OT: Franklin Canned!!!

[rutgersguy2]

Not you, but that's just a weak, BS reason to give to fire the guy.

I don't think that's why they fired him but it's a reason why JF couldn't get over the hump and win bigger games more frequently and championships as well. Didn't have the guy who could put the team on his back when needed. Instead they have someone like Allar who make mistakes that cost them games like the semis and Oregon a few weeks ago, let alone put a team on his back.

I think they just feel JF has run his course and he's not the guy to get them over the hump to win a championship. I think there's something to be said to that but given the money owed and the uncertainty of a new hire (could drop from your current high perch), I'd have kept him around for a little longer. I think it's possible they could save 15-25M in the buyout if Franklin gets another job in the next year or 2.

I've mentioned here how PSU kind of went all in this year with resources to bring the band back together for another run after the near miss and paying Knowles 3M/yr for 3 years etc..so I think doing all that and flopping against UCLA and NW probably did him in. It's like we went all in and gave you all this and you can't even beat these guys...you're never gonna get us to the mountain top.

Was listening to a pod and Thamel mentioned if he had to predict he think it'll be a Matt (Campbell or Rhule). Rhule is like best buddies with Kraft their AD. So it would be a matter of do you want to work with your best friend or is it better to keep arms length in professional relationships with close friends to avoid potential awkwardness. I think Campbell would be a solid choice. He reminds me of an Elko as the "under the radar" type of guy but always has his guys fighting and playing hard and has won big games here and there at tough place to win them.

 

[WillieTheSilent]

I have been seeing this discussion about Rutgers football come up every year for the better part of two decades. Why do you think Rutgers has such a tough time getting the fans and a few of the alum "whales" to contribute to the program? Rutgers has a huge alumni base and at least some of them had to have become billionaires or centi millionaires. Why can't Rutgers get the same loyalty from its wealthy alumni and even the rank and file fans? these questions have always perplexed me about Rutgers.

People choose to go to Penn State for football as much as anything else. That is not why all Rutgers alumni chose Rutgers. If they were ardent football fans and would donate large sums to it, they probably went elsewhere.

Add to it that PSU uses its sattelite schools to provide opportunity to those from less advantaged situations where, once you graduate donating to sports is pretty far down the list. Rutgers accepts a lot of people in that situation. not a lot of generational wealth at Rutgers.

No.. if we are going to "get there", it will have to be on leveraging New Jersey area businesses. I do think making game days events and a family atmosphere is the way to go. Generate demand to attend Big Ten football at Rutgers. Keep it wholesome.. make it safe for businesses to support.. and try to boost residents' awareness of what Rutgers does for them.. for the state. You need to create teh feeling that businesses that support Rutgers will get some positive recognition from their customers for doing so. The state gives tax breaks in economic zones.. why not a virtual zone for Rutgers supporters.. somehting, anything that gets the ball going. It has never been more possible to create a winner purely with money. There is money in jersey.. what would it be worth to NJ corps top have a winnning Big Ten football program (and basketball) where they can take their clients and employees to that there is actual demand for? That's what funds winning in many places.. sure the winning came first.. but now the money can drive the winning.

 

[NotInRHouse]

Available:

Bo Pelini
Mark Mangino
Mel Tucker

All coaches with a history of winning.

You are really reaching with your post one day after the guy was fired. Give it time. And besides, Penn State is in a different universe of college football than Rutgers.

No way they are going to hire Pelini (fake scandals) or Tucker (very real ones) and Mangino left KU in a lurch until god on Earth Leapin' Leipold arrived and never built on the great one year they had.

Precisely my point in terms of what we're affording. We're not going to hire someone with scandals so take Fitzgerald out too.

My guess is Cult is going to regret this like Nebraska and Wisconsin regret running winning coaches out of town. I don't see RU making that mistake.

Now if the argument is that RU has losing seasons this year and next it's different. But thankfully I don't see that being likely.

 

[newell138]

Very true. He had all the advantages in the world to make PSU a national champion. He just isn't a good coach.

There are dozens of coaches who have the same advantages and have not won. I think PSU ends up regretting this decision in the long run. If I am Franklin I go coach at a local HS and make them pay every cent.

