing risk.
 
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MADHAT1

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The notion that JF isn’t a good coach is just plain idiotic

1 Big Ten Championship in 2016
7 New Year's Six bowl games
101-42 overall
64-33 BT
CFP National semi finalist.

at RU this would have led to several parades and bells ringing.
But for the Nit's :"Not Good Enough: and that's the story this thread about.
Anyone who has followed Rutgers knows RU always has been a day late and dollar short of being the type of program that greatness has been part of fan expectation.
From the day Frank Burns and Rutgers entered the big time scene, it's always been : "hope we don't lose to badly"
instead of we're RU and better than you.
Texas A/M and other programs are willing to pay large buyouts with their fans chipping in, Rutgers has the type of fans that want their program to do the same, but expect the school to pay the freight while thewy keep their wallets closed .
Then whine when it's pointed out the money isn't there to do that, but their hand never reaches into pockets to help.
Nothing wrong with that ,to each their own when it comes to giving, but it's wrong to compare the way Rutgers keeps coaches that aren't reaching the expectations of the fanbase with the programs that ave fans willing to invest in making their program the best and removing the obstacles they feel are hindering that effort. no matter the cost
 

MADHAT1

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Just a rumor started , but I wouldn't be surprised if the shoe company was asked their opinion on should he stay or should he go!

>According to Mike Asti of WVU Sports Now, Adidas wanted Penn State to make a coaching change. The apparel juggernaut recently signed a 10-year, $300 million deal with Penn State that will begin in 2026. Adidas has reportedly committed to paying the majority of the nearly $50 million buyout that Franklin has. <

https://www.yardbarker.com/college_...edium=email&mb_edition=20251014&mb_loc=left_r
 

mdk02

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This probably has a lot more to do with outside of the Northeast there not being a large number of strong private schools like we have and the allegiance to them.

Whereas the striver that is first in his or her family to go to college in either state is looking at the public school, you maybe have a handful of kids in TX looking at Rice and SMU, and then a handful with the ivies. Here, you have the obsession with the Catholic schools, some small private liberal schools varying from impressive ones like Amherst or Wesleyan to really unimpressive small private ones and now more recently the Southern schools having supplanted the former Cult/UDel obsession.

Texas also has TCU and, though most on the East Coast are unfamiliar with it, Trinity University of Texas, which is on par with Colgate or Lehigh. But agreed the % is smaller. However the failings of the Development Office for decades after Rutgers became the state university is also very real. The Admissions Office as well. Don't think it still exists, but every student with a Pa. address who scored above a certain level on the Merit exam got a letter from PSU offering a partial scholarship if they went before an application was even filed
 

mdk02

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The way you're describing this, it was illegal then and certainly now.

If anything, if you look at the numbers at RU, the opposite is happening as Asian Americans make up something like 30% of the school's population and a much lower % of the state population.

As an overall rule I think giving legacy admissions (which I think RU does but not as blatantly obviously as others) is pretty unfair. I'm the first person in my family to graduate from college. I was aware of someone else in my HS who got 200 points less than me on the SAT and who was probably 100 spots in rank that got into NYU because his uncle worked there whereas I and others in my class with similar numbers did not. I don't want that at RU. The advantage that kids of the educated have regardless of their race and income is tremendous. My parents barely knew any white collar people. OTOH, courtesy of my education, my kid could pick any white collar profession I know multiple people in it. I know how to apply to college and grad school. I know people that went to the best ones. I realize that's a privilege and not something the average person does.

Children of professors and employees is a different category, and they do get preferred treatment
 

mdk02

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No, but you went far beyond a simple spelling mistake. You showed extreme CFB cluelessness, much worse than the common butchering of Leipold and Bielema around here since UM is super-high profile.

It wasn't my post, which is your mistake
 

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Just a rumor started , but I wouldn't be surprised if the shoe company was asked their opinion on should he stay or should he go!

>According to Mike Asti of WVU Sports Now, Adidas wanted Penn State to make a coaching change. The apparel juggernaut recently signed a 10-year, $300 million deal with Penn State that will begin in 2026. Adidas has reportedly committed to paying the majority of the nearly $50 million buyout that Franklin has. <

https://www.yardbarker.com/college_...edium=email&mb_edition=20251014&mb_loc=left_r
I've seen that rumor and it's all baloney as you'd expect.

 
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rutgersguy2

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In addition to that Andy Reid/Eagles comparison I mentioned above I was reminded of another example in college where it ended up working out.

Mark Richt at UGA was a very good coach, who was 145-51/83-37 over 15 years there. Lots of rankings and very high finishes but he never won a championship or got to a title game. They hired Kirby Smart and he's 110-20/65-12 in his 10 years there, won 2 championships and have finished in the top 10 every year but his first.

There was a plateau and Richt had lots of opportunity (15 years) but couldn't quite make it over the hump. They took a shot and Smart has paid off in spades for them.

It's an expensive risk to take and imo more likely to not work than work (as far as taking the final step) but you never know.
 
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jsol_05

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Depends how you define "big time football"

I think some of our fans define it as being in the top 10 every year. That's unlikely.

I'd define it as being in the middle of the B1G most years, at the bottom or top third here and there. That is likely.
So our goal is middle of the road Big 10, we aren't there. But is middle of the road worth it if we keep operating at a deficit