 

[Knight Shift]

I don't think that's why they fired him but it's a reason why JF couldn't get over the hump and win bigger games more frequently and championships as well. Didn't have the guy who could put the team on his back when needed. Instead they have someone like Allar who make mistakes that cost them games like the semis and Oregon a few weeks ago, let alone put a team on his back.

I think they just feel JF has run his course and he's not the guy to get them over the hump to win a championship. I think there's something to be said to that but given the money owed and the uncertainty of a new hire (could drop from your current high perch), I'd have kept him around for a little longer. I think it's possible they could save 15-25M in the buyout if Franklin gets another job in the next year or 2.

I've mentioned here how PSU kind of went all in this year with resources to bring the band back together for another run after the near miss and paying Knowles 3M/yr for 3 years etc..so I think doing all that and flopping against UCLA and NW probably did him in. It's like we went all in and gave you all this and you can't even beat these guys...you're never gonna get us to the mountain top.

Was listening to a pod and Thamel mentioned if he had to predict he think it'll be a Matt (Campbell or Rhule). Rhule is like best buddies with Kraft their AD. So it would be a matter of do you want to work with your best friend or is it better to keep arms length in professional relationships with close friends to avoid potential awkwardness. I think Campbell would be a solid choice. He reminds me of an Elko as the "under the radar" type of guy but always has his guys fighting and playing hard and has won big games here and there at tough place to win them.

Wasn't the OC some wunderkid that left Leipold and Kansas? Shouldn't he have been fired first?
Again, show me a B1G program that is a QB factory. As mentioned, Harbaugh produced exactly one stud QB in his years at Michigan. It's not as easy as it sounds.

 

[newell138]

I think only 4 will be considered: Matt Rhule, Cignetti, Saban or Myers

You don't fire Franklin for Matt Rhule. Saban isn't coming back. I'd be shocked if Cignetti leaves Indy, he could be a god there, already exceeded their wildest expectations. PSU expectations are not realistic based on Franklin's fate.

 

[RUTGERS95]

He wasn't fired by Ohio State. If people think Ohio State wouldn't have been title contenders with Schiano at defensive coordinator for the last 7 years, they are nuts.

well the Defense did go backwards under his stewardship and the fans did not like him. I would argue they do not win with him at D coordinator. His D gave up too many yards and elite comp would have beat his D

 

[RUTGERS95]

And I believe he was replaced by hafley for a season from what I remember and the defense improved….i could be wrong here

you are correct

 

[rutgersguy2]

Wasn't the OC some wunderkid that left Leipold and Kansas? Shouldn't he have been fired first?
Again, show me a B1G program that is a QB factory. As mentioned, Harbaugh produced exactly one stud QB in his years at Michigan. It's not as easy as it sounds.

OSU would be the one that has cranked out some good qbs, I couldn't say that others have. Maybe if you reach all the way back to Joe Tiller days at Purdue and before...the whole cradle of quarterbacks thing. I think that's part of why it's taken the B10 awhile to win NCs other than OSU. As far as cranking out playmaking qbs, I think USC, Washington, Oregon can change that in the future...see Nix, Gabriel, Moore at Oregon already.

See what DeBoer and Grubb have done in their careers. Jake Haener, Michael Penix and this year with Ty Simpson. Something like that or maybe lesser is what you might expect from a PSU but it never materialized. TEs, RBs yea...qbs not so much. JF didn't need to crank them out but over 12 years you'd think he'd have gotten 1 or 2.

Kotelnicki was the OC from Kansas they hired and it hasn't worked this year. I like the eye candy and motions he like to use at Kansas but does PSU do that so often? They improved their lack of big plays last year but I can't say they have done that this year. Kotelnicki's offense might work better with a more mobile qb, although Allar was decently mobile. If it stopped working with Kotelnicki and it didn't work with Yurcich then you also have to start looking higher.

 

[RUTGERS95]

Sure looks like an egregious waste of money. Playoffs last year, 7 New Year Day Bowl games, blah, blah, and that's not good enough for those inbreds? Sure has a Bo Pelini/Nebraska feel to it. Expectations for the new guy will be sky high. Would love to see them strike out on their top choices, end taking someone like Fran Brown, and watch the Fruit crying in misery. Either way doesn't effect Rutgers, because PSU will always outspend RU for players, no matter who is there coach. Equal chance they end up with someone worse. Their initial mistake was dishing out an undeserved long term contract to him -- much like Hobbs' extension of Schiano.

this is modern football and I don't like it. the reality is that he delivered a lot, just not a championship. RU fans would build a statue for him if he did that here

 

[rutgersguy2]

well the Defense did go backwards under his stewardship and the fans did not like him. I would argue they do not win with him at D coordinator. His D gave up too many yards and elite comp would have beat his D

I don't remember all the stats but I think some years were fine and others maybe a little less. The only thing that sticks out in my memory for at least 1 of the years, if not more, was they had a tendency to give up explosives.

 

[RUTGERS95]

Rutgers doesn't have any of those? Rutgers being one of the largest schools in the country hasn't produced and few Billionaires or Centi-millionaires? I cannot believe that. If there are wealthy Rutgers grands who have made bank but do not give to the school or athletic programs is on the school. Of course an active self motivated Billionaire is best for this type of situation the school and the rank and file fans need to step up more as well.

we have boatloads of uber wealthy alums but the school never built familial ties. Rutgers actually goes out of it's way to NOT have generational ties. Imagine a school telling alumni kids that being alumni counts for nothing on the application. I find that remarkable. Liberal ideology has an infested common sense approach to maximizing donor and alumni families. That's just the reality of it. There have been so many missed opportunities with reach outs because the persons in the positions to do so were so unqualified and ridiculous in their approach that the response becomes, 'lol' literally

I mean look at who was running the athletic department at the sub senior and middle levels. Would anyone here really hire, much less trust some of those people, to run things for them in their business, franchise, ops? Nice doesn't mean good

Great example on that generational thing. Every single person I went to Rutgers with save 4 persons, is sending their kids to other schools and supporting athetics there. Some of those schools are ALREADY TARGETING SIBLINGS AND FAMILIES INCLUSION. Some of things they do is great, smart, well thought out. Why does Rutgers not do this and miss out on even the ancillary funding?????? My son is a great example, he was never going to Rutgers, just had zero interest there but if he did, Rutgers gets the 5k athletic contribution I gave to his school this year(and the next 3 after this) in his name.

If Rutgers emphasized building familial ties, this changes

academically, Rutgers should be THE destination school for kids in state

we need the head start programs the like to tie families in. but nope, NJ not doing it

I have been seeing this discussion about Rutgers football come up every year for the better part of two decades. Why do you think Rutgers has such a tough time getting the fans and a few of the alum "whales" to contribute to the program? Rutgers has a huge alumni base and at least some of them had to have become billionaires or centi millionaires. Why can't Rutgers get the same loyalty from its wealthy alumni and even the rank and file fans? these questions have always perplexed me about Rutgers.

see above for just the tip.

 

[mdk02]

I don't think that's why they fired him but it's a reason why JF couldn't get over the hump and win bigger games more frequently and championships as well. Didn't have the guy who could put the team on his back when needed. Instead they have someone like Allar who make mistakes that cost them games like the semis and Oregon a few weeks ago, let alone put a team on his back.

I think they just feel JF has run his course and he's not the guy to get them over the hump to win a championship. I think there's something to be said to that but given the money owed and the uncertainty of a new hire (could drop from your current high perch), I'd have kept him around for a little longer. I think it's possible they could save 15-25M in the buyout if Franklin gets another job in the next year or 2.

I've mentioned here how PSU kind of went all in this year with resources to bring the band back together for another run after the near miss and paying Knowles 3M/yr for 3 years etc..so I think doing all that and flopping against UCLA and NW probably did him in. It's like we went all in and gave you all this and you can't even beat these guys...you're never gonna get us to the mountain top.

Was listening to a pod and Thamel mentioned if he had to predict he think it'll be a Matt (Campbell or Rhule). Rhule is like best buddies with Kraft their AD. So it would be a matter of do you want to work with your best friend or is it better to keep arms length in professional relationships with close friends to avoid potential awkwardness. I think Campbell would be a solid choice. He reminds me of an Elko as the "under the radar" type of guy but always has his guys fighting and playing hard and has won big games here and there at tough place to win them.

I think you mean they didn't have a QB who could put the team on his back. Plenty of excellent players at other positions

 

[RUTGERS95]

For the Fire GS crowd, you have to wonder

The best the Cult seems to be able to get is Rhule- unlikely Cigentti would go there and some of the other names like Saban and Meyer are hilarious.

So who are we going to get here?

I guess that doesn't matter?

a top 25 program should not be out of reach if even 1 out of 3yrs.

it's not about the cult, it's about the fact that we will most likely have not won a single BIG game this year. It's about a defense that will be worse than any under Ash. It's about a failure to yield any upward trajectory.......all of this in year 6

I respect you like him, I respect you think we can't do better, I do not respect the status quo hoping for something to change despite the litany of evidence to the contrary.

 

[WillieTheSilent]

we have boatloads of uber wealthy alums but the school never built familial ties. Rutgers actually goes out of it's way to NOT have generational ties. Imagine a school telling alumni kids that being alumni counts for nothing on the application. I find that remarkable. Liberal ideology has an infested common sense approach to maximizing donor and alumni families. ...

Hmmm.. just guessing.. but I wonder WHY that happened. WHO.. or what type of person makes that decision? Is it the same type that attacked the fraternities? Seems to me that this was not just a mistake.. rejection of alumni families.. but a choice with a purpose to remove influence of past generations of Rutgers alums.

Rutgers also lost some status from the time it used to play Princeton every year. I think alumns that make it good want their children to do better than they did.. go to ivies etc.. schools with some cachet.. perhaps because they kids they go to school with at private schools don't want to choose Rutgers when they can get into an ivy type or whatever teh "hot" schools is. Add in the Rutgers Screw we all felt in one way or another... the destruction of the identity of the "colleges".. it should be easy to see the successful end up supporting their kids school rather than their own.

They don't even get the "state pride" advantage. Hypothetitcal alum of.. oh.. Iowa.. grew up in Iowa.. who makes it big in New York or California or Chicago.. his kids go to Princeton.. he still has pride being an Iowan. Probably still watches Iowa football and basketball. His brothers and sisters and parents still have Iowa pride. Donating to Iowa and its athletics could very well still be a thing for him. New Jersey and Rutgers just doesn't have that.

It could, I suppose. But the state is run so poorly residents resent it. The media attacks Rutgers every chance it gets, telling residents Rutgers wastes their money.. steals from them to lose in football.. it is a fantasy but people buy it because the politicians rob from them daily. residents with money have ties elswhere.. out of state schools their kids go to.. where they went. Even at its origin over 250 years ago, Rutgers was not the state college of New Jersey.. of the elite.. that was Princeton.. and, of course, Penn and Columbia and Cornell and other ivies you could get to by boat.. as most travel was done then.

Rutgers has a unique history and poses unique problems in pursuit of big time football. No other eastern state school has overcome similar issues. It is remarkable, really, that Rutgers has gotten this far.

 

[DHajekRC1984]

I think only 4 will be considered: Matt Rhule, Cignetti, Saban or Myers

You did get the sarcasm. Right?

 

[kupuna133]

He wasn't fired by Ohio State. If people think Ohio State wouldn't have been title contenders with Schiano at defensive coordinator for the last 7 years, they are nuts.

Semantics regarding the ending of Schianos tenure at OSU. He wasn’t retained by Ryan Day. He was offered a chance at a soft landing in New England. But left there before coaching.

 

[AntiG]

Schiano should hire Franklin as AHC and lead recruiter

 

[RU#1fan]

Sure looks like an egregious waste of money. Playoffs last year, 7 New Year Day Bowl games, blah, blah, and that's not good enough for those inbreds? Sure has a Bo Pelini/Nebraska feel to it. Expectations for the new guy will be sky high. Would love to see them strike out on their top choices, end taking someone like Fran Brown, and watch the Fruit crying in misery. Either way doesn't effect Rutgers, because PSU will always outspend RU for players, no matter who is there coach. Equal chance they end up with someone worse. Their initial mistake was dishing out an undeserved long term contract to him -- much like Hobbs' extension of Schiano.

Hobbs : The Gift that keeps giving.

 

[DHajekRC1984]

we have boatloads of uber wealthy alums but the school never built familial ties. Rutgers actually goes out of it's way to NOT have generational ties. Imagine a school telling alumni kids that being alumni counts for nothing on the application. I find that remarkable. Liberal ideology has an infested common sense approach to maximizing donor and alumni families. That's just the reality of it. There have been so many missed opportunities with reach outs because the persons in the positions to do so were so unqualified and ridiculous in their approach that the response becomes, 'lol' literally

I mean look at who was running the athletic department at the sub senior and middle levels. Would anyone here really hire, much less trust some of those people, to run things for them in their business, franchise, ops? Nice doesn't mean good

Great example on that generational thing. Every single person I went to Rutgers with save 4 persons, is sending their kids to other schools and supporting athetics there. Some of those schools are ALREADY TARGETING SIBLINGS AND FAMILIES INCLUSION. Some of things they do is great, smart, well thought out. Why does Rutgers not do this and miss out on even the ancillary funding?????? My son is a great example, he was never going to Rutgers, just had zero interest there but if he did, Rutgers gets the 5k athletic contribution I gave to his school this year(and the next 3 after this) in his name.

If Rutgers emphasized building familial ties, this changes

academically, Rutgers should be THE destination school for kids in state

we need the head start programs the like to tie families in. but nope, NJ not doing it

see above for just the tip.

I have posted my personal example multiple times over multiple threads discussing such.

In the last year I made 2 separate proposals worth 6 figures to Rutgers athletics.it was a very favorable deal to RU. I must have sent 2 dozen emails and had a dozen follow up calls ( 95% of them coming from me to them to follow up).,

I guess Sean Tucker was too busy working on his exit plan and I just gave up and then also threw the legacy will consideration in the toilet too.
Apparently they were only interested in bigger and faster hand outs and didn't have any interest in putting in much work to even have the discussion, harvest the support I was offering and building the relationship that would yield a even bigger payday down the road.Their loss.

(KnightShift knows I'm not BSing here).

 

[DHajekRC1984]

Hmmm.. just guessing.. but I wonder WHY that happened. WHO.. or what type of person makes that decision? Is it the same type that attacked the fraternities? Seems to me that this was not just a mistake.. rejection of alumni families.. but a choice with a purpose to remove influence of past generations of Rutgers alums.

Rutgers also lost some status from the time it used to play Princeton every year. I think alumns that make it good want their children to do better than they did.. go to ivies etc.. schools with some cachet.. perhaps because they kids they go to school with at private schools don't want to choose Rutgers when they can get into an ivy type or whatever teh "hot" schools is. Add in the Rutgers Screw we all felt in one way or another... the destruction of the identity of the "colleges".. it should be easy to see the successful end up supporting their kids school rather than their own.

They don't even get the "state pride" advantage. Hypothetitcal alum of.. oh.. Iowa.. grew up in Iowa.. who makes it big in New York or California or Chicago.. his kids go to Princeton.. he still has pride being an Iowan. Probably still watches Iowa football and basketball. His brothers and sisters and parents still have Iowa pride. Donating to Iowa and its athletics could very well still be a thing for him. New Jersey and Rutgers just doesn't have that.

It could, I suppose. But the state is run so poorly residents resent it. The media attacks Rutgers every chance it gets, telling residents Rutgers wastes their money.. steals from them to lose in football.. it is a fantasy but people buy it because the politicians rob from them daily. residents with money have ties elswhere.. out of state schools their kids go to.. where they went. Even at its origin over 250 years ago, Rutgers was not the state college of New Jersey.. of the elite.. that was Princeton.. and, of course, Penn and Columbia and Cornell and other ivies you could get to by boat.. as most travel was done then.

Rutgers has a unique history and poses unique problems in pursuit of big time football. No other eastern state school has overcome similar issues. It is remarkable, really, that Rutgers has gotten this far.

How stupid is it to alienate the older folks who probably have some cash, will be passing on estates. And who have been the most loyal generation of fans given what we've been thru.

 

[kupuna133]

we have boatloads of uber wealthy alums but the school never built familial ties. Rutgers actually goes out of it's way to NOT have generational ties. Imagine a school telling alumni kids that being alumni counts for nothing on the application. I find that remarkable. Liberal ideology has an infested common sense approach to maximizing donor and alumni families. That's just the reality of it. There have been so many missed opportunities with reach outs because the persons in the positions to do so were so unqualified and ridiculous in their approach that the response becomes, 'lol' literally

I mean look at who was running the athletic department at the sub senior and middle levels. Would anyone here really hire, much less trust some of those people, to run things for them in their business, franchise, ops? Nice doesn't mean good

Great example on that generational thing. Every single person I went to Rutgers with save 4 persons, is sending their kids to other schools and supporting athetics there. Some of those schools are ALREADY TARGETING SIBLINGS AND FAMILIES INCLUSION. Some of things they do is great, smart, well thought out. Why does Rutgers not do this and miss out on even the ancillary funding?????? My son is a great example, he was never going to Rutgers, just had zero interest there but if he did, Rutgers gets the 5k athletic contribution I gave to his school this year(and the next 3 after this) in his name.

If Rutgers emphasized building familial ties, this changes

academically, Rutgers should be THE destination school for kids in state

we need the head start programs the like to tie families in. but nope, NJ not doing it

see above for just the tip.

Told the story multiple times regarding raising funds for the foundation and Athletic department early 2000s amongst NYC alumni. Foundation and Athletic department didn’t follow up and left considerable commitments on the table. Many with corporate matches. Was fielding calls for months from people wondering why their pledges and commitments weren’t followed up and why the initial checks they wrote to open the accounts weren’t cashed.

 

[Shelby65]

I think only 4 will be considered: Matt Rhule, Cignetti, Saban or Myers

Who’s Myers ? Chris ? Mike ?

 

[RUTGERS95]

Told the story multiple times regarding raising funds for the foundation and Athletic department early 2000s amongst NYC alumni. Foundation and Athletic department didn’t follow up and left considerable commitments on the table. Many with corporate matches. Was fielding calls for months from people wondering why their pledges and commitments weren’t followed up and why the initial checks they wrote to open the accounts weren’t cashed.

oh I know what a shyytshow it was and still is

I really hope the 2 can fix all of this

 

[RUTGERS95]

I have posted my persinal example multiple times over multiple threads discussing such.

In the last year I made 2 separate proposals worth 6 figures to Rutgers athletics.it was a very favorable deal to RU. I must have sent 2 dozen emails and had a dozen follow up calls ( 95% of them coming from me to them to follow up).,

I guess Sean Tucker was too busy working on his exit plan and I just gave up and then also threw the legacy will consideration in the toilet too.
Apparently they were only interested in bigger and faster hand outs and didn't have any interest in putting in much work to even have the discussion, harvest the support I was offering and building the relationship that would yield a even bigger payday down the road.Their loss.

(KnightShift knows I'm not BSing here).

I believe you

hopefully that changes

 

[Knight Shift]

Hobbs : The Gift that keeps giving.

That's cute, but it was probably more about the uber donors and Amy Towers than Hobbs.

 

[Knight Shift]

Told the story multiple times regarding raising funds for the foundation and Athletic department early 2000s amongst NYC alumni. Foundation and Athletic department didn’t follow up and left considerable commitments on the table. Many with corporate matches. Was fielding calls for months from people wondering why their pledges and commitments weren’t followed up and why the initial checks they wrote to open the accounts weren’t cashed.

Oldest went to RU. Youngest wanted to go for the physician assistant program, but wanted to go to a school where entry to program was guaranteed with a minimum GPA. Rutgers doesn't do that, instead, right on their website it says:

"Commitment to diversity through a holistic admissions process with intensified recruitment efforts to enroll students from traditionally underrepresented communities."

Basically telling my kid, we don't want "your kind" here. Enrolled at a top PA school, crushed a nearly perfect 4.0 GPA and automatically admitted to PA program.

Strike one for Rutgers- we had to shell out $350K in tuition for a private school because dear old Rutgers doesn't want a certain type of person, who is probably much more qualified than many they admit.

Strike two is the uphill battle we fought to establish an endowed scholarship. Been nothing but agony, begging and pleading and constant follow up to get some visibility and help from the foundation. We had planned a fairly large legacy gift to RU, but we will likely give a chunk of that to MSKCC and another chunk to our son's PA school, which has been fantastic.

 

[kupuna133]

Oldest went to RU. Youngest wanted to go for the physician assistant program, but wanted to go to a school where entry to program was guaranteed with a minimum GPA. Rutgers doesn't do that, instead, right on their website it says:

"Commitment to diversity through a holistic admissions process with intensified recruitment efforts to enroll students from traditionally underrepresented communities."

Basically telling my kid, we don't want "your kind" here. Enrolled at a top PA school, crushed a nearly perfect 4.0 GPA and automatically admitted to PA program.

Strike one for Rutgers- we had to shell out $350K in tuition for a private school because dear old Rutgers doesn't want a certain type of person, who is probably much more qualified than many they admit.

Strike two is the uphill battle we fought to establish an endowed scholarship. Been nothing but agony, begging and pleading and constant follow up to get some visibility and help from the foundation. We had planned a fairly large legacy gift to RU, but we will likely give a chunk of that to MSKCC and another chunk to our son's PA school, which has been fantastic.

Yea I had to move away from getting involved to closely after that experience. Was embarrassed personally and professionally. Not a good look for someone establishing a network in NYC

 

[MADHAT1]

I think only 4 will be considered: Matt Rhule, Cignetti, Saban or Myers

Don;t count out the Vanderbilt HC Clark Lea as a dark-horse if Penn State can't get their top choices, which is hard to comprehend seeing the support Nit football gets from the administration and fanbase
Urban might drool, but he won't be the top choice but a solid #3 if he applies.
I'd say the job is Cignetti's if he wants it then Rhule would be Kraft's 2nd option in my opinion
My long shot would be Joe Brady , Buffalo Bill's OC, he was a grad assistant at PSU in 2015-16
and is considered a great offensive mind , But lack of HC experience probably keeps him out of the hunt.

 

[MADHAT1]

Do t think they would even consider him for DC

Unless they top his salary Greg would be foolish to go there as anything less than HC and there's no way the Nits would shell out the type of buyout money they did to bring in someone who had less success playing top programs than Franklin did.
But I guees its nice to see Greg being mentioned as a candidate> "Real or Memorex"

 

[DJ Spanky]

Imagine a school telling alumni kids that being alumni counts for nothing on the application.

I was beyond shocked when we found that out about Rutgers.

 

[Steve91562]

Oldest went to RU. Youngest wanted to go for the physician assistant program, but wanted to go to a school where entry to program was guaranteed with a minimum GPA. Rutgers doesn't do that, instead, right on their website it says:

"Commitment to diversity through a holistic admissions process with intensified recruitment efforts to enroll students from traditionally underrepresented communities."

Basically telling my kid, we don't want "your kind" here. Enrolled at a top PA school, crushed a nearly perfect 4.0 GPA and automatically admitted to PA program.

Strike one for Rutgers- we had to shell out $350K in tuition for a private school because dear old Rutgers doesn't want a certain type of person, who is probably much more qualified than many they admit.

Strike two is the uphill battle we fought to establish an endowed scholarship. Been nothing but agony, begging and pleading and constant follow up to get some visibility and help from the foundation. We had planned a fairly large legacy gift to RU, but we will likely give a chunk of that to MSKCC and another chunk to our son's PA school, which has been fantastic.

When I was at Rutgers in the mid-80's never understood how instate kids would get bumped by out of state students on diversity grounds. It's the families of the New Jersey kids that had been supporting Rutgers through taxes! Since then, the cynical me wonders whether RU was just wanting to capture higher out of state tuition, but whatever the reason, doesn't breed loyalty for the family of the instate kid that gets bumped. Saw it more with the specialty, graduate schools than general undergraduate admissions. That was a long time ago, but I guess it still goes on.

 

[Knight Shift]

When I was at Rutgers in the mid-80's never understood how instate kids would get bumped by out of state students on diversity grounds. It's the families of the New Jersey kids that had been supporting Rutgers through taxes! Since then, the cynical me wonders whether RU was just wanting to capture higher out of state tuition, but whatever the reason, doesn't breed loyalty for the family of the instate kid that gets bumped. Saw it more with the specialty, graduate schools than general undergraduate admissions. That was a long time ago, but I guess it still goes on.

Yup- they lost a large 6 figure donation, that could have potentially reached 7 figures. We are done with RU giving.

 

[RUTGERS95]

I was beyond shocked when we found that out about Rutgers.

absolutely absurd

 

[Jtung230]

Oldest went to RU. Youngest wanted to go for the physician assistant program, but wanted to go to a school where entry to program was guaranteed with a minimum GPA. Rutgers doesn't do that, instead, right on their website it says:

"Commitment to diversity through a holistic admissions process with intensified recruitment efforts to enroll students from traditionally underrepresented communities."

Basically telling my kid, we don't want "your kind" here. Enrolled at a top PA school, crushed a nearly perfect 4.0 GPA and automatically admitted to PA program.

Strike one for Rutgers- we had to shell out $350K in tuition for a private school because dear old Rutgers doesn't want a certain type of person, who is probably much more qualified than many they admit.

Strike two is the uphill battle we fought to establish an endowed scholarship. Been nothing but agony, begging and pleading and constant follow up to get some visibility and help from the foundation. We had planned a fairly large legacy gift to RU, but we will likely give a chunk of that to MSKCC and another chunk to our son's PA school, which has been fantastic.

Where does it say that they don’t want your kind? I’m sure he can get in with a 4.0 GPA.

 

[Steve91562]

Yup- they lost a large 6 figure donation, that could have potentially reached 7 figures. We are done with RU giving.

Sometimes Rutgers is its' own worst enemy.

 

[Knight Shift]

Where does it say that they don’t want your kind? I’m sure he can get in with a 4.0 GPA.

"intensified recruitment efforts to enroll students from traditionally underrepresented communities."

Pretty clear. And there was no program to get a guaranteed spot from undergrad to the Master's program with a minimum GPA. Their loss on multiple levels.

 

[Jtung230]

"intensified recruitment efforts to enroll students from traditionally underrepresented communities."

Pretty clear. And there was no program to get a guaranteed spot from undergrad to the Master's program with a minimum GPA. Their loss on multiple levels.

Is it? I’m assuming you are white. How many kids in the PA school are white or it is non-whites only?

 

[rutgersguy2]

That's cute, but it was probably more about the uber donors and Amy Towers than Hobbs.

Could be but whomever it was don't assume it's not the schools who will foot a big percentage of these bills if they come due. Someone brought up Pegula paid JF's buyout. Maybe but who knows. Fisher's buyout was probably booster funded but that doesn't mean it happens everywhere like that. Remember Tucker's 95M wasn't majority funded by Ishbia...it was 14M out of the 95M. If it wasn't for the for cause issue the popped, MSU would've been on the hook more than any donor. Like I said too much OPM.

There's a reason to pay attention to what other schools do because most admins are sheep and don't take a step back and think is this right for my school and our circumstances. Once Fisher got that crazy first deal at A&M, there was a ripple effect and a trickle down effect where everyone felt they had to do the same thing, including those who could least afford it. Why?

No one bothers to think was that a smart thing to do, should we follow suit. Nope they just are lemmings who will follow each other of financial cliffs without thinking and then leave and don't face any consequences for it. It's part of why you can't just ignore what happens elsewhere thinking it has nothing to do with you because eventually it can come around to you and your admins/people in charge are likely going to be no different. The one who stands against tide going over the cliff is a unicorn lol.

I'm hoping the coaching contract "tulip" bubble has finally burst. For the first time, the things I've been railing about for years and offering suggestions to have slipped into CFB media and their articles/talking points. No one thought about years down the line if things awry and having manageable escape hatches. Those are things that you have to think about before you enter deal, not after. Don't be held hostage, if someone wants to go then let them and try again. More than likely you haven't lost a Saban.

Hopefully, now that it's in the CFB media it'll seep into the conscious of decision makers/admins. You have the pressure point of revenue sharing and player compensation to boot. So you'd think people would smarten up but I might be too optimistic in thinking that lol.

 

[mdk02]

All these anecdotes point to one thing, a history of underperforming by the Development Office. I think it has actually improved recently, but there is a long history. In addition, for a number of reasons the state residents are mediocre in their support. I'll repeat the joke I've posted before. In Texas a adult walks up to a college age kid and asks:

"Where are you going to school, son?"

Answer. "Harvard"

Response: "Gee, didn't you get into UT-Austin?"

Don't see that in New Jersey.